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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:17 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

The book of Hebrews is NOT a "transitional" book for another set of people in another dispensation period!

This commentary by 18th theologian John Gill.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/co...ion-of-the-bible/hebrews-1-2.html

Hebrews 1:2

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son
This is the Gospel revelation, or the revelation in the Gospel dispensation; which though it comes from the same author the other does, yet in many things differs from it, and is preferable to it; and indeed the general design of this epistle is to show the superior excellency of the one to the other; the former was delivered out in time past, but this "in these last days"; the Alexandrian copy, the Complutensian edition, and several other copies, read, "in the last of these days": perfectly agreeable to the phrase (Mymyh tyrxab) , used in ( Genesis 49:1 ) ( Numbers 24:14 ) ( Isaiah 2:2 ) to which the apostle refers, and in which places the days of the Messiah are intended; and it is a rule with the Jews F13, that wherever the phrase, "the last days", is mentioned, the days of the Messiah are designed: and they are to be understood not of the last days of the natural world, but of, the Jewish world and state; indeed the times of the Messiah, or Gospel dispensation, may be called the last days of the natural world, according to the tradition of the house of Elias; which teaches, that the duration of the world will be six thousand years, and divides it into three parts, the last of which is assigned to the Messiah, thus; two thousand years void, (or without the law,) two thousand years the law, and two thousand years the days of the Messiah F14: but it is best to understand this of the last days of the Mosaic economy, or Jewish dispensation; for the Messiah was to come before the Jewish civil and church states were dissolved; before the sceptre departed from Judah, and before the second temple was destroyed; and he was to come at the end, or toward the close of both these states; and which is called the end, or ends of the world, ( Habakkuk 2:3 ) ( Hebrews 9:26 ) ( 1 Corinthians 10:11 ) and quickly after Jesus, the true Messiah was come, an end was put to both these: from whence it may be observed, that the Messiah must be come; that the Mosaic economy, and Jewish worship, will never be restored again; that the Gospel revelation being made in the last days, ought to be regarded the more, it being the last revelation God will ever make. Moreover, this differs from the former in this respect, that was made to the fathers, this "to us"; meaning either the apostles in particular, or the Jews in general, to whom the apostle is writing: this shows that the Gospel revelation was first made to the Jews; and it being made to them personally, they were under great obligation to regard it; and that God had not cast off his people; and that though he had greatly indulged their fathers, he had showed greater favour to them, having provided some better thing for them: and there is a difference between these two revelations in the manner in which they were made; the former was at sundry times, and in divers manners, the latter was made at once, and in one way; that was delivered out in parts, and by piece meal, this the whole together; the whole mind and will of God, all his counsel, all that Christ heard of the Father; it is the faith that was once, and at once, delivered to the saints; and it has been given out in one way, by the preaching of the word: to which may be added, that formerly God spoke by many persons, by the prophets, but now by one only, "by his Son"; who is so not by creation, nor by adoption, nor by office, but by nature; being his own Son, his proper Son, begotten of him, of the same nature with him, and equal to him; and so infinitely preferable to the prophets: he is a Son, and not a servant, in whom the Father is, and he in the Father, and in whom the Spirit is without measure; and God is said to speak by him, or in him, because he was now incarnate; and what he says from God should be attended to, both on account of the dignity of his person, as the Son of God, and because of the authority he came with as Mediator: whom he hath appointed heir of all things; which must be understood of him not as God, and Creator; for as such he has a right to all things; all that the Father has are his; the kingdom of nature and providence belongs to him, he being the Former and Maker of all things; but as Mediator, who has all things committed to him, to subserve the ends of his office; and has a kingdom appointed him, and which he will deliver up again the word all may refer either to persons or things; to persons, not angels, good or bad, though both are subject to him, yet neither are called his inheritance; but elect men, who are his portion, and the lot of his inheritance; and to things relating to these persons, and for their use and service, in time, and to all eternity; as all temporal things, and all spiritual ones, the blessings and promises of the covenant of grace, the gifts and graces of the Spirit, and eternal glory and happiness, the saints' inheritance, who are joint heirs with Christ.

By whom also he made the worlds;
this is said in agreement with the notions of the Jews, and their way of speaking, who make mention of three worlds, which they call, the upper world (the habitation of God), the middle world (the air), and the lower world F15 (the earth); and sometimes they call them the world of angels (where they dwell), the world of orbs (where the sun, moon, and stars are), and the world below F16 (on which we live); and it is frequent in their writings, and prayer books F17, to call God (Mymlweh lk Nwbr) , "Lord of all worlds"; (See Gill on Hebrews 11:3), these God made by his Son, not as an instrument, but as an efficient cause with him; for by him were all things made, whether visible or invisible; and the preposition "by" does not always denote instrumentality, but sometimes efficiency; and is used of God the Father himself, and in this epistle, ( Hebrews 2:10 ) .
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote




George Washinton 1777 vision of America's Future
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn completely believes this vision
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about3621.html

HARBINGER  WARNINGS - Isaiah 9 prophecy
When GOD destroys USA, you cant say He didnt WARN us!
Most of this is Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about2307.html

NUCLEAR ATTACK on AMERICA
Visions of Duduman, Henry Gruver, AA Allen all dovetail
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about708.html

ISRAEL'S WARS
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about2168.html

The rapture issue
There is no pre-tribulation rapture
That is a popular FALSE DOCTRINE
Jesus said - ENDURE - TO THE END!
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about923.html


LOCKED THREADS

PROPHETIC WARNINGS *
Links to older prophetic threads, shemita
Dow falls 650 points June 24, 2016 - page 5
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about409.html

Prophetic dreams of destruction to hit America  *
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about4039.html

Next USA President, contradictory prophecies (Laz in NZ )  *
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about5459.html

Where are we in prophetic Time? Cahn etc  *
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about4994.html

Prophetic, Bill Wilson, Bill Koenig  *
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about2870.html

Avi Lipkin Prophetic views  *
He is excellent
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about3480.html

Henry Gruver *
Visions of Heaven, Visions of War
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about198.html

3 Men in A Wheat Field *
REAL CHRISTIANS PROTECTED
Michael Boldea dream
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about292.html

BLOOD MOONS   *
Blood Moon tetrad Prophecy, THIS GENERATION will not pass
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about4422.html

*FINAL!* WARNINGS to America   *
Her cup of iniquity is full and running over
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/ftopic5245-9.php

Ken Peters vision - he SAW the tribulation *
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about795.html

Pastor-Prophet David Wilkerson
http://www.worldchallenge.org/en/view/devotions

If you take the mark of the beast,
you are damned.  There is NO REPENTANCE.
Revelation 13 and 14

WORLD WAR 3
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about1116.html

* I locked most of my prophecy threads as they are old and there are too many.  I need ONE thread - I hope
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What really gets me about a lot of these rapture teachers is that they'll go too far to try and rip out good portions of scripture.

For example, they'll spin how the General Epistles (1 Peter - Jude) are doctrines for saints in other dispensation periods, and not the current church age we're living in. And FYI, Revelation 1-3 IS for the church age too. And they'll also spin how the 4 gospel books + Acts are somehow Old Testament books. Never mind how biblical repentance is the SAME from Genesis ALL THE WAY to Revelation. And Paul described repentance as GODLY SORROW in 2nd Corinthians 7:10-11. (which is the same repentance doctrine he preached in Acts, see Acts 26:20, AND the same repentance doctrine JOHN preached in Matthew 3).

What they're doing is adding/subtracting to the word of God.

Proverbs 30:6  Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boldea audio - much truth in humor
Mike blames the silent and comfy Church for this decayed age
Today he an equal opportunity insulter - lol
If you dont pay taxes you shudnt vote
NKorea is over-caffinated
Keep an eye on LePen
Why not be pre-trib? whats the harm?  PLENTY!
LISTEN to this
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