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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject: The Rapture Issue  Reply with quote

     


My rant!
WHY cant preachers stick to the Holy Bible, instead of forever ranting on and on about a rapture?
I have turned OFF many TV and radio programs and preachers when their entire show is about this false, misleading doctrine.  I have very FEW preachers I truly like, and every one preaches a rapture.  (low rumbling growl!)  I was raised to believe we will all escape troubles.  I know all the verses.  The Lord in His mercy pulled me out of that to tell me to WARN people.  Prepare to DIE for the Name of Christ!  SHAME on todays pastors!  I say that with a lot of love and respect for the handful I like.  Many, even most in pulpits today are wolves.  I quickly add,
get outta the roman catholic churches - that false unbiblical crap will damn you.


The Rapture Issue
By Oregon Pastor Peter DePaoli,  Reclaiming Victory Ministries
http://www.reclaimingvictory.org
http://www.reclaimingvictory.org/sermons.html

Immanency or Expectancy.   Two very long words to answer a very short time span.  So short it is in the twinkling of an eye.

Immanency Has come to mean in pre-tribulation circles that the second coming of Christ would come at any moment and usher in the seven-year period of tribulation.  
Believers would have their “rapture tickets” and be caught up with deceased believers and never have to go through tough times that are prophesied to come upon the earth.  
Also, that no prophesied event must occur before Christ’s return.  They also believe that the Day of the Lord commences with the rapture of the church.

Expectancy.  Many believers in the early church had expectancy that Christ would return in their lifetime.  
The personal pronoun we, “we who are alive and remain (1Thess 4:13-15); the adjective our “our gathering together unto Him” (2Thess 2:1-2)
all demonstrate the expectancy of each generation that Christ could return in his lifetime – which became a catalyst for holy living.

By looking at the Old Testament description of the Day of the Lord along with making a comparison of the Seal Judgments in the Book of Revelation with the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24,
we will answer the questions of the apostles of  “what shall be the Sign of the Coming and the End of the Age?”  
We will close by reading what the apostles understood Jesus to say as we read through the Didache, the teachings of the twelve apostles.

The Day of the Lord.   Pre-trib assumes that the Day of the Lord is equivalent to the start of Daniel’s 7th week (tribulation).  
Yet the following scriptures point to cosmic disturbances tied to a certain Seal in the Book of Revelation.

Isaiah 13:9-10 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Isaiah 34: 4, 8 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine,
and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree. (v8 ) For [it is] the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Joel 2: 10-11 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp [is] very great: for [he is] strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD [is] great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Joel 2: 30-31 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Joel 3: 14-15 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD [is] near in the valley of decision.
The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

Acts 2: 19-20 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

When do these cosmic disturbances occur in relation to the Day of the Lord?  Joel 2:31; Acts 2:20 (above) Before the great and terrible/notable day of the Lord

If the Rapture occurs at the Day of the Lord and the Day of the Lord must be preceded by cosmic disturbance, what happens to the view of immanence held by the pre-tribers?
It invalidates It.

What comes first, cosmic disturbances or the Great Tribulation? Cosmic disturbances
Matt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mark 13:24-25 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

Luke 21:25-26 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity;
the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

What is the timing of the Day of the Lord in relation to the Great Tribulation?  Before or After

Which seal in Revelation 6 describes the cosmic disturbances?      Sixth    

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Who is the author of the Book of Revelation?  Jesus    .

Rev. 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
 
Who is the “author” of the Olivet Discourse?   Jesus    .
Matt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Note the parallels to the seals in Revelation and the events in the Olivet Discourse.


SEALS  EVENTS

Rev 6:1-2  Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, "Come."

I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

Matt 24:4-5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.  

Rev 6:3-4 When He broke the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, "Come."
And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that {men} would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him.

Matt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.  

Rev 6: 5-6 When He broke the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, "Come."
I looked, and behold, a black horse; and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand.
And I heard {something} like a voice in the center of the four living creatures saying,
"A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not damage the oil and the wine."

Matt. 24:7a  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:  

Rev 6: 7-8 When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, "Come."
I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him.
Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.

Matt. 24: 7b  and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.  

Rev 6: 9-11  When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and
because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying,
"How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"

Matt. 24: 9-22  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come
.

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.  

Rev. 6: 12-17  I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake;
and the sun became black as sackcloth {made} of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind.
The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man
hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they said to the mountains and to the rocks,
"Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

Matt. 24: 29-30  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,
and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev. 8:1-6  When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.
And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.
Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer; and much incense was given to him, so that he might add it to the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar which was before the throne.
And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel's hand.

Then the angel took the censer and filled it with the fire of the altar, and threw it to the earth; and there followed peals of thunder and sounds and flashes of lightning and an earthquake.
And the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound them.

What did the Lord call the first through fourth events?   Birth pangs
Matt. 24:8  But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.

What was the fifth event? Great Tribulation
Matt. 24:21  For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.

What are believers to do and expect when they see cosmic disturbances? Lift up head, redemption is near
Luke 21:28 "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

1 Thess. 5:9 says God did not appoint us to wrath.  Pre-tribers hold that the seals are God’s wrath.  Are the first six seals God’s wrath or man’s wrath?  Man’s

When is the seventh seal opened? After the tribulation
Rev 7:1-17 is about the remnant of Israel, the 144,000 and the multitude from the Tribulation
Rev 8:1 When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.

What does it usher in?   God’s wrath/ Trumpet judgments

When does God’s wrath fall on the earth? At the seventh seal, at the first trumpet

What sign indicates the catching away of the saints?  The trumpet of God
1 Thess. 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

What sign happens with the seventh seal? They sound the trumpets
Rev 8:6 And the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound them.

Are believers on the earth when God’s wrath falls? No

Panorama
Four rapture views illustrated.
Fill out time-table for pre-wrath illustration.
Read Didache (what the apostles thought about the timing of Christ’s return.
Panorama view of end times.

DIDACHE -

It is a manual of instruction written by the apostles for the gentile Christian community. It was written between 80AD and 120 AD.
It was mentioned by the early Church fathers including Eusebius in 324AD. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church calls the Didache a broader cannon.
It was discovered in 1873 in Greece and estimated to be written in 1053 AD, which is 70 years before the Dead Sea Scrolls.
It is in three sections: Chapters 1-6, Way of life and way of death; chapters 7-10, Rituals such as baptism and communion; chapters 11-15, ministry dealings; chapter 16 end times.
It is similar to Matthew in words, phrases and motifs. It gives pre-baptismal instruction.
It includes a Trinitarian formula in Didache 7 that is in line with Matthew 28:19 as well as the Lords prayer which is in Did 8 and Matt 6:5-13.

Chapter 16  Watchfulness; The Coming of the Lord

1 Watch for your life's sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins unloosed; but be ready, for you know not the hour in which our Lord comes.  Matthew 24:42

2 But often shall you come together, seeking the things which are befitting to your souls: for the whole time of your faith will not profit you, if you be not made perfect in the last time.

3 For in the last days false prophets and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate; Matthew 24:11-12

4 for when lawlessness increases, they shall hate and persecute and betray one another,
Matthew 24:10 and then shall appear the world-deceiver as the Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands,
and he shall do iniquitous things which have never yet come to pass since the beginning.

5 Then shall the creation of men come into the fire of trial, and many shall be made to stumble and shall perish;
but they that endure in their faith shall be saved from under the curse itself.

6 And then shall appear the signs of the truth; first, the sign of an out-spreading in heaven;
then the sign of the sound of the trumpet; and the third, the resurrection of the dead;

7 yet not of all, but as it is said: The Lord shall come and all His saints with Him.
8 Then shall the world see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven.


I Saw The Tribulation
California and Japan go into the sea

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no "secret" rapture - it's not like believers will just disappear out of thin air out of nowhere.
1st The 4:13-18 makes it clear that there will be a big shout, a loud trumpet, and Rev 1:7(I think) says EVERY eye shall see.
Ultimately, I can't see how "secret" that can be.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When does God’s wrath fall on the earth? At the seventh seal, at the first trumpet


I don't quite see it that way, the first mention of God's wrath is at the bowl judgments.

Rev 15:1 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete.
7 Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God who lives forever and ever.
Rev 16:1 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth."

There is no mention of God's wrath before these scriptures, only an assumption in many people's reasoning.
Believers Are To Endure To The End, Not Escape:


Quote:
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What does it usher in?   God’s wrath/ Trumpet judgments
When does God’s wrath fall on the earth? At the seventh seal, at the first trumpet
What sign indicates the catching away of the saints?  The trumpet of God
What sign happens with the seventh seal? They sound the trumpets


The only way I believe different is that is going to be at the 7th Trump and not at the 1st Trump. Why can't God protect us like He did the Hebrews when the ten plagues of Egypt happened?

I Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I Thess. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Rev 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever."

Are you saying that the 1st trump is the Trump of God and not the Last Trump?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pastor Peter sent me his sermon and I liked it.  Everyone's views differ, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot.

Some think the trumpet judgments come out of the 7th SEAL.
Some think the 7th SEAL, TRUMP and BOWL are the same.

No one knows, many opinions.  We will know after things happen - maybe - if we open our eyes.

I believe we are living this book NOW, in our day.
I believe the 4 horsemen have been riding for some years, faster and faster.

I can see judgments all over AmeriKa.

GOD allowed the wicked Obama to usurp power because this nation had already abandoned GOD.
He could never have taken the whitehouse prior to now.   Evil ones control the world, the news media - and the churches.

We are promised a blessing if we read the Revelation of Jesus Christ.  So ... read it .. and be blessed!   Smile

COME, LORD JESUS!   Exclamation


ONWARD!  STAND!  OVERCOME!  ENDURE!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mG78M7g9wRo

HARBINGER  WARNINGS - Isaiah 9 prophecy
When GOD destroys USA, you cant say He didnt WARN us!
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about2307.html


ZionsCRY NEWS analysis
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
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Everyone's views differ, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot.
No one knows, many opinions.  We will know after things happen - maybe - if we open our eyes.


You are absolutely right, my position on the issue over the last thirty six years has modified tremendously as I studied and was guided by the Holy Spirit.

I thank God we can discuss this here and we can agree to disagree and not have any anger about it.
I have come across so many people who get so upset and won't even debate the issue.
Like you said,we are now living in the middle of the scriptures being fulfilled and there is no time to resist hearing the truth.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Fall of Babylon  

Jesus saw much people, and was moved with compassion toward them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd,
and he began to teach them many things.
Mark 6:34

I am putting this in here from an email someone sent me.  DISCERN!
Too many have 'visions' which are NOT from the LORD


First published June 23, 2009      Vision by Darren Smith
I saw this land split into 4 parts with each one under its own flag. Each region had terrible destruction and many people were dead.
The Lord asked me,

Why are you crying over the fall of Babylon?
Why have you been praying for the healing of Babylon?

The Lord opened a scroll and started reading off the indictments against our country, but before each one he clearly called the USA Babylon.

The list was long and to the point, with such points as the killing of several generations of unborn children, sacrificed to the god of self.
The list also included greed, idolatry, pride, fornication, and many others.

We live in a nation that is so far removed from God and in total opposition to the Kingdom of God, we have become just like Lot living in Sodom,
the prosperity that the nation offers us has blinded us from the evil that rules this land.
We complain about how bad it is but still stay attached to it with every ounce of strength we have.      

*  The Lord said - Prepare for the fall, time is running out.
I must preach the Gospel of The Kingdom not the Gospel of America.  
America is already judged, the time of shaking is now and will increase rapidly this summer.
Water shortages and food shortages will become common this summer, as well as fuel shortages.
Civil unrest will become common place in large cities first but will spill over into the rural areas as well.      

Natural disasters will stretch the resources of the nation to the breaking point and the government will use this to take freedom away.
Brothers up north take note, you will see this start to happen quickly. Please seek the Lord for direction as you are out of time.  
The west coast will see this soon as well, please prepare.      

In this vision there was a great wasteland that appeared to be in the center of the nation  where everything was wiped out and
I saw masses of people wandering without direction. They were dirty and ragged, almost dead and there was no relief in sight.
Most of you reading this think I'm crazy I'm sure, but I must be faithful to share what I'm given to share.

The Lord told me to cry from the mountain tops to repent and seek the Lord now!!
We don't have any more time to seek after the things of this world.

We must stop crying over the fall of Babylon and press into the Kingdom.
http://www.stormharvest.com.au/in...sk=view&id=1936&Itemid=65


Aslo read
*  THIS is the CALM BEFORE the STORM
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about980.html

DO NOT PRAY for this people,
for I will not listen when they call to Me because of their disaster. Jeremiah 11:14

As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Matthew 24:37

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James 1:5
If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault,
and it will be given to him. 6But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt,
because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind
.


This is my chance to present my view on this subject.
I grew up in a church that preached a pre-tribulation rapture escape.
I thot it great we would escape the hard times!

Slowly in the 1970s the LORD began to lead me away from that.
I have always desired to know the truth - even if not pleasant.
For many years I have prayed for Wisdom and Discernent.


There is NO Pre-Tribulation RAPTURE ESCAPE!
PREPARE YOUR HEART

READ Isaiah 24 and Jeremiah 51

Christians are being persecuted EVERYWHERE

The Bible nowhere says that Believers will leave Earth for 7 years or even 3.5 years


The term "rapture" is not a biblical term.
It is a theological term that many Bible teachers use to refer to harpazo, the "catching away" mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. Like so many words, both biblical and otherwise, the problem is not in the terminology but in man's definitions and understanding. Words are only as good men's understanding of their meaning.

It will not be our intent or purpose to sling stones at the word "rapture," for the word itself is not the real problem. The problem is that the word has received its definition from men of the last two centuries who knew little or nothing about the Feast of Trumpets or of Tabernacles. Because of this, much of the Church has been taught that when Christ comes, the dead will be raised and immediately "raptured" to heaven, with the living saints close on their heels. But this is not what the feast days teach us. As we have already seen, the Feast of Trumpets prophesies about the resurrection of the dead, but the Feast of Tabernacles will not be fulfilled for another two weeks.

In the pattern of John 6 and 7, which we studied in chapter 7, we saw that Peter went out to meet Jesus in the middle of the lake, and that Jesus came to keep the Feast of Tabernacles in the middle of that feast. While we cannot say for sure when He will come, the patterns strongly suggest that Christ will come in the middle of the Feast of Tabernacles, and that, like Peter, the overcomers will be caught away to meet Him at that time. But this would be more than two weeks after the Feast of Trumpets.



The CHURCH AGE is OVER
There is NO RAPTURE!
Our FOCUS MUST be ONLY the Lord Jesus Christ - NOT escape!
Our FOCUS should be on saving lost souls from HELL!



Michael Boldea, Dumitru Duduman's grandson has dreams and revelations.
I consider him among the VERY VERY FEW TRUE PROPHETS of GOD today.

A Great CALIFORNIA Earthquake coming
http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_56.php

New war coming
http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_55.php

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The REAL RAPTURE
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/SecondComing/Chap13.htm

RAPTURE, Not So Fast, John Clark
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2005/johnc1020-2.htm

I Saw The Tribulation - and we were still here
http://www.888c.com/yKP818.htm

CALIFORNIA FALLS INTO the SEA, 1937 Vision
http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=cali

Isaiah 24 bible online
http://nasb.scripturetext.com/isaiah/24.htm

Days of Judgment
The UN met in New York City from Sept 23-26 in 2009
AND THE WHOLE WORLD TOTALLY CHANGED


The days between Rosh Ha Shanah and Yom Kippur, Sept. 19th thru Sept. 28th are called
The Days of Awe (Judgment).
In Judaism they signify a time in which a man's destiny is written in the books in heaven for the next year.

G20 Nations Summit September 23-25, 2009 in Pittsburgh PA to discuss the world economy.

Be brave and upright that God may love thee.
Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death.
Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong.
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The Spirit explicitly says that in Latter Times some will fall away from the Faith,
paying attention to Deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
by means of the hypocrisy of LIARS seared in their own conscience.  1 Timothy 4:1-2

The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but wanting to have their ears tickled,
they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will
turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths, fables, man-made fictions.  2 Timothy 4:3-4:

There is NO RAPTURE!
That is one of the DOCTRINE of DEMONS!


For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to now
Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven.

Excerpts from Matthew 24     http://nasb.scripturetext.com/matthew/24.htm

Poppajoe wrote:
I took this same position 16 years ago after I was challenged to prove my Pre-trib position I was blindly following 19 years prior to this.
It made me dig deeper into the scriptures studying endtimes and leaving behind all the books I was reading on the subject.
The Holy Spirit took over showing me by the scriptures what the truth is about his coming on the Day of the Lord and our meeting Him on that day.
After the veil was lifted from my eyes, I start seeing clearly what the word said and I couldn't figure out why others didn't understand.
I would come up against strong religious spirits that would almost become hateful and wouldn't allow me to share the truth. So I am waiting for God's timing when things would start to happen and the church would start looking for answers.
I'm still praying that I can lead them away from error and into the Spirit of Truth so that they won't be discouraged when they see great tribulation cover the earth.
I would love to see the pre-trib preachers denouce their error and lead many back to the truth.

http://justtomakeyouthink.blogspot.com/2009/10/left-behind-myth.html

AMEN, Joe
How chilling that you posted this BEFORE I posted my item on APOSTASY.
APOSTASY LEADS TO HELL
I am very concerned these rabid, hardcore pre-trib types will turn away from Christ and go to hell.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:05 pm    Post subject: PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE PROVED WRONG Reply with quote

Boldea audio - much truth in humor
Mike blames the silent and comfy Church for this decayed age
Today he an equal opportunity insulter - lol
If you dont pay taxes you shudnt vote
NKorea is over-caffinated
Keep an eye on LePen
Why not be pre-trib? whats the harm?  PLENTY!

LISTEN to this
http://tobtr.com/9956997



PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE PROVED WRONG
These are 6 videos - good arguments for anyone who believes the rapture is BEFORE the tribulation.
DOWNLOAD HERE
http://www.wildernesschristianity...-Tribulation-Rapture-Proved-Wrong

SOUND BIBLICAL TEACHING ON THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH
Sound Biblical Teaching on Rapture of the Church by Dr. Renald Showers of Ankerberg Theological Research Institute
several parts  -  here is part 1 - just keep clicking the next and the next
BE SURE ITS RENALD SHOWERS VIDEO - youtube mixes up topics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5866DUnDrck

He was on John Ankerberg






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