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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:56 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

I agree - there are Christians in 3rd world/Islam countries that are getting their blood shed daily. In addition, William F. Cooper said this doctrine was made up by Freemasons in his Mystery Babylon series.
Ultimately, when there comes a day when a major food famine, WW3, all kinds of natural disasters, you name it hit left and right, and then out of the blue some "alien creatures" stop by and act like they're here to save the day, let's all remember that the days will be REALLY drawing near, and our redemption is drawing ever so nigher...so
PREPARE to ENDURE for the sake of the Lord Jesus Christ!

Also, the seeds for the rapture were planted by none other than The Vatican, why? Because it was during the Protestant Reformation when Martin Luther and the other leaders of this started pointing out the RCC system as just that, Antichrist. It was subsequently when 2 Jesuits made up false escatology doctrines(one of them Preterism, meaning that everything was fulfilled in 70 AD with the destruction of the Jeruselum Temple) so that it would distract everyone from the real truth.
No, it wasn't the Vatican that made up the rapture itself, but they opened the doors for people like Irving(I think that's his name) and John Nelson Darby to come up with this pre-trib rapture nonsense.

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump...
As for this One World Government reign...it may not even be 7 years, it may not even be 3.5 years...it could very well be a very short time space(?weeks? ?months? ?days?). But one thing we DO hear from scripture - when the fan hits the ceiling, and this OWG 1984 totalitarian state with the outward showing of peace gets unveiled, then 1st The 5:3 should be coming to mind...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rapture and Resurrection
By Asher Intrater
Two supernatural events that are due to take place in the end times are the "Rapture" and the "Resurrection."
There are differences of opinion as to when the "Rapture" occurs; however, everyone agrees that it happens immediately after the "Resurrection."
This is true of both the "Pre-Trib" and "Post-Trib" camps. The following verses show the connection of the timing of the Rapture with the Resurrection:

I Corinthians 15:52 – For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I Thessalonians 4:15 – We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

I Thessalonians 4:16-17 – And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them…

"The dead in Christ will rise first." If the Rapture occurs immediately after the Resurrection, it should be a fairly simple matter to determine the timing.
Just find out when the Resurrection is, and then you will know when the Rapture is.

Let's check the book of Revelation which speaks the most clearly of any book in the Bible about the Resurrection.
Well, it's not in chapter one; not in chapter two, not in three, not four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen… Ah here it is:

Revelation 20:5 – This is the first resurrection.

So apparently the Rapture takes place right after verse 5. This of course is right after the Devil is bound (verse 2),
which is right after the Beast is destroyed (verse 19:20), which is right after Armageddon (verse 19:19),
which is right after the Second Coming (verse 19:11).

If the Rapture takes place right after the Resurrection, which takes place after the Tribulation, how can anyone say that the Rapture is before the Tribulation?
No, the Rapture takes place at the end of the Tribulation, along with the Resurrection at the time of the Second Coming.
It is at the end of the book of Revelation, not at the beginning, not at the middle, but at the very end.
Email Feb 27, 2011 from Simantov Allalouf,  uziel16@gmail.com

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

William F. Cooper, in his decades of research of Mystery Babylon, found out that this whole pre-trib rapture issue came out of the FREEMASONS(of course, it was some Jesuit priest that started all this broo-ha-ha many moons ago).
Really, I'm surprised by how many serious bible scholars are pre-trib. Bryan Dillinger over at kingjamesministries.com is pre-trib(for the record, I myself is KJV and like alot of the research and work he has done), which surprises me.
Anyhow - didn't want to start a discussion or anything over bible versions, but back to the OP, it's not just the false teachers promoting pre-trib, it's some of the better bible scholars et al that are supporting it as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:59 pm    Post subject: Corrie ten Boom Reply with quote

WARNING  from Corrie ten Boom  

In ISRAEL there is an Avenue of Righteous Gentiles.
A tree grew there in honor of Corrie ten Boom.
It died on the day she died.

Corrie ten Boom Warns Against Pre-Tribulation Rapture False Doctrine.
Many Christians are unaware of the warning written in a letter by Corrie ten Boom where Miss ten Boom warns against a pre-tribulation rapture false doctrine. A  Dutch Christian and a survivor of the Nazi Holocaust concentration camps. Corrie spearheaded a rescue operation in Holland that helped hundreds of Jews escape the Nazi extermination camps, and travelled all over the world as an ambassador for Christ telling her story. In her worldwide travels Miss ten Boom met with many Christians abroad. Many in the Suffering Church were enduring persecution just as she had. She met with Church leaders of the underground church in China. There she became aware of what had happened to the Chinese church in 1949. At that time Mao Tse Tung was bringing China into communism. The American missionaries had left the country. Chinese Christians entered into a time of intense persecution.

During that period the Pre-Tribulation Rapture doctrine had been the accepted teaching. But there was a problem. And it turned out to be a serious one. This Biblically unfounded doctrine had not prepared the Chinese Church for witness under trial. Christian believers were interrogated and brutalized under the Red Guard. Many fell away from the faith in those times.

Corrie ten Boom's story is told through her book The Hiding Place, and the motion picture released by the same name in the 1970s.

Corrie ten Boom went home to be with her Lord April 15, 1983, but her inspiring testimony for Christ will endure.

Following is the letter Corrie left warning against a pre-tribulation rapture false doctrine that Christians all over the world, and especially in America need to take very seriously.In this capacity Corrie ten Boom has earned the right to be heard. She is eminently qualified to present this special word of warning to the Western Church:


"The world is deathly ill. It is dying. The Great Physician has already signed the death certificate. Yet there is still a great work for Christians to do. They are to be streams of living water, channels of mercy to those who are still in the world. It is possible for them to do this because they are overcomers.

Christians are ambassadors for Christ. They are representatives from Heaven to this dying world. And because of our presence here, things will change.

My sister, Betsy, and I were in the Nazi concentration camp at Ravensbruck because we committed the crime of loving Jews. Seven hundred of us from Holland, France, Russia, Poland and Belgium were herded into a room built for two hundred. As far as I knew, Betsy and I were the only two representatives of Heaven in that room.

We may have been the Lord's only representatives in that place of hatred, yet because of our presence there, things changed. Jesus said, "In the world you shall have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." We too, are to be overcomers – bringing the light of Jesus into a world filled with darkness and hate.

Sometimes I get frightened as I read the Bible, and as I look in this world and see all of the tribulation and persecution promised by the Bible coming true. Now I can tell you, though, if you too are afraid, that I have just read the last pages. I can now come to shouting "Hallelujah! Hallelujah!" for I have found where it is written that Jesus said,

"He that overcometh shall inherit all things
and I will be His God,
and he shall be My son."
This is the future and hope of this world. Not that the world will survive – but that we shall be overcomers in the midst of a dying world.

Betsy and I, in the concentration camp, prayed that God would heal Betsy who was so weak and sick.

"Yes, the Lord will heal me,", Betsy said with confidence.

She died the next day and I could not understand it. They laid her thin body on the concrete floor along with all the other corpses of the women who died that day.

It was hard for me to understand, to believe that God had a purpose for all that. Yet because of Betsy's death, today I am traveling all over the world telling people about Jesus.

There are some among us teaching there will be no tribulation that the Christians will be able to escape all this.  These are the false teachers that Jesus was warning us to expect in the latter days.  Mos of them have little knowledge of what is already going on across the world. I have been in countries where the saints are already suffering terrible persecution.

In China, the Christians were told, " Don't worry, before the tribulation comes you will be translated- raptured."  Then came a terrible persecution.  Millions of Christians were tortued to death.  Later, I heard a Bishop from China say, sadly,

"We have failed..
We should have made the people strong for persecution,
rather than telling them Jesus would come first.
Tell the people to be strong in times of persecution,
how to stand when the tribulation comes,
to stand and not faint."

I feel I have a divine mandate to go and tell the people of this world that it is possible to be strong in the Lord Jesus Christ.  We are in training for the tribulation, but more than sixty percent of the Body of Christ across the world has already entered into the tribulation.  There is no way to escape it.  We are next.

Since I have already gone through prison for Jesus' sake, and since I met the Bishop in China, now every time I read a good Bible text I think, "Hey, I can use that in the time of tribulation." Then I write it down and learn it by heart.

When I was in the concentration camp, a camp where only twenty percent of the women came out alive, we tried to cheer each other up by saying, "Nothing could be any worse than today." But we would find the next day was even worse. During this time a Bible verse that I had committed to memory gave me great hope and joy.

"If you be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye;
for the spirit of the glory and of God resteth upon you;
on their part evil is spoken of,
but on your part He is glorified."
I Peter 4:14"

I found myself saying, "Hallelujah!
Because I am suffering, Jesus is glorified!"

In America, the churches sing, "Let the congregation escape tribulation", but in China and Africa the tribulation has already arrived. This last year alone more than two hundred thousand Christians were martyred in Africa. Now things like that never get into the newspapers because they cause bad political relations. But I know. I have been there. We need to think about that when we sit down in our nice houses with our nice clothes to eat our steak dinners. Many, many members of the Body of Christ are being tortured to death at this very moment, yet we continue right on as though we are all going to escape the tribulation.

Several years ago I was in Africa in a nation where a new government had come into power. The first night I was there some of the Christians were commanded to come to the police station to register. When they arrived they were arrested and that same night they were executed. The next day the same thing happened with other Christians. The third day it was the same. All the Christians in the district were being systematically murdered.

The fourth day I was to speak in a little church. The people came, but they were filled with fear and tension. All during the service they were looking at each other, their eyes asking, "Will this one I am sitting beside be the next one killed? Will I be the next one?"

The room was hot and stuffy with insects that came through the screenless windows and swirled around the naked bulbs over the bare wooden benches. I told them a story out of my childhood.

"When I was a little girl, I said, I went to my father and said,
"Daddy, I am afraid that I will never be strong enough to be a martyr for Jesus Christ."
"Tell me," said Father,
"When you take a train trip to Amsterdam, when do I give you the money for the ticket?"
"Three weeks before?"
"No Daddy, you give me the money for the ticket just before we get on the train."
"That's is right," my father said,"and so it is with God's strength."
"Our Father in heaven knows when you need the strength to be a martyr for Jesus Christ."
"He will supply all you need just in time."
My African friends were nodding and smiling.
Suddenly a spirit of joy descended upon that church and the people began singing,
" In the sweet, by and by,
we shall meet on that beautiful shore."

Later that week, half the congregation of that church was executed.
I heard later that the other half was killed some months ago.

But I must tell you something. I was so happy that the Lord used me to encourage these people, for unlike many of their leaders, I had the word of God. I had been to the Bible and discovered that Jesus said He had not only overcome the world, but to all those who remained faithful to the end, He would give a crown of life.

How can we get ready for the persecution?

First we need to feed on the Word of God, digest it, make it a part of our being. This will mean disciplined Bible study each day as we not only memorize long passages of scripture, but put the principles to work in our lives.
Next we need to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Not just the Jesus of yesterday, the Jesus of History,
but the life-changing Jesus of today who is still alive
and sitting at the right hand of God.

We must be filled with the Holy Spirit. This is no optional command of the Bible, it is absolutely necessary. Those earthly disciples could never have stood up under the persecution of the Jews and Romans had they not waited for Pentecost. Each of us needs our own personal Pentecost, the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We will never be able to stand in the tribulation without it.
In the coming persecution we must be ready to help each other and encourage each other.

But we must not wait until the tribulation comes before starting.
The fruit of the Spirit should be the dominant force of every Christian's life.
Many are fearful of the coming tribulation, they want to run. I, too, am a little bit afraid when I think that after all my eighty years, including the horrible Nazi concentration camp, that I might have to go through the tribulation also.
But then I read the Bible and I am glad.

When I am weak, then I shall be strong, the Bible says. Betsy and I were prisoners for the Lord, we were so weak, but we got power because the Holy Spirit was on us. That mighty inner strengthening of the Holy Spirit helped us through. No, you will not be strong in yourself when the tribulation comes. Rather, you will be strong in the power of Him who will not forsake you. For seventy-six years I have known the Lord Jesus and not once has He ever left me, or let me down.

"Though He shall slay me, yet will I trust Him." Job 13:15
for I know that to all who overcome,
He shall give the crown of life.

- Corrie Ten Boom - 1974


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There lies the problem - it's not so much that there will/won't be a rapture, but those who are discplies of Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

If anything, American churches should be PREPARING for the inevitable. If these modern day "churches" bother to do 30 minutes of research on what's really going on today, they should know that Judgement is coming to America very soon, and now is the time for Christians to stand firm on the Word of God, b/c persecution is coming as well.

So ultimately, how are the modern day church pastors going to react when everything really starts to go down, and they're in desperation mode? Will they bow down to this Caesar government to save their skins? Or will they wake up and realize that judgement has come to America, and Jesus' return is imminent?

Well, I don't want to beat a dead horse as I've said this many times now - but I'm disappointed that some of the other ministries that I follow, that preach alot of truth, are pre-trib.

No, it's not just mainline people like John MacArthur and Hal Lindsey(neither of whom I'm a fan of to begin with) that are preaching pre-trib, it's alot of the other smaller ministries that have a small audience, even online, that are pretty firm in this stance.

No, I'm not saying we should be biting our fingernails as we'll still be here when the antichrist with his sidekick the false prophet emerges, but we should all remember and keep in mind that Jesus is still on the Throne, and once these evil beasts appear, then we WILL KNOW that time is OFFICIALLY RUNNING LOW.

My concern is that those that are firm in pre-trib - when these 2 evil men appear as "angels of light", they could very well be deceived into thinking the end times are light years away now that peace and prosperity has arrived for supposedly a very, very long time.

And even worse, even IF the pre-tribbers realizes the errors of their ways by the time the 3.5 - 7 year trib kicks off, what are they GOING TO SAY to their very flock and those that they witnessed to when they told them that there's going to be a pre-trib rapture? Yah, they're going to have alot of explaining to do.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are a true Christian you will not be deceived, even if you are pre-trib, mid-trip or post-trib. I myself I am pre-trib and I know the Lord is coming, and He will come when He will come, now we need to be careful, the person who is promoting that May 21st is the Rapture day He doesnot believe in 7 years of Tribulation or Millenium Kingdom. So I will not judge any brother who takes the position of pre-mid-post you know why? Because one day the Lord will come and then we will not even bother to think or to face each other and said I told you so, because at that moment the only thing that will matter will be JESUS!!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:30 am    Post subject: RAPTURE * The End is NOW! Reply with quote

My Commentary / Analysis  July  2011
The last 3 months I have said there is no REAL NEWS which is being given to the sheepl.
Radio and TV are the propaganda fed to the public to promote how the NWO wants you to think.
They are manipulating your thinking and emotions!
The internet needs to be discerned, pored over like a wild garden, to see what is harvestable, and then how much is consumable.


RAPTURE  *   The End is NOW!
Time is not short.  Dont believe that.  TIME IS UP!

After I go offline for the day, I think of things, or the LORD may tell me to do something in ZionsCRY - AFTER I lie down for a nap.
You have to love His sense of humor.  Sunday morning He specificly told me to put the eagle flag verse on top.  That is from the Lord.
Last nite He told me to do this RAPTURE teaching - after I'd gone offline to lie down and watch TV.
A preacher was on talking about the RAPTURE.  As I watched his face light up so eagerly and
say we will all be GONE when GOD's wrath falls, this hit me very strongly.

Recently any rapture talk has sickened me.  Last nite I saw and felt the whole impact.
This false rapture doctrine DOES NOT PREPARE the Body of Christ for what is coming.
The Holy Bible clearly WARNS us we will suffer for the Name of Christ.   There is not an escape.
There is NOT 7 years, there is only 3 and a half years!  The End is NOW!

Folks bank account, pension and savings may all be wiped out overnite.  SERIOUSLY!
0bama threatening seniors they would not get the Social Security checks they depend on woke some of them up.
Many times I have suggested that you pull a good amount of CASH out of the bank and keep at home.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fervent (heartfelt) prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
James 5:16

False Prophets (PROFITS)

The line between who is a false profit today, and who is simply deceived is very thin.
The standard since the time of Jesus Christ is not the same as in the old testament.
I guess date setting and arrogance are the big sign of who is false.  That is only my personal opinion.
A true prophet of GOD speaks for GOD.  He speaks GOD's words to the sheepl.
REPENT and RETURN to obedience to the written Word is his pasison.
He weeps when the people rejoice and rejoices when the people weep - in true repentance.

I thought of this today when I thot of Hal Lindsay.  He never sets an exact day or year.
So much of what he says is true, but then, much of what Glenn Beck says is true.
Why do I say Beck is a false profit and Hal is not?  Valid question!  Beck is Mormon, lies are intentional.

I just cringe when they say rapture
The rapture is popular but its been false doctrine for many years.
I think some still say it because people want to hear it, while they now doubt it.
That is dishonest for sure.  Perhaps it makes them false.  We are not their judge.
I would prefer they passionately call people to holiness, walking is the Light of the written Word of GOD.
Hal Lindsay is worth listening to, as is John Hagee and David Jeremiah who I love, and Robert Jefress (Dallas).

There is no -pre-trib rapture.  Jesus said


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott A Johnson
The Pre-tribulation Rapture vs. The Post-tribulation Rapture–Part 1

Click Here for the Part 1 Audio

The Pre-tribulation Rapture vs. The Post-tribulation Rapture–Part 2

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The Pre-tribulation Rapture vs. The Post-tribulation Rapture–Part 3

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The Pre-tribulation Rapture vs. The Post-tribulation Rapture–Part 4

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PDF–Rapture: Pre Tribulation vs. Post Tribulation

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture EXPOSED! Part 1a - The Dangers of Deception

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture EXPOSED! Part 1b: The Dangers of Deception

VERY good teaching here!

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