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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:13 am    Post subject: Poland, Georgia NEWS  Reply with quote

 


Polish president among 132 dead in jet crash in Russia
10 April 2010
 Death toll is 97, not 130 as first reported
About 130 people die in crash of plane carrying Poland president Lech Kaczynski and his wife.
The entire top military brass were on the plane.  The Polish military services are decapitated.
Tupolev Tu-154 plane goes down en route to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre, when the Soviets killed thousands of Poles.
Families of those killed at Katyn were also on board the plane.

The plane reportedly hits trees in thick fog on its approach to a Russian airport, and crashed in Smolensk region of Russia, then caught fire about 1.3 miles from the airport.
Several other government figures, including the army chief of staff, were also thought to have been on board.
Kaczynski's wife Maria, Central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek and the chief of Poland's military Franciszek Gagor were among those on board.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36352097/ns/world_news-europe
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010...ents-plane-crashes-russia-killing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8612825.stm
http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/PrintArticle.aspx?id=172782
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3873778,00.html

In the COMMENTS here, one man said this crash is SUSPICIOUS.
I think so too!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/polis...aczynski-dies-in-plane-crash.html


I have a bad feeling this was caused intentionally, not an accident.
Watch Russia move in FAST and take Poland.
The Poland presidential plane that crashed was overhauled in Russia in December,
its 3 engines updated with retrofitted electronic and navigation equipment.


UPDATE OCTOBER 2012
Traces of EXPLOSIVES found in wreckage.  This was an ASSASSINATION


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:32 am    Post subject: Polish president killed in plane crash Reply with quote

Polish president killed in plane crash
April 10, 2010  Polish President Lech Kaczynski was killed early Saturday along with his wife, several top military officials, and the head of the national bank when their plane crashed at a western Russian airport, officials said.
"There are no survivors," said Sergey Antufyev, the governor of Smolensk, where the plane was trying to land when it crashed.

A spokesman for Poland's Foreign Ministry, Piotr Paszkowski, said earlier that it was probable that everyone on board was killed.
Information varied on how many people were on board the plane. The Polish Foreign Ministry and Defense Ministry said 89 people died in the crash. The Russian Investigation Committee said there were 132 people on the plane.
Parliament Speaker Bronislaw Komorowski took over as acting president and declared it "a time for national mourning."

The president, 60, had been traveling with the Polish delegation to Russia for the 70th anniversary of the massacre of Polish prisoners of war in the village of Katyn. Some 20,000 Polish officers were executed there during World War II.

The Polish military plane originated in Warsaw, the Polish Defense Ministry said. It was approaching the airport at Smolensk -- just a few miles east of Katyn -- and probably hit some trees at the end of the runway, Paszkowski said.
The Investigation Committee of the Russian prosecutor's office said the plane, a Tupolev-154, was trying to land in heavy fog.

Kaczynski's Law and Justice Party released a list of some of those it said were killed in the crash. They included Aleksander Szczyglo, the head of the National Security Office; Jerzy Szmajdzinski, the deputy parliament speaker; Andrzej Kremer, the deputy foreign minister; and Gen. Franciszek Gagor, the army chief of staff, according to the party.

"The entire top military brass, including the chief of defense and all the services, were on the plane," said Tomas Valasek, of the Center for European Reform. "If that is true, then you're looking at a situation, in effect, of the decapitation of the military services."

Pictures from the scene showed parts of the airplane charred and strewn through a wooded area. Some pieces, including one of the wheel wells, were upside down.
The crash happened around 10:50 a.m. (2:50 a.m. ET) on the outskirts of the town of Pechorsk, just outside of Smolensk, the Investigation Committee said.

"This is a time of great national tragedy," Komorowski told reporters. "At this time there are no political differences, left or right. This is a time of national mourning."
Kaczynski had been president since December 2005 after he defeated rival Donald Tusk in the second round of voting. Tusk is currently prime minister.

Crowds gathered at the presidential palace in Warsaw to lay flowers and light candles for the president, whose death raises questions for Poland's government.
"Everything has changed today," said Jan Mikruta, a reporter for TV Polsat.

Tusk and Polish Cabinet ministers were holding a special meeting Saturday morning to discuss the situation, said a spokeswoman for the Polish Parliament, who declined to be named because she was not authorized to speak publicly.

Elections must now be held within 60 days, said Dariusz Rosati, Poland's former foreign minister.
"There is going to be a huge gap in public life in Poland," said resident Magdalena Hendrysiak. "The most important people are dead."
At the same time, Hendrysiak said, the president's death may have a unifying effect.
"I think it will be one of those situations that no one will care about their political preferences," she told CNN. "I think we're going to end up as pretty united in the face of such a tragedy."

Valasek pointed out, however, that the Polish president is the head of state, not head of government -- meaning essential services will continue to run.

"The role of the Polish president is not quite ceremonial ... he has some very real powers, but at the end of the day, the day-to-day running of the government is in the hands of the prime minister and the (cabinet) ministers," Valasek said. "Continuity is assured in ways that would not necessarily be assured in the case of the death of the U.S. president."

Condolences poured in from around the world Saturday, including from British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who was campaigning in Scotland.
Brown praised the contributions Kaczynski had made to Polish independence.
"This is a horrible tragedy," said Philip Crowley, the U.S. assistant secretary for public affairs. "We extend to the people of Poland our deepest condolences."

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said he learned of Kaczynski's death with "great emotion and a deep sadness" and expressed his sympathy to the families of the president and other victims.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai also expressed his condolences, as did the chairman of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.
"I offer my deepest condolences to the Polish people and to the families of those killed in this tragic accident. Our hearts go out to you in this difficult time," said OSCE Chairman Kaunat Saudabayev, who is also the secretary of state and foreign minister of Kazakhstan.

Valasek said the crash is a tragic coincidence, since the Polish officials were on their way to commemorate the deaths of top Polish officials at Katyn 70 years ago.

"The very fact that he was on his way to (commemorate) the massacre suggested that Polish-Russian relations, which of course had been very poor over the past 20 years, were on the way towards improvement," Valasek said. "A shared tragedy of this sort could give a boost to further improvement in Polish-Russian relations, which ... were on the mend, and this tragedy might accelerate that trend."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/eur...ent.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:58 pm    Post subject: Intentional Plane Crash? Reply with quote

I was thinking that Poland was one of the countries that they were going to set up the missile defense shield in and that Russia was very opposed to it. Maybe this is their revenge and a way to stop these plans from continuing. Now I bet Russia has in their sites on putting the old Soviet Union back together.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:06 pm    Post subject: Poland in mourning Reply with quote

Poland in mourning
April 19 UPDATE - THERE WERE NOT 4 attempts - only ONE.
THIS WAS MURDER - ASSASSINATION!

UPDATED 10th April 2010, evening

   Pilot error blamed as witnesses report three or four attempts to land in thick fog
   Army chief and national bank supremo also killed in disaster
   PM calls emergency Cabinet meeting as shocked crowds gather

Polish president Lech Kaczynski and his wife Maria have been killed after their plane crashed on approach to Smolensk airport in western Russia.

There were conflicting reports today of the number of people on board the flight. Russian news agencies reported at least 88 people died in the crash near Smolensk airport in western Russia, citing the Russian Emergencies Ministry. They reported 132 people were aboard the Tupolev Tu-154.
But Polish officials said 88 people were on board when the plane crashed. Sky News reported 96 dead.

Pilot error has been blamed for the tragedy after it emerged he turned down the opportunity to land at an alternative runway in thick fog. Witnesses said the pilot made three or four attempts to land before crashing into woodland nearby.
According to reports, the pilot accelerated as the plane came in to land and at that point lost contact with air traffic control.

As news of the tragedy spread, Prime Minister Donald Tusk called an extraordinary meeting of his Cabinet and the national flag was lowered to half-staff at the presidential palace, where people gathered to lay flowers and light candles.

Black ribbons appeared in some windows in the Polish capital.
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has been put in charge of a commission investigating the crash, the Kremlin said.
The governor of the Smolensk region, where the crash took place about 11am (0700 GMT), said no one survived.

'The Polish presidential plane did not make it to the runway while landing. Tentative findings indicate that it hit the treetops and fell apart," Sergei Anufriev said on state news channel Rossiya-24. "Nobody has survived the disaster.'

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said he had ordered a two-minute silence at noon (1000GMT) Sunday.
'The contemporary world has not seen such a tragedy,' he said, offering his "deepest sympathy" to the president's family.
Tusk noted that condolences were pouring in from around the world and noted that "the first came from (Russian) Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Dmitry Medvedev."

Also among the victims was Anna Walentynowicz, whose firing in August 1980 from the Lenin Shipyards in Gdansk sparked a workers' strike that spurred the eventual creation of the Solidarity freedom movement. She went on to be a prominent member.
The crash occurred about 1.5 km from Smolensk airport in foggy conditions.

State news channel Rossiya-24 showed footage from the crash site, with pieces of the plane scattered widely amid leafless trees and small fires burning in woods shrouded with fog. A tail fin with the Polish red and white colours stuck up from the debris.

Poland's president is commander-in-chief of its armed forces but the position's domestic duties are chiefly symbolic.
The president and his wife were on their way to attend a World War Two memorial service. Kaczynski's wife, Maria, was an economist. They had a daughter, Marta, and two granddaughters.

A Polish government official said the head of the Polish army and the head of the presidential administration were also on board the plane, along with the president's wife and families of other senior officials.

The Army chief of staff, Gen. Franciszek Gagor, National Bank President Slawomir Skrzypek and Deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremer were on the passenger list.

'The plane caught fire after the crash. Teams began attempting to pull out passengers from the badly damaged airplane,' said a Polish Foreign Ministry spokesman in Warsaw.

Poland's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Piotr Paszkowski, said there were 89 people on the passenger list but one person had not shown up.

'We still cannot fully understand the scope of this tragedy and what it means for us in the future. Nothing like this has ever happened in Poland,' Paszkowski said. 'We can assume with great certainty that all persons on board have been killed.'

The Queen led tributes today to the president and his wife in a message of condolence where she described her "sorrow" and sent her "deepest sympathy" to the government and the people of Poland.

The monarch's message to the Polish Speaker Bronislaw Komorowski read: 'It is with the deepest sorrow that I have learnt of the death of President Lech Kaczynski and First Lady Madame Kaczynska.

'On this sad occasion I recall President Kaczynski's long and distinguished public service and his role in the Solidarity movement.

'The deaths of many other of Poland's leading figures, including former President in Exile Kaczorowski, only serve to deepen this tragedy.

'I send my deepest sympathy to you and to the whole Polish nation.'

The Prince of Wales - who went to Poland on a royal visit last month - also sent an official message of condolence to Warsaw today.

In a statement, Clarence House said: 'The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall are shocked and deeply upset by the tragic death of Polish President Lech Kaczynski, Madame Kaczynski and many others at Smolensk airport this morning.

'As guests of the President and his wife only a few weeks ago, their Royal Highnesses experienced at first hand their generous hospitality during what was a very memorable and enjoyable visit to Poland.

'The Prince and Duchess's thoughts and prayers are with the President's family, the loved ones of those killed, and all Polish people on this tragic day.'

Prime Minister Gordon Brown paid tribute to Kaczynski while on the campaign trail in his home constituency of Kirkcaldy.

'I think the whole world will be saddened and in sorrow as a result of the tragic death in a plane crash of President Kaczynski and his wife Maria and the party that were with them,' he said.

'We know the difficulties that Poland has gone through, the sacrifices that he himself made as part of the Solidarity movement.

'We know the contribution he made to the independence and the freedom of Poland.

'I think at a time like this we also remember a family in mourning and large numbers of people who died and a whole country that will be shocked and saddened by what has happened.

'I have met President Kaczynski on a few occasions, I have talked with him recently.

'I think every leader around the world will be sending their sympathies to the people of Poland.'

Tory leader David Cameron expressed his sadness at the news, saying it was a "very black day for Poland".

Scores of senior figures from the Polish government and military are also believed to have died in the crash near the city of Smolensk in Russia this morning.

'I knew President Kaczynski personally,' Mr Cameron told reporters on the campaign trail.

'He was a very brave Polish patriot who stood up for freedom.

'He suffered hugely under communism and always stood up for his beliefs, and for his great faith in his country.

'It's a huge loss. It's a very black day for Poland indeed, and we must be thinking of all those who have suffered.'

The president and his wife were on their way to a memorial service for the victims of the Katyn massacre which, in 1940, saw thousands of Polish prisoners of war murdered (primarily military officers), intellectuals, policemen, and other public servants by the Soviet NKVD.

Polish-Russian relations had been improving of late after being poisoned for decades over the Katyn massacre.

Russia never has formally apologized for the murders of some 22,000 Polish officers, but Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's decision to attend a memorial ceremony earlier this week in the forest near Katyn was seen as a gesture of goodwill toward reconciliation.

The presidential Tu-154 was at least 20 years old. Polish officials have long discussed replacing the planes that carry the country's leaders but said they lacked the funds.

According to the Aviation Safety Network, there have been 66 crashes involving Tu-154s, including six in the past five years. The Russian carrier Aeroflot recently withdrew its Tu-154 fleet from service.

Kaczynski, 60, became president in December 2005 after defeating Tusk in that year's presidential vote.

The nationalist conservative was the twin brother of Poland's opposition leader, former Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

Kaczynski had said he would seek a second term in presidential elections this fall. He was expected to face an uphill struggle against Parliament speaker Bronislaw Komorowski, the candidate of Tusk's governing Civic Platform party.

According to the constitution, Komorowski would take over presidential duties.

Piotr Winczorek, law professor and constitutional expert, said: 'The speaker of the parliament takes over presidential responsibilities. In fact, Bronislaw Komorowski should already take the office.

'The speaker has two weeks to announce new presidential election and they have to take place within two months from the announcement. There is no room for manoeuvre here.

'The constitution says the central bank governor is named by the president and approved by the parliament. The parliament is incomplete at the moment and should be filled before the central bank governor is named.'

Jacek Wasilewski, professor at SWPS (Higher School of Social Psychology), added: 'The political consequences will be long term and possibly will change the entire future landscape of Polish politics.

'Of course Law and Justice has taken the greatest blow from this event, but it does not make Civic Platform's life any easier. It is hard to be opposed to someone who suffered such a great loss.

'I don't think the political calendar will change much as it pretty much set by the Polish law. I cannot imagine postponement or cancellation of the Presidential and local elections.'

Poland, a nation of 38 million people, is by far the largest of the 10 formerly communist countries that have joined the European Union in recent years.

Last year, Poland was the only EU nation to avoid recession and posted economic growth of 1.7 percent.

It has become a firm U.S. ally in the region since the fall of communism - a stance that crosses party lines.

The country sent troops to the U.S.-led war in Iraq and recently boosted its contingent in Afghanistan to some 2,600 soldiers.

U.S. Patriot missiles are expected to be deployed in Poland this year. That was a Polish condition for a 2008 deal - backed by both Kaczynski and Tusk - to host long-range missile defence interceptors.
The deal, which was struck by the Bush administration, angered Russia and was later reconfigured under President Barack Obama's administration.

Under the Obama plan, Poland would host a different type of missile defence interceptors as part of a more mobile system and at a later date, probably not until 2018.
Kaczynski is the first serving Polish leader to die since exiled World War II-era leader Gen. Wladyslaw Sikorski in a plane crash off Gibraltar in 1943.

U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said on Saturday: 'This is a horrible tragedy for Poland and we extend to the people of Poland our deepest condolences.'
Neighbouring Germany's foreign minister, Guido Westerwelle, said he was "shocked and full of sadness" at Kaczynski's death.
'All the German people are mourning with our Polish neighbours,' Westerwelle said during a visit to South Africa.
World leaders pay tribute .... Listed on link

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...ish-president-crashes-Russia.html


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHY IN THE WORLD WERE SO MANY TOP LEVEL PEOPLE ALL ON THE SAME PLANE?  I HAVE WORKED FOR COMPANIES THAT HAD A POLICY THAT NO MORE THAN 2 EXECUTIVES COULD BE BOOKED ON THE SAME FLIGHT.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:11 pm    Post subject: IS GOD PUNISHING ALL EUROPE ? Reply with quote

TRUMAN, we all have that question.   My most innocent guess is  - budget.

My belief is - a plot.
I expect Russia to move in immediately to .. cough ...  'help.'

Poland was one of the countries that they were going to set up the missile defense shield in and that Russia was very opposed to it.

Yeah pappa, I dont think we will wait long before we see ... something.

APRIL  18th
The NEWS of this plane crash assassination - by Russia? .. or by NATO? - is inseparable from the Icelandic volcano erupting, ash grounds UK flights

IS GOD PUNISHING ALL EUROPE ?
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about513.html

NATO members
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:11 am    Post subject: Poland president Kaczynski was Friend of Israel Reply with quote

Poland president Kaczynski was Friend of Israel
Israelis pay their respects at Polish embassy


"Kaczynski was a great friend to the Jewish people.
It's very symbolic that he died a day before the eve of the Holocaust Remembrance Day
."
Many place memorial candles, flowers in Tel Aviv embassy building in memory of Polish President Lech Kaczynski
and senior officials who died in tragic plane crash

A day after Poland's presidential plane carrying President Lech Kaczynski and many of the country's
political and military elite crashed in Russia, many Israelis arrived at the Polish Embassy in Tel Aviv to show their support for the people of Poland.

Memorial candles and flowers were placed at the building's entrance, as well as a note from "the Tel Aviv neighbors."
Several embassy clerks also arrived at the site. The Polish flag was flown at half-mast.

Urshala Lavdonska, a polish immigrant who made aliyah three years ago, placed flowers and lit candles at the site. "It's very sad. Kaczynski was a president we all loved," she said.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3874197,00.html
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/...tPreview/1,2506,L-3873804,00.html

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:39 am    Post subject: Russia begins probe into Polish president's death Reply with quote

Russia begins probe into Polish president's death

Russia says Prime Minister Vladimir Putin will personally head the investigation into an aeroplane crash that killed Poland's president.
A total of 96 people were on board the plane that crashed near the western Russian city of Smolensk, all of whom are believed to be dead.

Polish president Lech Kaczynski was on board the Russian-built Tupolev 154 jet when it went down in heavy fog near a military airport.
Russian authorities have already said they suspect pilot error in the crash, near Smolensk, in Western Russia.

There are reports the jet made several attempted landings before the crash.
Also on board were leading members of Poland's political elite, including the army chief of staff and the governor of the central bank.
Poland's acting head of state has declared a week of mourning.

"We are united - there is no [political] left or right - we are united in national mourning," said Bronislaw Komorowski, Poland's parliamentary speaker who took charge of presidential duties after Mr Kaczynski's death.

Blackbox found

Authorities have found one of the flight recorders of the plane, news agencies reported.

"One of the flight recorders has been found at the scene of the crash,"
the Interfax news agency quoted a regional government source as saying.

The RIA-Novosti news agency reported that a dirt-covered orange device shown in television footage at the crash scene
was a flight recorder from the Tu-154 jet.
Such recorders are often called "black boxes" and are used to reconstruct the chain of events that led to a crash.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/storie...0/04/10/2869413.htm?section=world

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:29 am    Post subject: Kaczynski battled communism Reply with quote

Kaczynski battled communism
Poland President Lech Kaczynski was a battler.
He was a fervent Catholic who battled communism during the Cold War and matured into a staunchly conservative politician
.

April 11, 2010  -  By Jeffrey Fleishman
Kaczynski and his identical twin, Jaroslaw, rose to the top of Polish politics in 2005 when their Law and Justice Party swept to power. With Lech as president and his brother as prime minister, the snowy-haired siblings with boyish faces led their country to the right.

Despite Poland's membership in the European Union, Lech Kaczynski was adamant that Warsaw not become entangled in continental politics and bureaucracy. His close alliance with the United States agitated European leaders, especially during the George W. Bush administration, which was deeply unpopular in much of Europe.

The Cold War left a deep imprint on Kaczynski, who until his death at 60 remained suspicious of Moscow's ambitions in Eastern Europe and Central Asia. He supported democracy movements in Ukraine and Georgia, and believed that expanding the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to former republics of the Soviet Union and its onetime satellites was a crucial deterrent to any Russian aggression.

At home, Kaczynski, who was mayor of Warsaw before becoming president, sought to expose former communists and cleanse what he and his brother regarded as pervasive liberalism. He took a hard line against homosexuality and often assailed salacious magazines and TV shows.

His critics regarded him as a politically dangerous mix of Polish nationalism and religious conservatism. But for many Poles, remembering his courageous stand with Solidarity leader Lech Walesa and others in the movement that challenged Poland's communist regime, Kaczynski was a touchstone of the post-World War II era.

Supporters believed his policies were what a proud yet insecure Poland needed to emerge as a strong political voice between Western Europe and Warsaw's onetime master. But Kaczynski was expected to have to fight hard for reelection this year.

Born June 18, 1949, in Warsaw, the Kaczynski twins came to public attention in the 1960s as mischievous boys in the allegorical film "The Two Who Stole the Moon."
Their family history was replete with stories of Polish bravery.
Their father was a fighter with the Polish resistance during World War II; their mother nursed wounded soldiers.

In the 1970s, the brothers joined the anti-communist underground and later Walesa's Solidarity movement. Kaczynski was not a charismatic speaker, but his steely disdain for the communist era and populist sound bites won over much of the country.

"We must turn the state around to face its citizens," he said during his campaign for the presidency. "The scale of the repair will be so great that Poland will become a new republic."
His brother stepped down as prime minister in 2007 but remains chairman of the Law and Justice Party.
Kaczynski's wife, Maria, an economist, died with him in the crash.
The couple is survived by their daughter.
http://www.latimes.com/news/obitu...-obit11-2010apr11,0,7708093.story



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