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Zechariah 12  New International Version
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Jerusalem’s Enemies to Be Destroyed

1  This is the word of the Lord concerning Israel. The Lord, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the spirit of man within him, declares:

2  “I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem.

3  On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves.

4  On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness,” declares the Lord. “I will keep a watchful eye over the house of Judah, but I will blind all the horses of the nations.

5  Then the leaders of Judah will say in their hearts, ‘The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God.’

6  On that day I will make the leaders of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among sheaves. They will consume right and left all the surrounding peoples, but Jerusalem will remain intact in her place.

7  The Lord will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem’s inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah.

8  On that day the Lord will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David,
and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the Lord going before them.

9  On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.

Mourning for the One They Pierced

10  And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirita of grace and supplication. They will look onb me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

11  On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be great, like the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.

12  The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives,

13  the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, and all the rest of the clans and their wives.

Zechariah 13  Cleansing From Sin

1  On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity.

2  On that day, I will banish the names of the idols from the land, and they will be remembered no more,” declares the Lord Almighty. “I will remove both the prophets and the spirit of impurity from the land.

3  And if anyone still prophesies, his father and mother, to whom he was born, will say to him, ‘You must die, because you have told lies in the Lord’s name.’ When he prophesies, his own parents will stab him.

4  On that day every prophet will be ashamed of his prophetic vision. He will not put on a prophet’s garment of hair in order to deceive.

5  He will say, ‘I am not a prophet. I am a farmer; the land has been my livelihood since my youth.a’

6  If someone asks him, ‘What are these wounds on your body?’ he will answer,
‘The wounds I was given at the house of my friends.’

The Shepherd Struck, the Sheep Scattered

7  Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, against the man who is close to me!” declares the Lord Almighty.

Strike the shepherd,and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn my hand against the little ones.

8  In the whole land, declares the Lord, two-thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one-third will be left in it.

9  This third I will bring into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold.

They will call on my name and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’
and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”

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Zechariah 14  New International Version

The Lord Comes and Reigns

1  A day of the Lord is coming when your plunder will be divided among you.

2  I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

3  Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle.

4  On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.

5  You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquakea in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

6  On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost.

7  It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime—a day known to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light.

8  On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea,c in summer and in winter.

9  The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.

10  The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up and remain in its place, from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses.

11  It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.


12  This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem:
Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets,
and their tongues will rot in their mouths.

13  On that day men will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. Each man will seize the hand of another, and they will attack each other.

14  Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing.

15  A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.

16  Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

17  If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain.

18  If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lordd will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

19  This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

20  On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar.

21  Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord Almighty.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zechariah 13
8  In the whole land, declares the Lord, two-thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one-third will be left in it.

9  This third I will bring into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold.

They will call on my name and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’
and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”

One common difficulty in interpreting many of the prophecies is differentiating between Israel and Judah.  We have a tendency to interchange the two, when in reality many times the prophecy is referring to different groupings within the original tribes of Israel.  You may note that Zechariah 12 initially is referring to "Israel" which were the northern tribes where Zacharias 13 is specifically referring to Judah, "the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem."  Usually prophecies directed at Jerusalem (not the"New Jerusalem".), is referring to Judah which would include the tribes of Benjamin in part of Levi.

With that said, I find it quite interesting to correlate Zechariah 13:8-9 with a quote from Dr. Stephen Jones that I posted on the following thread:

Jerusalem's Rebellion, Redemption, Restoration

Babylon's Responsibility and Failure--Part 3
"The primary false assumption they made was that the Jews were Israel. No, the Jews are the descendants of THREE nations that are important in biblical prophecy. The first is Judah, from which the term "Jew" is derived. The second is Esau-Edom, which was absorbed into the Jewish nation in 126 B.C. by forcible conversion. The third is Gog and Magog, that is the Khazar-Jewish people of southern Russia and Eastern Europe."

"This third group of people converted to Judaism about 740 A.D., and the Jewish Encyclopedia has much to say about them. Likewise, Jewish author, Arthur Koestler, devoted an entire book about them."
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From Jerry Golden in ISRAEL
Aug 20, 2010  
Anti Semitism in Europe is becoming so bad that Jews live in fear in many countries.
If the war begins soon,  as I believe it will, the airports in Israel will be closed.
I personally do not believe Israel will attack Iran before the 21st.  The consequences would be to kick off a world war,
and Israel does not want to be held responsible for that. Conversely, neither do we want to just sit here and wait for a
nuclear weapon to be developed.  It is not just Israel which is under dire threat.
The whole world seems to be going to hell in a handbasket.  

Gilo ISRAEL Security Wall Comes Tumbling Down - for Now
The IDF has begun removing the wall which was put up in 2001 in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Gilo when it came under intense near-daily rifle attacks from the adjacent Arab neighborhood of Beit Jalla. Israel National News TV was on the scene Sunday and spoke with the IDF representative and local residents.

"We were approached by the Jerusalem municipality, which requested that we remove this wall," explained IDF Home Front Command's Brig.-Gen. Chezi Revivo. "After a professional assessment of the current situation at the IDF Home Front Command, the Home Front commander issued the dismantling order."

One of the local residents told Israel National News TV that he is very scared now that the wall is being removed: "It must not be moved now! Do you think that they're not waiting for this? Tomorrow morning there will be firing towards here, and when that happens and someone dies, we'll talk again."

However, the head of the local administration of the neighborhood chose to express complete support in the act: "When the security authorities decided that it was necessary [to put it up], we were behind them," he said, "and when they now decide that it can be removed, we continue to back them up and believe in them."

And what will be if, G-d forbid, the attacks are renewed? The IDF will not be putting these cement pieces too far away, in case of need. "We're trying to keep everything in order, according to how it was placed here," explained Brig.-Gen. Revivo, "but we of course hope that we won't need to put this puzzle back together."
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blow a trumpet in Zion, sound an alarm on My holy mountain!
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, For the Day of the LORD is coming, Surely it is near!
A day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick Darkness.
Yet even now, declares the LORD, Return to Me with all your heart, And with fasting, weeping and mourning.
Joel 2

Isaiah 13 and the End Times
Revive Israel it is written  By Eddie Santoro, Asher Intrater

The Second Coming of Yeshua is a central event of New Covenant prophecy.
It is also central to the Hebrew prophets of the Old Covenant, but is often overlooked because it is called by a different name:
"The great and terrible day of YHVH." By re-establishing the connection between these two terms,
we will see a better consistency of the prophecies from the Old Covenant to the New.
A clearer understanding will emerge about the events of the end times.

1 The Book of Revelation describes the Second Coming primarily from the perspective of the spiritual battle between angels and demons
Revelation 12:7, 19:11

2 The Book of Joel describes the perspective primarily on the prayer, repentance and revival leading up to the Second Coming
Joel 1:14; 2:12, 28

3 The Book of Zechariah describes the end times' battle primarily from the perspective of the battle of all the nations against Jerusalem
Zechariah 12:2, 9; 14:2-3, 12

4 The book of Ezekiel describes restoration in Israel (Ezekiel 36), resurrection of the dead (Ezekiel 37),
the great war of Gog and Magog (Ezekiel 38-39), and the millennial Temple and kingdom
Ezekiel 40-48

5  In Yeshua's discourse about the end times on the Mount of Olives, He quoted freely from Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, and Zechariah (Matthew 24:29-31).
Isaiah chapter 13 is often overlooked as an end times' prophecy. However, it is also describing the time of the Second Coming:

Isaiah 13:6 – Wail for the day of YHVH is close; it will come as destruction from Shaddai. Isaiah 13:9
Behold the day of YHVH is coming; cruel with wrath and anger.
Isaiah 13:13   …in the anger of YHVH of armies and in the day of His burning wrath

The perspective of Isaiah 13 is the destruction of the forces of "Babylon," quite parallel to the destruction of "Babylon" as described in Revelation 17 – 18.  
Isaiah describes his prophetic burden against Babel (Isaiah 13:1).
(Babel and Babylon are the same in Hebrew.) He describes how the skies will be darkened (Isaiah 13:10).
The world will be punished for its evil doing (Isaiah 13:11).

A horrible war will take place with many people killed (13:15). People will flee back to their home countries ( Isaiah13:14).
Fire will be poured out as in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (Isaiah 13:19).
These events will take place at the same time that Israel is restored as a nation, both spiritually and physically.

Isaiah 14:1 – For YHVH will have mercy on Jacob and choose Israel once again, and set them back in their own land.
And the stranger [or, convert, sojourner] will be joined to them and be attached to the house of Jacob.

Parallel to Romans 11, this verse describes not only the restoration of Israel,
but also a group of people from the nations of the world who will become spiritual partners with Israel.
This can only be the end times' Church coming into its place of partnership with Israel and being "grafted in to the Olive tree" of Israel (Romans 11:17-21).

This restoration of Israel to her calling and the partnership with the international Church will lead to the final defeat of Satan at the Second Coming of Yeshua.  
Isaiah 14:12 15 – How you have fallen from heaven, Lucifer, son of the morning! You will be brought down to hell to the lower sides of the pit.

I was sent this Email by Word from Yerushalaim (Jerusalem) June 2012
Yeshua  -  Jesus Christ

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Jun 13, 2013  EXCERPTS
Syria about to attack Israel

Syria (with Russia), is about to initiate a full-on frontal assault against Israel
- To unite the Syrian people
- To galvanize the Islamic world against Israel
- Then an all out war against the West/America

World-wide chaos and economic collapse would result
America is already surrounded (and occupied) by foreign forces ready to slaughter millions of Americans.

The UN who HATE Americans would rule the American Heartland.
Russian offer of troops between Syria - Israel is the prelude to Ezekiel 37 - 39.

Syria is a diversion to the Coup taking place within America Right Now!
Should George Washingtons 1777 vision prove true, America will survive, but never again as a global power.
Watch the next 6 months.

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Gate to Hell discovered in Turkey, the Antichrist Neighborhood
A recent archeological discovery in western Turkey may hold a prophetic hint as to the nation from which the Antichrist will someday burst forth onto the world scene.
Archeologists have uncovered the ancient gate to hell, an ancient pagan temple known as Plutos Gate, the cave that was believed to be the portal to Hades, in Greco-Roman mythology.

The cave emitted a thick vapor that would kill any who came into contact with it.
We could see the caves lethal properties during the excavation.
Several birds died as they tried to get close to the warm opening, instantly killed by the carbon dioxide fumes.
Some students of prophecy have noted the similarity of the gate to hell to the Abyss as described in the book of Revelation:

When the angel opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace.
The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions.  Revelation 9:2-3

What is more interesting about this find as it relates to biblical prophecy is the fact that the gate was discovered in modern-day Pamukkale, Turkey, known in ancient times as Hierapolis aka Magog.
In fact, it was specifically this ancient Turkish-Magog connection that informed the understanding of a wide range of Jewish and Christian theologians concerning the region from which the armies of Gog and Magog would descend into the land of Israel.

Gog and Magog, according to the biblical prophet Ezekiel, are armies of the final antagonists of the Jewish people, who would invade the land of Israel just prior to the return of Jesus.

While many prophecy teachers today hold to the idea that the Battle of Gog of Magog is a preliminary and distinct battle from the final Battle of Armageddon, this belief is actually a relatively new minority view within church history.

Both Christian and Jewish theologians have long looked for the Antichristian armies of Gog of Magog to come from the land of Turkey.
A Jewish sage identified Magog as being on the border of Syria and Turkey.

Some believe that Gog was another title of the Antichrist.
Islam, the religion of the Turks, a term used to refer to Muslims in general, was the religion of the Antichrist.
Some believe Gog and Magog are names of demons (principalities and powers - Ephesians 6).
Some Jews actually said George Bush Sr was Gog and Bush Jr was Magog.
Hierapolis, or Magog, is due north from Judea, according to Ezekiel.

John Wesley Explanatory Notes on Ezekiel 38 and 39 identified the hoards of Gog and Magog with the Antichristian forces who would come from the region of Turkey.

Scofield viewed the oracle of Gog of Magog in Ezekiel 38 and 39 as speaking of the Battle of Armageddon. Scofield said That destruction should fall at the climax of the last mad attempt to exterminate the remnant of Israel in Jerusalem. The whole prophecy belongs to the yet future day of Jehovah (Isaiah 2:10-22; Revelation 19:11-21) and to the Battle of Armageddon of Revelation 16:14.

Messianic Jewish expositor Charles Lee Feinberg states, The armies of Ezekiel chapter 38-39 would appear to be included in the universal confederacies seen in Zechariah 12 and 14.

Ryrie Study Bible views Gog and his hordes as one with the Antichrist and his armies.
It certainly seems appropriate that Turkey is the home to the mythological location of the ancient gateway to hell.

Joel Richardson makes case for Gog/Magog coming from modern-day Turkey

Judging by the irrational wicked bullying of the current Turkey PM Erdogan, I'd say YES, I AGREE.

TURKEY Greatest MidEast Threat

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My random thoughts on Gog and Magog and some findings on the internet.

Gog is the chief prince of Meshech (Moscow Russia?) and Tubal (Turkey).
Gog may be Satan, the devil, the old serpent himself.  Ephesians 6 talks about spiritual warfare among demon entities.
The meaning of Chief prince here is demon, like a general in Satans army.

A few years ago the Rabbis in Israel said we are now in the time of Jacobs troubles - which Christians call the Tribulation.
GOD changed Jacobs name to Israel.
These Rabbis called Presidents George H.W. Bush and his son George W. Bush Gog and Magog.

Magog is one of the sons of Japheth the son of Noe/Noah.
Japheth mentioned in Genesis 9 and 10
The sons of Noah: Shem, Ham and Japheth. 1 Chronicles 1:4

Gog - Magog
Gog allies are Meshech and Tubal, Persia (Iran), Cush (Sudan or Ethiopia) and Put (Libya), and Gomer and Beth Togarmah from the far north.
Several of these are Turkey.
Cush (Sudan or Ethiopia) and Put (Libya) are sons of Ham according to Genesis 10.
A number of Rabbis I have spoken to say the north is Turkey.  Makes sense as Turkey has risen since 2010 as a terror nation.

Middle East virus called MERS
New SARS-like mideast virus kills again.  
Is MERS one of the promised pestilence curses of the enemies of God and Israel in Ezekiel 38?
MERS, (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome) coronavirus.
Why didnt they just call it the Magog virus?

The Lord GOD declared - When Gog (Russia and/or Turkey) comes against the land of Israel,
My fury will mount up in My anger. In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that Day
there will surely be a great earthquake in Israel.
With pestilence and with blood I will enter into judgment with him; and I will rain on him
with hailstones, fire and brimstone. And so I will show My greatness and My holiness, and
I will make Myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I AM The LORD.

Excerpted from Ezekiel 38

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My notes, based on a Perry Stone sermon
Who or what is Gog? There are two battles in the Bible where these names appear.
One is the battle of Ezekiel 38 and 39 and the other is one thousand years later for the last battle of all time mentioned in Revelation.

The upper Golan Heights will be one of the scenes of the Ezekiel 38 and 39 battle.
Damascus is half hour from Golan

Israel has to be a nation. It happens on the mountains of Israel.
Israel must be dwelling safely. Except for the areas of Gaza Israel is a safe place to be.
The Jews must dwell in a land of unwalled villages. There is now no walled cities as there were in ancient times.

List of nations that are enemies of Israel mentioned in Ezekiel.  
Persia (Iran), Ethiopia which includes Sudan and Ethiopia, Gomer, Togarmah and the North Quarters.
These countries were once pro-western. They have now become fanatics who want death to Israel and death to America.
Some type of weaponry that would pollute the land for 7 months. See Ezekiel 39. The weapons will probably be chemical or biological.

Ezekiel 38:2-3
Son of man, set thy face against God, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal and prophesy against him, and say,
Thus saith the Lord God; Behold I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

And I will turn thee back and put hooks in your jaws, And I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen,
all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords.

Nobody rides horses into war these days? Oh yes, they do. Ben Ladin and the Mujah Hadeen in Afghanistan fought on horseback.

If an EMP (electro magnetic pulse) is used, it will knock out power and only horses and using old-fashioned methods will work.

Gog is mentioned 9 times in Scripture. I Chronicles 5:4 it is the name of a man.

Either Gog is a person who heads up the battle or
Gog is the land area where the enemies of Israel are or
Gog is some kind of an evil spirit being, fallen angel, demon general

GOG is a demonic spirit or what is called a principality. Here’s why:
Ephesians 6:12  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

In the Bible there are demonic spirits called principalities that rule over nations and provinces.

In Daniel 10:13, 20 the prince of Persia is mentioned.
Michael, the arch angel over Israel, fights him to get the answer to Daniels prayer through. The prince of Greecia is also mentioned.
These princes of nations answer directly to Satan.
Michael answers only to God Almighty.

Evidence of how angels rule over territories. Zechariah 6.  Angels over 4 corners of the earth.
There are beings that control the North, South, East and West quarters of the earth.

There are 4 angels bound in the Euphrates River which are loosed in the Tribulation period.
Revelation 9:14-15

Ephesians 6:12. There are 4 types of spirits in Satans kingdom.
In Daniel 10 they rule over provinces, kingdoms and nations.

GOG is a very powerful wicked spirit ruling in Satan’s kingdom of a region of the world.


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