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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:45 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

http://news.msn.com/world/a-scottish-yes-also-means-exit-from-eu-nato
A Scottish 'Yes' also means exit from EU, NATO
9/15/14

BRUSSELS (AP) — If Scottish voters this week say Yes to independence, not only will they tear up the map of Great Britain, they'll shake the twin pillars of Western Europe's postwar prosperity and security — the European Union and the U.S.-led NATO defense alliance.

In breaking away from the rest of the United Kingdom, Scotland would automatically find itself outside both the EU and NATO, and have to reapply to join both, officials from those Brussels-based organizations have stressed.

For the EU especially, Scottish re-entry could be a long and arduous process, with other countries dead set against letting the Scots retain the privileges awarded Britain: the so-called opt-outs from being required to use the euro single currency and to join the multination Schengen zone where internal border controls have been scrapped.

For NATO's admirals and generals, the current Scottish government's insistence on a sovereign Scotland becoming free of nuclear weapons would pose enormous strategic and operational headaches, even if a transitional grace period were agreed on. A new home port would have to be found for the Royal Navy's four Trident missile-carrying submarines and their thermonuclear warheads, currently based on the Clyde.

This "risks undermining the collective defense and deterrence of NATO allies," Britain's Ministry of Defense has said. In what might be read as a warning to the Scots, the ministry has said a nuclear-free stance could constitute a "significant" hurdle to Scotland being allowed back into NATO.

Until Scotland rejoined the alliance, to which it's belonged with the rest of Britain for 65 years, new arrangements would also need to be found to patrol vital shipping routes in the North Atlantic and North Sea. If Scotland were to choose not to rejoin, it would pose a conundrum for NATO for which there is no real precedent: what to do following the loss of a developed, democratically governed part of alliance territory that has opted for neutrality, said Daniel Troup, research analyst at the NATO Council of Canada.

Emergence of a new Western European country of 5 million inhabitants with roughly the land area of the Czech Republic or the U.S. state of Maine or would also set in motion political and social forces whose effects are impossible to predict. Because of British voting patterns, the political groups in England, Wales and Northern Ireland that are seeking Britain's exit from the European Union would become proportionately stronger in Parliament.

Meanwhile, on the continent, from Catalonia in Spain to the Dutch-speaking Flemish areas of Belgium, other European peoples that do not have their own states would likely be emboldened to follow the Scots' example.

Loss of Scotland would also weaken the influence of Britain inside the 28-nation European Union. For the moment, the British, along with the Germans and French, constitute the trade bloc's Big Three. Without Scotland's population, Britain would drop to No. 4, behind Italy.

That would mean fewer British members of the European Parliament, as well as a reduced say in population-weighted decision-making in the EU's executive.

"In the European Union, size matters," said Almut Moeller, an EU expert at the German Council on Foreign Relations. "It will be a rump United Kingdom."

This would have major policy implications. A whittled-down Britain would have a weaker hand in pressing for the kind of EU it favors: more of a free market, and less of a political union.

Simultaneously, said Professor Richard G. Whitman, director of the Global Europe Center at the University of Kent, politicians and civil servants in London would be "massively preoccupied" for years in disentangling England from Scotland, following more than three centuries of political and economic unity.

The result would be "a much-reduced bandwidth for defending a more liberalistic agenda" in Europe, Whitman said, including the proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership between the EU and the United States.

Under both NATO and EU rules, any existing member could blackball Scotland's application for admission, and some might find domestic political cause to do so. Spain, for example, might want to discourage independence-minded Catalans. For the English, divvying up the common assets with the Scots might turn as acrimonious as a Hollywood divorce, Whitman said.

If Scotland sought special arrangements while trying to get back into the European Union, that could provide a wedge for other countries to demand renegotiation of their own terms of membership, and calls to revise the treaties that are EU's constitutional basis, Moeller said. Germany, the bloc's richest and most influential nation, would be adamantly against that, she said.

A dissenting prediction comes from a Swedish expert on the EU. The 18-month interlude between Thursday's vote and the start date of actual Scottish independence would be enough to allow the Scots and EU to negotiate a deal so that on the very day it became a country, Scotland could seamlessly become an EU member in its own right, said Niklas Bremberg, a research fellow at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs.

The most fateful consequence of a Scottish vote in favor of independence could be very close to home: in neighboring England. The English have already soured sufficiently on the European Union to the extent that in the March elections for the European Parliament, they cast more votes for the anti-EU UKIP party than any other.

Fabian Zuleeg, chief executive of the European Policy Center, a Brussels-based think tank, predicted the Scots this Thursday could set an example of sorts_for the English.

"The exit of Scotland from the UK would increase the chances of the exit of the UK from the EU," Zuleeg said.
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It Would Be Impossible for an Independent Scotland to Establish a Sovereign Oil Fund
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwo...to-establish-a-sovereign-oil-fund

Subsea Oil and Gas Companies in SCOTLAND
http://www.subsea.org/company/allbycountry.asp?qcountry=SCOTLAND
http://www.oilofscotland.org


Scotland Independence would not be favorable for policy toward Israel
If Scotland votes YES, the foreign policy is not likely to be favorable for Israel, siad Paul Morron, president of the Glasgow Jewish Representative Council.
This is so good.  I felt Scots should vote NO but unsure why.  This is my answer.
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-New...e-for-policy-toward-Israel-375558

VOTE NO!


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voting today Sept 18, 2014  
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29238890

LIGHTS MAP
http://rt.com/uk/188404-scottish-referendum-live-updates

Voting today
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29238890
http://www.scotlandnews.net
http://www.scotsman.com/news

YES vote will fail
Polls Predict Scotland's Independence Vote Will Fail - See more at:
http://www.scotlandnews.net/index.php/sid/225817169

The vote - As it happens
http://www.scotsman.com/scottish-independence

LIVE
http://www.scotsman.com/scottish-independence/live

Voters turn out in droves
http://www.scotsman.com/news/poli...ters-turn-out-in-droves-1-3545762
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


CNN is using Commie Core math     Laughing


Scotland votes -NO! - to independence in referendum
Sept 19, 2014


Yes: 1,617,989 (45%)
No: 2,001,926 (55%)
Turnout: 84.5%


Dundee, Glasgow N Lanarkshire, W Dunbartonshire said Yes.
Everywhere else voted No.
Highland a No.
Yes: 78,069 / No: 87,739.

Scotland has voted to stay in the United Kingdom after voters decisively rejected independence.
The "No" side won with 2,001,926 votes over 1,617,989 for "Yes".

Smile  Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond accepted the defeat and called for national unity, and urged the unionist parties to deliver on more powers.

UK PM David Cameron was delighted the UK would remain together and said the commitments on extra powers would be honoured.  Mr Cameron said the 3 main unionist parties at Westminster would now follow through with their pledge of more powers for the Scottish Parliament.

Lord Smith of Kelvin would oversee the process to take forward the commitments, with new powers over tax, spending and welfare to be agreed by November, and draft legislation published by January.

The prime minister also acknowledged that the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland must have a bigger say over their affairs.  And he promised a resolution to the West Lothian question, the fact that Scottish MPs can vote on English issues at Westminster.

In other developments:

The pound hit highs against the euro and US dollar, as Scotland voted against independence.
Royal Bank of Scotland said it would keep its headquarters in Scotland following the "No" vote.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-29270441
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29238890
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014...independence-referendum-837898067


What happens now?
For now, that means it will continue to form an integral part of the UK - but for Scottish devolution, the process of granting powers from Westminster to the Scottish parliament, it's far from business as usual.

The focus will now be on how the UK government delivers its promise of more powers for the Scottish parliament, based at Holyrood, Edinburgh.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29252899
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Alex Salmond resigns hours after Scotland votes no to independence
9/18/14    Alex Salmond announces he is resigning as Scotland's First Minister after independence defeat
   It came after the 'No' campaign secured 55% of the vote with Mr Salmond's Yes to independence camp achieving 45%
   Long-serving deputy Nicola Sturgeon tipped to take over SNP leadership when Mr Salmond steps down in November

   The Queen tonight said it was a result 'that all of us throughout the United Kingdom will respect'
   In her first remarks since the result was announced she urged all sides of the debate to put aside their differences
   She said: 'We should remember we have in common an enduring love of Scotland which helps to unite us all'

   Total turnout was 84.5% topping 90% in pro-Union areas but dipping to the mid-70s in key Yes working-class areas    
   Yes wins in Dundee, Glasgow, North Lanarkshire and West Dunbartonshire, but fell short by 384,935 votes
   David Cameron addressed the nation this morning vowing to introduce 'English votes for English laws'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...referendum-results-announced.html
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ind...tml;_ylt=A0SO8oebASNUes0A37JXNyoA
9/24/14
An Independence Vote-Rigging Conspiracy Theory Is Sweeping Scotland
9/24/14

An  online petition  demanding a revote in the Scottish independence referendum is now at almost 100,000 signatures as vote rigging conspiracies continue to gain momentum among disappointed pro-independence campaigners.

It didn't take long for accusations of voting irregularities to start swirling after Scotland voted "No" to independence on September 18th. In the aftermath of the result, pro-independence Yes campaigners have taken to social media in large numbers to complain about reported incidents of vote fraud and demand a return to the polls.

The accusations come despite First Minister Alex Salmond, leader of the Yes campaign, calling on pro-independence supporters to "accept the democratic decision." Mary Pitcaithly, the chief counting officer for the referendum, also refuted accusations of irregularities claiming that both camps had been happy with how the vote was carried out (emphasis added):

The chief counting officer is satisfied that all counts throughout Scotland were properly conducted and scrutinized by thousands of people representing both the Yes Scotland and the Better Together campaigns, as well as international election observers, media and police. None of these people raised any concerns during the verification, counting and adjudication stages.

Those demanding a recount, however, remain unconvinced. They cite Russian election observers that raised concerns that the results were "rigged" and point to videos that appear to show votes being shifted from Yes piles into No.

Responding to the claims, Pitcaithly says it appears that the women in the video " has put some papers on a pile by mistake and is then putting them right" and suggested that the " video is looped so it is deceptive in its presentation."

So far, her rebuttals and Salmond's intervention have failed to quell the calls for a recount. At the time of writing over 90,000 people have signed the e-petition at change.org. As one pro-independence blogger put it:

We believe that it is only a matter of time before the fullness of the truth comes out. There can be no doubt that the count was a fraud.
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I will bless those who bless you (ISRAEL), and whoever curses you I will curse.
Genesis 12  Supporting Palestinians is cursing Israel.


Sad  Scotland goes Nazi

Stop arming Israel!  
Pro-Palestinian activists in Glasgow have gained access to Thales, a leading multinational defence company with links to an Israeli drone manufacturer.
Thales UK is working with Elbit Systems to make drones.
Activists climbed on the roof while others blocked the factory doors, hung banners condemning UK involvement with Israel.
Thales UK has come under heavy criticism in the past for its association with the Israeli defence forces.
http://rt.com/uk/190004-palestine-protest-elbit-israel


Palestine friends of Satan will all go to hell.  GOD is for Israel and against Palestinian Muslim terrorists.
I was concerned Scotland would go NAZI if they voted for independence.
Well - here is some proof.
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Dreamliner makes emergency landing in Scotland
Sept 26, 2014
Boeing 787 Dreamliner jet was forced to make an emergency landing at Glasgow Airport after a fire alert.  Emergency services assessed the aircraft and deemed it safe.  The Polish plane was carrying 260 passengers.
http://rt.com/news/190912-boeing-dreamliner-emergency-landing


Scotland closely monitoring radioactive ship adrift
October 8, 2014
 Oil rig evacuated after MV Parida ship carrying radioactive waste caught fire and began drifting.  The Parida was transporting a cargo of cemented radioactive waste when a fire broke out in a funnel.  52 workers were taken to hospital by helicopter.
The waste was from Dounreay, an experimental nuclear power plant.
The material was being shipped back to Belgium.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-29531395


5.5 earthquake Scotland - rare!  October 9, 2014  
http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=403483


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http://news.yahoo.com/scots-powers-rejecting-separation-113623098.html
Scots to get new powers after rejecting separation
11/27/14

LONDON (AP) — Britain's main political parties agreed Thursday to grant Scotland new tax and spending powers to fulfill a promise of greater autonomy made as politicians scrambled to persuade Scots to reject independence in a recent referendum.

The plans are unlikely to satisfy hard-core Scottish nationalists, but could have far-reaching consequences, taking Britain toward a looser, more federated state.

In a Sept. 18 referendum, 55 percent of Scottish voters opted to remain in the United Kingdom, while 45 percent voted to leave.

Since then a commission of politicians from Scotland and the rest of Britain has been thrashing out proposals to fulfill the promise made by anti-independence forces in the final weeks of the campaign, as polls showed rising support for separation.

A plan published Thursday would give the Edinburgh-based Scottish parliament, established in 1999, the power to set income tax rates and keep the revenue in Scottish coffers. Scotland would also gain new control over welfare spending.

Prime Minister David Cameron said the proposals kept a promise he'd made during the referendum campaign, "that a No vote did not mean no change."

But John Swinney, deputy leader of Scotland's pro-independence administration, said the powers fell short of what Scottish people wanted.

"Under these proposals, less than 30 percent of our taxes will be set in Scotland and less than 20 percent of welfare spending will be devolved to Scotland," he said.

The proposals will be introduced as legislation in Parliament in January.

They could open a constitutional can of worms, boosting calls for other British regions, and even major cities, also to be given tax-raising powers.

Cameron also promised to introduce a contentious proposal for "English votes for English laws." It is intended to address a quirk of Britain's political system that means Scottish lawmakers in the House of Commons can vote on policies that only affect England.

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