Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:30 am Post subject: ISRAEL
ISRAEL
SEPTEMBER 2010
It is sometimes difficult to know WHICH thread to put WHAT news on.
Therefore I am starting an ISRAEL thread for what doesnt go on one of the following,
or involves several of the following, yet doesnt belong on WAR DRUMS. (stop laughing!)
Dudi Cohen says police increase deployment following this week's terror attacks in West Bank; Beit Hagai residents march in memory of victims
In the wake of the recent terror attacks in the West Bank, Police Commissioner Dudi Cohen said while touring the Hebron area Friday morning, "September is a particularly complex and sensitive month, with diplomatic events affecting the goings on in Israel, Ramadan, the Jewish High Holidays and more.
"Therefore, we have increased our deployment in the face of the threats," he said.
Following the tour, Cohen made his way to east Jerusalem's Temple Mount complex to supervise over the preparations for Ramadan prayers at the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3948937,00.html
I do not even like reporting this 'peace' garbage. A good face will be put on now, the truth will come out later. Look at the photos? Does Bibi look happy?
And Hurricane Earl may or may not smack NE USA at this posting Sept 3 at dawn.
I want an agreement
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tells advisors, Newspapers want headlines. I want to finalize a deal.
Bibi and terror chief Palestinian Abbas hold private meeting in Washington, agree to keep talks discreet.
They reportedly agreed to meet every 2 weeks, with the first meeting set to take place at Sharm el-Sheik with Hellary Clinton and George Mitchell.
These negotiations do NOT need a multitude of advisors, but rather leaders making decisions. The newspapers want headlines, but I want an agreement.
HA! Everything Palestinians agree to, they break, and when Israel defends herself, the world cries out against Israeli self defense!
Netanyahu and Abbas denounced acts of violence and reiterated their commitment to resolve all core issue en route to the formation of a Palestinian state.
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/...tPreview/1,2506,L-3948699,00.html
This peace is killing us
Op-ed: One must be stupid, senile to think deal with PA will bring something other than blood, tears.
The peace process and funeral processions always went hand in hand around here.
A day before the signing of the Oslo Accords, while then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was already on his way to the ceremony in Washington,
3 IDF soldiers were murdered in a Gaza attack. Yet that was merely the prelude for the huge wave of terror attacks we experienced later on.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3948933,00.html
Netanyahu at crossroads
Op-ed: Talks with Palestinians will force Netanyahu to make personal, historic decision.
Opposition leader Tzipi Livni has a colorful analogy that goes something like this:
“The Israeli managers of negotiations with the Palestinians think they are entering a bazaar where everyone bargains and yells –
yet then they discover they entered a luxury boutique where people conduct themselves politely and quietly,
and mostly where the prices are set and there is no bargaining.”
This week at the “White House boutique” at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington DC,
the store owner is hosting the nagging client from the Middle East and wishes to fit (almost violently) a suit for him.
So Israel’s prime minister doesn’t like the suit’s colors? It’s too large and expensive?
Well, the boutique’s owner, Mr. Obama, moved from Chicago to Washington less than two years ago and he’s determined to succeed.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3948083,00.html
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The most distressing aspect of Netanyahu’s enthusiastic participation in a peace process the Israeli public rationally opposes is that it is him doing it.
Despite a multi-million dollar media blitz, Israelis are not buying the US-financed Geneva Initiative’s attempt to convince us that we have a Palestinian partner.
A week after the pro-Palestinian group launched its massive online promotion urging people to join its Facebook page, a mere 634 people had answered the call.
The US-funded agitprop involved ads in which senior Fatah propagandists were featured telling Israelis we can trust them this time around. The reason for its failure was made clear by a public opinion poll taken on Tuesday night for Channel 10. When asked if they believed that Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas is serious about making peace with Israel, two-thirds of Israelis said no. Only 23 percent said he was serious and 17% said they didn’t know.
Moreover, most Israelis have had it with the peace paradigm based on Israeli concessions of land and national rights in exchange for Palestinian terror and political warfare. When asked whether the government should extend the prohibition on Jewish construction in Judea and Samaria beyond its September 26 terminus, 63% said no, it should not. A mere 21% of the public believes the government should respond positively to the US demand that Jews continue to be denied our property right in Judea and Samaria.
In his analysis of the results, Channel 10’s senior political commentator Raviv Drucker said that if Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu decides to make a deal with the Palestinians, he will have a hard time convincing the public to support him.
Drucker argued that the results may have been influenced by the Palestinian terror attack on Tuesday night, in which four civilians were brutally murdered on their way home from Jerusalem. That is, Drucker implied that the public is driven by its emotions. But what the results actually show is that the public is driven by reason.
When Palestinian terrorists gun down innocent people on the highway simply because they are Jews, the public’s reasoned response is to say that the Palestinians do not want peace. The public’s wholly rational reaction to this act of anti-Jewish butchery is to insist that Jews should not be denied our basic civil and human rights in a dangerous bid to appease murderers.
The poll’s final question had to do with Netanyahu and his intentions at the new round of land-for-peace negotiations in Washington. Slightly more than half of the public believes that Netanyahu is serious in his pursuit of a deal with the Palestinians and a mere 34% believe that he is not serious.
This last response is interesting for two reasons. First it is a strong indication that the public trusts Netanyahu’s word. Since taking office a year and a half ago, Netanyahu has said repeatedly that he supports making a deal with Fatah. And a majority of the public believes him.
The second conclusion suggested by the result is more discouraging. With the public convinced that the Palestinians are not to be trusted and that Israel should stop making concessions, the majority of the public believes that Netanyahu is moving in the opposite direction. Netanyahu’s statements in Washington give us ample reason for concern.
ON WEDNESDAY evening, ahead of a dinner at the White House with US President Barack Obama, Abbas, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Jordan’s King Abdullah, Netanyahu made a startling statement.
He said, “I have been making the case for Israel all my life. But I did not come here to win an argument. I came here to forge a peace. I did not come here to play a blame game where even the winners lose. I came here to achieve a peace that will bring benefits to all.”
This statement is worth considering carefully.
Does Netanyahu truly believe that by “making the case for Israel” he and others who speak out in defense of Israel have merely been argumentative?
Does he think that defending Israel’s rights diminishes the prospects for peace and so those who defend Israel are actually harming it?
Does he believe that in calling the Palestinians out for their brutality, barbarism and hatred of Jews and Israel, he and his fellow advocates for Israel have merely been playing a blame game?
Does he think that a peace forged on the basis of ignoring Israel’s case will be a viable peace?
If Netanyahu does believe all of these things – and his statement on Wednesday evening indicates he does – then the public should be very worried. Indeed, if this is what the premier believes, then it is just a matter of time before he begins echoing his predecessor Ariel Sharon and tells us that we are too dim witted to understand him because the world looks different from where he is sitting than from our lowly perches on the ground, in Israel.
AND THIS brings us back to Tuesday evening’s highway massacre. Predictably, the Obama administration led the way in framing the terrorist violence as a bid by Hamas to derail the newest round of negotiations.
For example, after meeting with Netanyahu on Wednesday Obama said, “The tragedy that we saw yesterday where people were gunned down on the street by terrorists who are purposely trying to undermine these talks is an example of what we’re up against.”
The only party that rejected the administration’s rationalization of the attack was Hamas, whose operatives reportedly carried it out. In an interview on Thursday with the London-based Asharq al-Awsat, Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar said that the talks have nothing to do with the attack. As he put it, “The bid to link this operation to the negotiations is completely wrong. When people have the opportunity, the capability and the targets, they act.”
The truth is probably found neither in Zahar’s claim nor in Obama’s assertion. In all likelihood, Hamas was testing the waters. Iran’s Palestinian proxy wanted to know whether the regular rules for peace processes have kicked into gear yet. Those rules – as the families of the hundreds of Israelis murdered by Palestinian terrorists during the peak years of peace processes will attest – involve Israel giving free rein to terrorists to murder Jews during “peace talks.”
more here
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=186910
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Israelis are willing to divide Jerusalem
Israel is willing to make a sweeping concession -- dividing control of Jerusalem -- as part of a historic final peace pact with Palestinians, a key Cabinet member revealed yesterday.
Defense Minister Ehud Barak signaled that his government is ready to drop its demand that even after the creation of a Palestinian state, Jerusalem would "remain the undivided capital of Israel."
"West Jerusalem and 12 Jewish neighborhoods that are home to 200,000 [Israeli] residents will be ours," Barak told the newspaper Haaretz.
"The Arab neighborhoods in which close to a quarter million Palestinians live will be theirs," he added, referring to the eastern part of the city that was captured from Jordan in the 1967 Mideast war.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/inte...jwIbtE2xfbjKf9Kx00K#ixzz0yUx88vsK
I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat.
Then I will enter into judgment with them there on behalf of My people and
My inheritance, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations -
and they have divided up My land!
Joel 3:2
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September 5, 2010 French magazine Le Monde Diplomatique
Israeli intelligence gathering apparatus, including powerful computers programmed to detect certain words and numbers in phone conversations, emails.
One of the largest and most important intelligence bases in the world is located near Kibbutz Urim in the Negev, not far from Beersheba.
The base's existence was kept secret until now.
It has numerous antennas and satellite dishes to eavesdrop on telephone calls and access the e-mail of governments, international organizations, foreign companies, political groups and individuals in the Middle East, Asia, Africa and Europe.
One of its main purposes is to listen to transmissions from ships passing in the Mediterranean.
The base is also the center of intelligence activity that taps underwater communication cables, mostly in the Mediterranean, connecting Israel with Europe.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3949384,00.html
Netanyahu's Remarks at the Start of the Weekly Cabinet Meeting
September 5, 2010 Sunday
Following are Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s remarks at the start of the weekly Cabinet meeting, today Sunday.
First of all, a Happy New Year to all.
We stand here with apples and honey and I hope that this also reflects our ability to bring about a good, blessed and it is possible to say, a sweet year for the Jewish People.
Certainly, great missions are before us, first of all the ability to move forward and achieve a genuine and secure peace process.
On Friday, I returned from Washington, from the first round of direct peace talks with Palestinian Authority Chairman Abu Mazen.
I would like to thank US President Barack Obama, Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, [former] Senator George Mitchell and the entire US administration team,
both for the heart-felt hospitality and mainly for the important role they played, and are playing, in moving the process forward.
I would like to also thank Egyptian President Mubarak and Jordanian King Abdallah II,
both for participating in the event and for their consistent willingness to advance the peace process between us and the Palestinians and – I would say – between us and the entire Arab world.
Even if there are important countries in the Arab world that have yet to line up behind the peace process, my impression is the willingness of President Mubarak and King Abdallah to attend,
despite the attacks, reflects a sense of readiness that exists in the Arab world, that this is the time to try and complete a peace settlement between us and the Palestinians and to expand it into a broader cycle of peace.
In my estimation, this sense stems both from an understanding of the significance of the alternatives and from the recognition that they simply must make peace with Israel.
After one and a half years, in which I called for direct talks without pre-conditions, I had, in Washington, the chance to hold a long, private talk with Abu Mazen. I very much hope that this conversation and the others that will come will allow us to open a direct, continuous and reliable link, which is essential to our ability to formulate a peace settlement between our two peoples. I proposed that we meet for such a private talk every two weeks, in which we would discuss the main issues on the agenda vis-à-vis a peace settlement, because I believe that what is currently necessary to move the process forward is not a plethora of teams, but decisions by leaders. I believe that the start of the Washington talks was an important step en route to a framework agreement between us and the Palestinians. We are aware of the difficulties. They are still before us, both in the short- and medium-term, but we will continue with our efforts to reach an agreement.
As I said in my [14.6.09] Bar-Ilan University speech , the anchors for peace are recognition of the State of Israel as the national state of the Jewish People, recognition of our historic link to our homeland, an end to the conflict with us and an end to claims, and practical security measures on the ground that are in keeping with the new reality that has been created here in the past decade and which we will face in the coming decade as well. These security procedures will ensure that there will be no repetition of what occurred after we left Lebanon and Gaza.
I made it clear in Washington, as I said on the day that this Government was established, that Israel is completely committed to peace. I think that we have already proven that we are ready to go a long way in order to reach peace. But this time, in order to succeed, we will need to study the lessons of the seventeen-year effort at negotiations and to embrace original thinking, to think outside the box as it were. We will need to think creatively, and in new ways, about how to resolve complex problems. In order to reach practical solutions, we will need to think about new solutions to old problems. I believe that this is possible. I am willing to achieve an historic compromise with our Palestinian neighbors so long as it maintains the national interests of the State of Israel with security first and foremost. I also express my hope that Palestinian [Authority] President Abu Mazen will continue on this path with me in the face of the tests and challenges that await us even now. We will continue to work so that together we may reach the common goal of peace, security and prosperity for Israelis and Palestinians."
Prime Minister Netanyahu noted that the Cabinet would vote today on the appointment of GOC Southern Command Maj.-Gen. Yoav Galant as the next IDF Chief-of-Staff. The Prime Minister praised Maj-Gen. Galant's experience and added that he would, "continue the tradition of excellence that current IDF Chief-of-Staff Lt.-Gen. Gaby Ashkenazi has fostered in the IDF. I would like to thank both of them."
Prime Minister Netanyahu concluded his remarks: "I would like to wish the Government and people of Israel a good, sweet, secure and peaceful year, a year of security and peace."
http://watch.org/showart.php3?idx...ex.html&showsubj=1&mcat=1
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Netanyahu to U.S. congressman
Mideast peace possible within year
September 07, 2010 Tuesday | Elul 28, 5770
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expressed concern Monday that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas would abandon the peace process, after the latter declared that he would not concede to Israel on a number of core issues and would refuse to continue negotiations should construction resume in West Bank settlements.
Netanyahu told a delegation of visiting U.S. congressmen during a meeting at his bureau that there were still many issues left to discuss. He also said that he "believes it possible, through such direct and contiguous negotiations, held without breaks or delays, to achieve a peace agreement within a year", spokesman Nir Hefez said following the meeting.
Abbas told the East Jerusalem-based Al-Quds al-Araby newspaper earlier Monday that if forced to give in on the issues of refugees or borders, he would "pack my bags and leave".
The Palestinian president also vowed to cut off direct negotiations with Israel if construction were to resume in West Bank settlements and said he would refuse to bring to the table with Netanyahu recognition of Israel as a Jewish state. "Israel can call itself what it likes," Abbas told the East Jerusalem-based newspaper.
Abbas, on a tour of North African Arab countries to brief their leaders on the Washington talks, was quoted by other media on Monday as saying that the renewed peace talks would begin with discussion on the issue of borders and security, before moving on to other topics.
"If we want to start negotiations, then we will start with borders and then move to security because borders is important for us and security is important for them [Israel]," the Ramallah-based al-Ayyam daily on Monday cited Abbas as saying from Tripoli, Libya.
The direct talks, launched last Thursday in Washington, after a hiatus of nearly two years, are due to continue next week in Egypt.
The Palestinian leader said he would push for recognition of the de facto borders which existed before the June 1967 war as the borders of the future Palestinian state.
Abbas added that "if we agree on it [border] and demarcate it, then this means we have found a solution for Jerusalem, water and settlements and all that will be left are issues such as refugees and others, which we will discuss in the second stage."
He said that once a treaty is reached, Palestinians would not "accept any Israeli presence, whether civilian or military, on the Palestinian territories."
Abbas reiterated his position that the fresh negotiations would come to an end if Israel resumes construction in its West Bank settlements at the end of September, when a 10-month partial building freeze is due to end.
The negotiations, he said, "will be for this month. If the government of Israel extended the settlement freeze decision, we will continue in negotiations. If it does not, we will get out of these negotiations."
Abbas said he made this position clear to U.S. President Barack Obama and US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, as well as to Netanyahu.
"There is already a freeze," said Abbas. "What we fear is that the freeze will be cancelled and they will resume settlement [construction] everywhere."
The Palestinian president's remarks came a day after Netanyahu said Israel and the Palestinian Authority would have to find new and original solutions to the issues standing in the way of achieving a peace deal.
In a debriefing to cabinet ministers at the weekly cabinet session in Jerusalem, prime minister said that Israel had "proven in the past that [it is] willing to go a long way in order to achieve peace, but this time, for us to succeed, we must learn from the lessons of the past and think in an original way."
"What is required is creative, novel thinking in order to resolve these complex issues," Netanyahu said.
One of the issues the premier may have alluded to in his remark is Israel's current settlement construction freeze, due to expire on September 26.
Speaking to Army Radio earlier Sunday, chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said that Netanyahu did not mention the settlement moratorium during last week's summit, clarifying that the Israeli premier did not "mention the word freezing."
The Palestinian negotiator added, when asked what he thought Israel would decide on the matter, that the PA knows "his position and he knows our position. We will see what will happen in the next few days."
Erekat also told Army Radio he felt the two sides were interested in achieving a viable peace, saying that "the time now is for decisions not for negotiations."
Meanwhile, Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul-Gheit said Monday that Israel's demand to be officially recognized as a Jewish state was "a cause for concern", considering the growing Arab sector.
"Arabs make up 20% of Israel's population," Aboul Gheit told the Al-Arabiya media. "What will happen when they're 30%, say in 25 years?"
COVENANT with DEATH!! SUICIDE! MURDER!! Shock!!! NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!
The Lord has reminded me on several occasions that just because a covenant with Death is signed - doesnt mean we will know about it.
Unless its that time - this peace is a joke.
If it is the Time I believe it is ... its not a joke, its a calamity.
September 07, 2010 Tuesday | Elul 28, 5770 By Aaron Klein
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu secretly has proposed a new plan whereby Jews living in the West Bank will remain in their communities after the territory becomes part of a Palestinian state.
Officials in both Israel and the Palestinian Authority have confirmed the plan to this reporter, marking the first time an Israeli leader has ever put on the table in a serious way a proposal involving Jewish West Bank residents remaining in a Palestinian state.
Conventional negotiations always has assumed an Israeli evacuation of its communities inside any territory taken over by the PA.
The full details of the plan, such as specific security guarantees for the remaining Jews, were not disclosed.
It was unclear how the Jewish residents of the West Bank will react to a plan that would seemingly place their security in the hands of the PA, whose militia members have carried out scores of attacks targeting those very Jewish communities.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=200129
IDF to close off West Bank for holiday
September 07, 2010 Tuesday | Elul 28, 5770
Wary of additional terror attacks in wake of peace talks, army deploys troops, sets up roadblocks.
Beginning midnight Wednesday, Rosh Hashana Eve, the West Bank will be under closure until Saturday night.
The move is routine for holidays.
The army, wary of more attacks, has deployed additional troops in the area, who will set up random roadblocks as preventative measures.
This prevents Palestinians from entering Israel in order to work, but that they can travel freely throughout the West Bank.
Defense Minister Ehud Barak has issued orders allowing Palestinians to enter Israel only in cases of emergency, with special permission from the Civil Authority.
Those who have obtained passes to visit their families in Israel will also be allowed through.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3951458,00.html
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The latest .. Sept 12 yeah yeah .. we'll see . . .
Benjamin Netanyahu tells Quartet envoy Tony Blair that while Israel will not build tens of thousands of housing units,
it will not freeze lives of Judea and Samaria residents either.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3953004,00.html
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Sep 13 there was an odd 4.6 earthquake right in the middle of the Red Sea!
I was VERY surprised! Then I saw this. Divine humor! . .WARNING!
Sep 14 Mideast talks to resume in Egyptian Red Sea resort, Sharm el-Sheikh between Israel and philistines / palestinians.
NO HOPE of peace unless Obama is the antichrist.
Palestinian all or nothing strategy paralyzing peace talks. This is the SAME position they have ALWAYS held. This is why talks failed with Bill Clinton and Arafat.
Last night news out of Israel looked as if Abbas would not show up for talks.
Damned Abbas does not want peace, but Hamas will not allow peace regardless.
There has been a Jewish settlement construction moratorium which ends Sept 27th.
PM Netanyahu hints at its partial extension.
As leaders gather in Egypt, sides seem no closer to a compromise on West Bank settlements.
President Mubarak of Egypt is a key Arab mediator. Dont forget Egypt hates Israel just as much as other nations.
Tensions cloud Sharm peace talks
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu landed in Sharm el-Sheikh furious at Palestinian statements about ending negotiations.
PA must act responsibly. Good luck with that.
Israel expect the Palestinians to act responsibly. WHY? They never have kept any promise they made. Not one.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3953795,00.html
Gaza terrorists fire missile at IDF; army returns fire
Terrorists in Gaza fired an anti-tank missile at IDF forces near the Gaza border fence Tuesday evening, Israel Radio reported.
In response, the IDF fired back, and injured two, one seriously.
http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=188078
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