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Malaysia MH17 down in Ukraine, we been LIED to

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works.  
They perish because they refused to love the TRUTH and so be saved.  
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion      
so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned    
who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.  
2 Thessalonians 2


MH17 was SHOT DOWN by 2 warplanes

We were LIED to about this!

Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur
July 17, 2014  POSSIBLE  
-  The east Ukrainians may have targeted a kiev war plane and the buk missile redirected and hit 777.  
Jennifer Griffin, foxnews
THAT sound believable.
Ukraine is on the direct path from Amsterdam to Malaysia

Boeing 777 down in east Ukraine near Russia
FACTS not yet in - breaking news
I am always wary of hype
Supposedly shot down but WAIT  til more info comes in
These are the stories - as I SAID - WAIT

Malaysian airliner crashes in E. Ukraine near Russian border, about 300 people on board
A Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 has crashed over Ukraine, close to the border with Russia.
Malaysian Airlines has confirmed that it has lost contact with the plane when it was flying over Ukrainian soil.
The passenger plane was expected to enter Russian airspace at 5:20pm local time, but never did
http://rt.com/news/173616-malaysian-crash-ukraine-border
http://rt.com/news/173604-ukraine-jet-downed-absurd


Malaysia airliner crashes in east Ukraine
A Malaysian airliner with about 300 people on board has crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border, on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.  Malaysia Airlines said it had lost contact with Flight MH17 from Amsterdam. The last known position was over Ukraine, it said in a tweet.
The plane is burning on the ground in east Ukraine.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28354856

Malaysian 777 Plane Shot Down
A Boeing 777 travelling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur reportedly comes down in Ukraine, close to the Russian border.
A Malaysian passenger plane with 295 people on board has been shot down as it flew above eastern Ukraine, according to aviation sources.

The plane, which is believed to have been flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was travelling at an altitude of 10km (6.2 miles) when it was shot down, Russia's Interfax reported.

The aircraft, reportedly a Boeing 777, was brought down by a ground-to-air missile, an adviser to the Ukrainian interior ministry quoted by the news agency said.
A spokesman for Malaysian Airlines confirmed it had lost contact with flight MH17, which departed from Amsterdam at 12.14am local time.

The flight disappeared from radar as it flew over Ukrainian airspace, he said.

Sky's Katie Stallard, in Moscow, said media reports suggest the plane came down in the Donestk region, where there has been recent heavy fighting amid continuing tensions between Russia and Ukraine.

Several videos apparently filmed in the area, none of which Sky News has been able to independently verify, show plumes of thick, black smoke rising high into the air.
An aviation source told the Reuters news agency the wreckage of a burning aircraft had been found on the ground.
http://news.sky.com/story/1302864...plane-shot-down-with-295-on-board

Malaysia plane isnt missing
March, 2014 also a Boeing 777
Malaysia Airlines flight MH370
REPORT MH17 had the idenical marker as MH370 - same plane?  SAme people?
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about4777.html

What do I think?
Anyone find it real odd both incidents of a plane flight which may never have existed are Malaysia?
The CIA may have shot it down.  Its too soon to know.
The pilot had no business being in a war zone!
I am sure Putin had nothing to do with it
.  He is the public opinion biggest loser.


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CJ

OK Here is my early comments - and my edits for above jumbled up links.

Comments
THIS PLANE DOWNED SOUNDS SUSPICIOUS.  BEWARE WHAT YOU BELIEVE

I hate to call this a false flag but thats what it feels like.
I am in my - believe nothing - mode.
Its as if this is a cover to distract media from something we need to know.

The east Ukrainians may have targeted a Kiev war plane and the buk missile redirected and hit 777.  Jennifer Griffin, foxnews
THAT sound believable.  Apparantly thats been happening, where planes not targeted are hit.
US planes forbidden to fly over Ukraine.
Kiev has been bombing east Ukraine so much that Russia has supplied them weapons to defend themselves.

That missing Malaysian 777 keeps flashing thru my mind.  Cant be any connection - or can there?  CIA ghost plane was seen in Australia.  Why?
This stinks.  NO news outlets report facts, just hype, propobamacrapoganda.


Boeing 777 down in east Ukraine near Russia
The aircraft was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur and came down near Donetsk Ukraine.
Reuters reports it was shot down by a Buk anti-aircraft system.
The Buk can reportedly fire missiles up to an altitude of 72,000 feet.  Some say no it cant.
The incident follows a separatist claim they hit two Sukhoi-25 jets on Wednesday. The Ukrainian said the second jet was hit by a portable surface-to-air missile.
http://www.infowars.com/malaysian...wn-near-russian-border-in-ukraine


Malaysian 777 Plane Shot Down
July 17, 2014  
The plane was flying at an altitude of 10km (6.2 miles) when it was shot down.
The aircraft was brought down by a ground-to-air missile.
Malaysian Boeing 777 airliner crashes in E. Ukraine near Russian border, about 300 people on board.
Malaysian Airlines has confirmed that it has lost contact with the plane when it was flying over Ukrainian soil.
The passenger plane was expected to enter Russian airspace at 5:20pm local time, but never did.
Malaysia Airlines said it had lost contact with Flight MH17 from Amsterdam.
The plane is burning on the ground in east Ukraine.  Reports of bodies scattered.
http://news.sky.com/story/1302864...plane-shot-down-with-295-on-board
http://rt.com/news/173616-malaysian-crash-ukraine-border
http://rt.com/news/173604-ukraine-jet-downed-absurd
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28354856

Ukraine Air Force jet downed by Russian missile
http://www.usnews.com/news/world/...rce-jet-downed-by-russian-missile

Ukraine Separatist Leader Boasts of Downing Plane
http://www.rferl.mobi/a/ukraine-s...oasts-downing-plane/25460930.html
CJ

Malaysia plane should NOT have been there
Big Question is Why Plane Was Flying Over War Zone

Captain Sullenberger was questioned why Malaysia Airlines flight 17 would be flying over Ukraine border with Russia.  
Sullenberger is an aviation expert.  He was asked why aa commercial plane would be flying over an area where two aircraft have been shot down just this week.
The U.S. FAA has barred U.S. Airlines from flying over this area for some time.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/...hy-plane-was-flying-over-war-zone


Malaysia plane shot by mistake
East Ukraine freedom fighters believed they had shot down an army transport plane.
Donetsk People's Republic suggest the separatists shot down the Malaysia Airlines plane by mistake, believing it was a large Ukrainian army transport plane.
The rebels shot down another An-26 in rebel-held eastern Ukraine on June 14, killing 49 government servicemen.
http://news.yahoo.com/rebel-sugge...ysia-plane-mistake-174750060.html


Malaysian plane shot down over eastern Ukraine
Airliner flying carrying 295 people vanishes from radar, crash site reportedly found near Shaktarsk in the Donetsk region.

Anton Gerashenko said the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters (33,000 feet) when it was hit Thursday by a missile fired from a Buk launcher.
A Ukrainian rebel commander said the insurgents had shot down an army transporter at the location where the Malaysia Airlines plane crashed near the Russian border.
The comments by Donetsk military commander suggest the separatists had shot down the Malaysia Airlines plane by mistake, believing it was a large Ukrainian army transport plane.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/offi...ne-shot-down-over-eastern-ukraine


Malaysian plane crash killed 23 Americans
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...rges-23-U-S-passengers-board.html


I have no problem believing it was a mistake.
CJ

NWO Attempted Assassination of Vladimir Putin
July 18, 2014  
NWO Attempted Assassination of Vladimir Putin, But Got the Wrong Plane.
Russian President Vladimir Putins plane may have been the target of an attempted assassination. He is going against the grain of the New World Order.

Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 295, Interfax reports that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point.
The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft – 15:44 Moscow time.
The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical.
This article is propaganda.
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternat...looks-that-way-video-2994596.html


Malaysian Plane Missile Strike False Flag Attack, intended to assassinate Putin
Russian President Vladimir Putin was flying a similar plane and similar path when a missile struck it. Kiev (nazis) shot down a passenger airplane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcq81IlZczo
http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-...to-assassinate-putin-2453078.html


Putin South America tour
July 17, 2014
 Russian President Vladimir Putin went to Latin America for 6 days July 11-17.
He signed energy agreements with BRICS banks.
FACT  -  As far as I can tell.  I knew Putin stopt in Cuba.
http://rt.com/business/173520-putin-latin-america-deals


Thorough investigation of Malaysian airliner tragedy in Ukraine required
The crash of a Malaysian Airlines plane in eastern Ukraine must be investigated thoroughly and objectively, Russian President Putin said. The tragedy underlines the urgent need for a peaceful resolution of the armed conflict in Ukraine.
Putin contacted Dutch PM Mark Rutte to express condolences over the deaths of his fellow citizens in the disaster.
The majority of the passengers were from the Netherlands.
http://rt.com/news/173744-putin-ukraine-plane-russia

*  Some is hype, conjecture, theory, propaganda
CJ

Flight MH 17 Never Took Off
I like this one!  I actually had similar thoughts to this guy.
flightradar24.com says it never took off and was CANCELED.  Is this really the disposal of flight 370?
Planes first flight was on July 17, 1997 and was shot down on the anniversary of TWA flight 800.  Uh huh.

Air traffic controller claims plane was being escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets right before shoot down.
Of course you are already thinking - if MH17 never took off, how could it be escorted?
Answer - Putin would have had escort planes.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternat...mh-17-never-took-off-2994632.html
http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/20.../flight-mh-17-never-took-off.html

TWA FLIGHT 800 was Downed by Missile
CJ



MH17 passports - why do they look new, not burned?

MH17 Lies Already Falling Apart
July 18, 2014   We are being LIED to - again

While the newly released video report below from * DAHBOO77 clearly shows that all kinds of questions are now emerging about the downing of Flight MH-17, this linked story excerpted below from Zero Hedge brings up another pertinent fact that reminds us of our now defunct mainstream media and the criminal US govt on 9/11, the Ukrainian govt knew EXACTLY what happened soon after the crash, prior to any investigation of what REALLY happened.

Adding in the fact that dozens of Malaysian passports were conveniently found at the scene of the crash, we can clearly see an attempted false flag to launch WW3 unfolding. The occult/illuminati connection to this plane crash are laid out in the 2nd video below and are absolutely stunning as the NWO attempts to start WW3 as their grip on power falls apart as the US dollar dies and on the same day TWA Flight 800 was shot down in 1996.

That didn’t take long for the Ukrainian government to know exactly what happened:

*UKRAINE REBELS SHOT DOWN MALAYSIAN PLANE, GERASHCHENKO SAYS; But
*DONETSK SEPARATISTS SAY NOT INVOLVED IN PLANE CRASH: INTERFAX

Curiously, Anton Gerashchenko, advisor to Ukraine ministry of internal affairs, had a prepared explanation for everything that happened half an hour ago, long before Ukraine even announced it would begin a probe into the flight crash: (See screenshot of his post directly below video! Translated, his words tell us who REALLY brought down this plane as another false flag is now clearly unfolding!)
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspira...m-us-govt-did-on-911-2464132.html

We are being LIED to - again
* DAHBOO is a famous exposer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fytpEF6-EQ#t=98

Downded Flight MH17 & The Occult IMF Number 7 Connection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TOXeMF4kq8

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CJ

COMMENTARY
The Ukraine Plane
What happened?  We do not know

Sandy Hook Newtown school shooting was a total hoax.
It never happened.  Most of America was fooled and still is.
When this plane - if it existed - went down, I thot of Sandy Hook hoax.
I thot of TWA 800.  These were govt hoaxes or lies the press spewed.

REPORT this plane MH17 has the idenical marker as MH370 - same plane?

REPORT - About 100 people traveling to a global AIDS conference in Australia were on board MH17 including Dr Joep Lange, researcher in African HIV


ISRAEL
How interesting this is arranged the same day Israel began ground op in Gaza.

RUSSIA
Putin stopped in Cuba July 11 en route to South America BRICs meeting for a week.
Putin was returning home July 17.  The assassination plot is NOT absurd.
It is easy for me to believe Obama / NWO / CIA would try to kill Putin.
I can also believe MH17 never existed.  
Come on, the clean new passports on tv never went thru a midair explosion!  
NOTHING about this plane incident makes sense.

A CIA ghost plane was just in Australia - why?
Lunatics on TV blaming Putin, hystericly demanding vengence.
I cant put all the information here, please check my forum link.
I include hype, conjecture, theory - this is a disturbing mess.

Sandy Hook Hoax
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about3832.html

Idea
BornAgain2

Thank you for all of these updates - yeah, turned on the MSM tv this morning, and it just feels like the whole thing is scripted with a bunch of (bad)actors in it.

FYI - there's a 1997 movie called "Wag the Dog" - made with a tiny budget in only 30 days(starred Dustin Hoffman and Robert DeNiro). The plot centered around a President who's sex scandal started coming out weeks before his election, so the White House advisors hired a Hollywood producer to put together a fabricated war in Albania to distract the public away from the Prez's scandals.(and ultimately got skyrocketing approval ratings for his "leadership" through it)

As we all know, Hellywood's "entertainment" is nothing more than predictive programming and conditioning of the masses. This movie is one prime example.

Whether it's this, Sandy Hook, or whatever - I don't doubt that at least 1/2 of these world's "events" are hoaxed to make them look real. It's witchcraft.

IMHO - maybe it's yet another distraction to further keep quiet over the chaos going on at the North American southern border.(just occured to me)
The MSM is just running away with this story - well, at least they're keeping us up-to-date over what's going on in Israel now.
CJ

AIDS conference in Australia
July 18, 2014
Many on downed MH17 plane were heading to AIDS conference.
AIDS Conference Attendees on Downed Malaysian Jet
More than 100 of the 298 passengers on board Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 were on route to a major AIDS conference in Melbourne.

Among the passengers were former president of the International AIDS Society Joep Lange, a well-known researcher from the Netherlands, and Worth Health Organization spokesman Glenn Thomas, based in Geneva.

Delegates to the 20th International AIDS Conference in Melbourne due to start on Sunday were told on Friday morning that about 100 medical researchers, health workers and activists were on board the plane that crashed over eastern Ukraine after being hit by a surface-to-air missile.

Researchers and activists heading to an AIDS conference in Australia were on the Malaysian jetliner shot down over Ukraine, news that sparked an outpouring of grief across the scientific community.

Australia news
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/ftopic2507-24.php

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CJ

Virus Unleashed after MH17 Shot Down
100 AIDS scientists were on board Malaysian flight MH17.
Bomb aboard to kill Joep Lange, the president of the International AIDS Society was targeted.
Bill Clinton knew some of the scientists aboard MH17.
What did these scientists know, or were about to learn at the AIDS conference.
S.Quayle predicts a killer plague, lab virus.
http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2...er-mh17-is-shot-down-2542998.html


Malaysia Airlines plane was carrying corpses
(I consider this believable.  Reject nothing at this point.  Cook all of it on the back burner.)
Russian intelligence officer Igor Girkin said the planes passengers were already dead when the plane went down.
Those gathering corpses came to the spot only 30 minutes after the tragedy.
They said many corpses were totally bloodless and looked like blood had clotted long before the catastrophe.

A strong putrid smell was noticed in the area of the plane crash.
According to the terrorist leader there was a special medical cargo on board.
(With 100 scientists aboard, medical cargo not uncommon.  Maybe lab death virus.)
The plane pilots were alive and did die as a result of the crash.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/u...-was-carrying-corpses-356780.html


Did MH17 pilot divert INTO the danger zone?
Very possible.  Complex plan.  If pilots had corpses and lethal bio agents aboard, their NWO instructions could have been to overfly east Ukraine.
Aviation expert claims captain made last-minute change of course over Ukraine because he felt uncomfortable.
Malaysia Airlines filed flight plan requesting 35,000 feet through airspace but was told to fly at 33,000
The MH17 and Putins plane routes crossed at the same point and on the same altitude.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...issile-McCain-warns-Hell-pay.html

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CJ

Bodies rained down on Ukraine village
One of the corpses fell through the rickety roof of Irina Tipunova's house in this sleepy village, just after Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 exploded high over eastern Ukraine, where pro-Russian separatists are fighting government forces.
"There was a howling noise and everything started to rattle. Then objects started falling out of the sky," the 65-year-old pensioner said in front of her grey-brick home.
"And then I heard a roar and she landed in the kitchen, the roof was broken," she said, showing the gaping hole made by the body when it came through the ceiling of the kitchen in an extension to the house.
The dead woman's naked body was still lying inside the house, next to a bed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/20...isis-bodies-idUSKBN0FN1JJ20140718

Sorcha
Putin Warns Obama of Catastrophic War Game Minutes Before Malaysian Jet Destroyed
Within 5 minutes of President Putin warning Obama, that war games being carried out by NATO RCAF forces over Romania could lead to a potential catastrophe, Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was destroyed over the eastern conflict region of Ukraine.

Putin was in flight returning to Moscow aboard his presidential aircraft from Brazil when he was notified that there were a number of radar anomalies occurring over EUROCONTROL zones in Central Europe.

EUROCONTROL is responsible for determining civil aircraft flight paths over European airspace and was accused of being a part of the massive radar blackouts occurring over Central Europe between 5-10 June causing planes to disappear from their air traffic controllers screens.
hmmmm.....
Buk missile system details.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1784.htm


Flight MH17 and the new world disorder
The downing of the Malaysian passenger plane shows that the West is paying the price for its complacency, weakness and lack of leadership
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/w...7-and-the-new-world-disorder.html


Calls for inquiry
Germany Chancellor Angela Merkel has close economic ties with Moscow.
She said there were many indications that the Malaysian airliner was shot down.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19...iry-into-ukraine-plane-crash.html


Malaysia Airlines faces doubtful future
This could easily be funny.  Who in their right mind would travel Malaysia air today?
Shares in Malaysia Airlines closed down 11% in Malaysia following the crash of flight MH17 in Ukraine.
Some Asian stock markets also ended the day lower on fears the crash may intensify political tensions between the West, Ukraine and Russia.

This is the second catastrophe to hit the Malaysian airline this year after flight MH370 disappeared in March.
Questions are being asked about whether the carrier can now survive.
The company has been losing money for many years.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28370863

Malaysia Airlines Jet Crashes Over Russia-Ukraine Border
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183027#.U8osx-NdUdU


Dutch sadness rurns to anger  
Most of the passengers were from the Netherlands, including a Dutch senator, who died with his wife and daughter, and a University of Amsterdam academic, who fought to bring cheaper AIDS drugs to Africa.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/201...nger-amid-missile-blame-game.html
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nat...raine-missile-20140717-story.html

Israeli killed in Israeli crash over Russia
Israeli Itamar Avnon had survived elite IDF service and Operation Cast Lead before perishing in
MH17 crash.  He died in the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over the Russia-Ukraine border.  He was heading back to Australia after visiting the Netherlands.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183051#.U8orOuNdUdU
http://www.timesofisrael.com/isra...-killed-on-downed-malaysian-plane
CJ

COMMENTARY  July 19, 2014  
What happened?  We do not know.
Reject nothing at this point.  Cook all of it on the back burner.
This is a jigsaw puzzle, a chess game.
100 scientists, AIDS, Clintons, NWO, Putin.

Pray for these people!

Ukr-Russians preventing international investigation.
The Kiev nazis captured the south-eastern section and surrounded the airport.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28383625
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28363086

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CJ

FLIGHT 17
By Douglas J. Hagmann 18 July 2014

The downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 currently dominates headlines.
Setting the global stage
To understand the significance of the downing of Flight 17, we must look at the bigger picture and think outside of the box created for us by the media.
We are witnessing orchestrated global chaos that transcends partisan politics and has been long in the making.
Each event of significance is being done by globalists design.  The Arab Spring was planned far in advance and was not spontaneous.  Ditto MH17
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10912
CJ

Putin Poised to Retaliate
July 20, 2014  
The escalating tensions between Washington and Moscow may threaten to spoil the nuclear talks with Iran.
Putin called Obama to alert him a civilian jetliner had crashed over Eastern Ukraine.  Putin’s next call was to the President of Iran, Hassan Rouhani.
The two leaders examined joint projects in the oil and gas sector and in peaceful nuclear energy.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/arti...-obama-by-trashing-iran-deal.html


MH17 bodies dragged around
The Netherlands has asked for help bringing home the bodies of the 192 Dutch nationals killed.
They are angry by reports of bodies being dragged around the site in Grabovo, Donetsk.
The Netherlands is in mourning at Airport where flight MH17 took off.
http://news.sky.com/story/1303973...ury-as-mh17-bodies-dragged-around

Report, tv - General Gerkin oversaw (supposed) missile strike.  I'd say Gerkin is in a pickle.
CJ

Dutch reach bodies in east Ukraine
21 July 2014
Dutch investigators arrived in Torez in Ukraine, where the remains of victims of the Malaysia Airlines plane crash are being stored.
The three forensic scientists are aiming to start work on identifying the 196 bodies kept there on a train.
Pressure is growing on pro-Russian rebels to allow experts to the crash site some 15km (9 miles) away.
The US and other nations say there is growing evidence of Russian complicity in the downing of the plane last week.
All 298 people on flight MH17 died when it was reportedly hit by a missile.
Russia has been accused of providing the rebels with an anti-aircraft system that was allegedly used in the attack on 17 June. It denies the allegations.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28399406


MH17 taskforce at crash site not enough, full-scale intl team needed.
The international experts on the scene should be able to carry out their work in complete safety, said Russian President Vladimir Putin.
We must do everything to provide security for the international experts on the site.
Russia will help shift the Ukrainian conflict from a military phase into a political discussion.

Russia has introduced a resolution to the UN calling for an impartial investigation of Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash in Ukraine.
247 out of 298 bodies have been recovered from the crash site. OSCE confirmed that a train with bodies of the victims is being stationed at a railway station in Torez and is set to depart for Donetsk. The bodies are being kept in especially refrigerated cars.
http://rt.com/news/174268-ukraine-mh17-crash-putin


Donetsk militia put MH17 bodies on train
The bodies of 196 MH17 crash victims have been placed inside refrigerated train carriages.
Donetsk wonders why international experts are still not at the crash scene.
3 refrigerated train carriages with bodies have departed to Ilovaysk on their way to Donetsk.
http://rt.com/news/174200-international-experts-crash-site


MH17 plane crash in Ukraine LIVE UPDATE
Dutch PM Mark Rutte says they would prefer to bring MH17 crash bodies back to the Netherlands for identification purposes.  Rutte says it remains unclear where the black boxes are.
http://rt.com/news/173628-malaysian-plane-crash-ukraine
CJ

GCN radio report July 21
Many MH17 bodies had coagulated blood - meaning they died prior to entering Ukraine zon
e.
PROOF Russia is NOT involved here.
PROOF its a plot aka false flag.
This sure got the US border WAR off CNN.

Uk-Russians
The eastern Ukrainians are being called several things, rebels, separatists, militia, I like Uk-Russians, as its the most accurate.


Kiev evidence for airliner crash faked
July 21, 2014
A tape posted on the Internet by Ukrainian security and allegedly recording a talk between self-defense fighters about the destruction of a Malaysian airliner is a fake, experts said on Sunday.
I knew that.

A group of experts studied the tape and came to the conclusion that it was made up of numerous unrelated recordings.
The audio recording is not an integral file and is made up of several fragments, said voice analysis.

The name of the town of Yenakiyevo is clearly heard in the tape. However, the town is located 60 miles from where the airliner crashed.
He talked about a Ukrainian attack aircraft shot down by the (Uk-Russians / militia) above Yenakiyevo a day before the Malaysian airliner crash.
The dialog was cut into pieces and then assembled. Short pauses in the tape are very indicative of various episodes, the expert said.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/kievs...-airliner-crash-faked-expert.html

HEY!  WHY WOULD KIEV FAKE EVIDENCE -
UNLESS KIEV IS GUILTY!?

U.S. Satellite Images Show Ukrainian Troops Shooting Down MH17
Source tells award winning reporter Washington lying about responsibility for tragedy
http://www.prisonplanet.com/whist...an-troops-shooting-down-mh17.html


What the Media Won’t Report About Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17
They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started in 2013, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. Without US-sponsored “regime change,” it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened.
They will not report that the US has strongly backed the Ukrainian Kiev (nazi) government in these attacks on civilians.

They will not report that neither Russia nor the separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain but everything to lose by shooting down a passenger liner full of civilians.
The Ukrainian government has much to gain by pinning the attack on Russia.

They will not report that the Uk-Russians have inflicted considerable losses on the Kiev government in the week before the plane was downed.
They will not report how similar this is to last summer’s US claim that the Assad government in Syria had used poison gas against civilians in Ghouta. Assad was also gaining the upper hand in his struggle with US-backed rebels.  We have learned since then that US claims about the gas attack were false.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/what-...laysian-airlines-flight-mh17.html

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CJ

Blackmail is a part of mass surveillance
It is well-documented that governments use information to blackmail and control people.
FBI head Hoover was famous for blackmailing everyone including politicians.
There is widespread speculation that Pope Benedict resigned because of sexual blackmail.
American government has a long history of blackmailing people including high-level officials with knowledge of their sexual peccadilloes.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/exclu...ed-part-of-mass-surveillance.html


Pope Francis guilty of rape, murder
Pope Francis Bergoglio, Jesuit Adolfo Pachon and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby were found guilty of rape, torture, murder and trafficking of children in the International Common Law Court of Justice in Brussels.
48 eyewitnesses have come forward to testify about their activities as members of the Ninth Circle Satanic Child Sacrifice Cult.

This Satanic Cult did child sacrifices at many Roman Catholic cathedrals worldwide.
Teens taken by the mafia, stripped naked, raped, hunted down in games and killed.
Pope Francis was a perpetrator in satanic child sacrifice rites an Argentine priest.
http://tinyurl.com/pedo666pope

Pope Francis
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/ftopic4072-192.php

The vatican
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about2434.html


MH17 - Bodies were dead earlier, was this MH370?  Blood was coagulated.

MH17 sure got the US border WAR off CNN.


What Happened to the Malaysian Airliner?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/what-...ed-to-the-malaysian-airliner.html


PAY ATTENTION!
MH370 and MH17 tied to the NWO and the Ukraine civil war
I speculate this may even be tied to Pope Francis guilty of rape, murder


Malaysia Flight MH370 called missing but
Is MH17 really MH370?
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about4777.html

Ukraine civil war
Many pages, you might want to review them
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about137.html


Uk-Russians
The eastern Ukrainians are being called several things, rebels, separatists, militia, I like Uk-Russians, as its the most accurate.
BornAgain2

Thank you for all of the updates - yeah, ALOT of questions to be answered with this...
CJ

China sides with Russia  
China blasts one-sided Western rush to judge Russia.
Chinas first public statement that The Western rush to judge Russia is not based on evidence or logic.
China cautioned against making snap judgments.  Jumping to a conclusion is not conducive to finding out the truth.
http://tinyurl.com/Chin-Russ


MH17 was flanked by Ukrainian fighter jets
Russia wants explanation for warplane flying within 3 miles of downed airliner.
Coupled with the facts that the airliner was diverted into a war zone it needn’t have flew over, and also ordered to fly at a lower altitude, this opens the possibility that the US backed Ukrainian military was inviting a Russian attack, or even conducting a false flag attack.
http://tinyurl.com/MH17-Uk-jets


MH17 And MH370 Are The Same Plane
Theory, MH17 and MH370 are actually the same plane and that the U.S. military arranged for the second flight, filled with corpses, to be blown up over eastern Ukraine.
This theory was described in a widely read account in the New Republic on Sunday by Russian-American Jessica Ioffe, which argued that Russian civilians were being fed a uniformly skewed interpretation of the events that brought down the Malaysian airliner, killing 298 passengers and crew. While the sensational theory does not appear to be circulating among the more legitimate news outlets in Russia, Russian television stations have reportedly been promoting a narrative that Ukraine and, to a lesser extent, the U.S. -- but definitely not Russia -- are responsible for the air disaster.
http://www.businessinsider.com/wh...propaganda-is-so-effective-2014-7

I dont think its a crazy theory.
MH17 and MH370 could be the same plane
I've heard reports of corpses on plane
CJ

MH17 plane timeline
July 23, 2014  
The inflight recorders recovered from the wreckage of
the downed Malaysian plane have arrived in Britain to be analyzed
http://rt.com/news/173628-malaysian-plane-crash-ukraine


NO direct link to Russia
US admits their (faked) intelligence suggests Malaysia plane shot down by anti-Kiev militia.
Officials believe that MH17 was intercepted by an SA-11 missile fired in error by east Ukrainians.  They previous shot down 12 Kiev nazi military aircraft.  Kiev had been bombing east Uks without mercy.
The MH17 black boxes were turned over to Malaysian authorities Monday.
USA information relied on social media postings.  WHAT?!??
http://rt.com/usa/174796-intelligence-malaysia-plane-mh17-us
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28439862


Blaming Putin could start WW3.  We DO NOT want to pissoff Putin!
CJ

CIA Hands All Over Malaysian Plane Destruction
The CIA has bloodstained hands due to the destruction of vital evidence relating MH17.
Within 5 minutes of President Putin warning Obama, on 17 July  that NATO war games over Romania could lead to a potential catastrophe, Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was destroyed after suddenly leaving its assigned flight path to east Ukraine.

Flight MH 17 electronically intersected with Putin’s presidential plane, which was returning to Moscow from Brazil toward Moscow.

Security analysts aboard Putins plane who were monitoring ETN Global Travel Industry News (eTurboNews) where continuous messages were being posted from an air traffic controller at Boryspil International Airport in Kiev.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down. Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar. Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

Putin security became concerned due to the detailed knowledge about what was occurring with MH 17, including its being followed by Ukrainian fighter jets and then its destruction on a flight path it shouldn’t have been on in the first place.

Nearly immediately after they were posted, CIA took command of Boryspil International Airport, and had all of them deleted, and the blog and Twitter account associated with them shut down.

With Ukrainian security services under CIA direction having confiscated all of the air traffic radar recordings of MH 17, and with the Obama regimes propaganda machine now in high gear, it now appears that the US-EU agenda regarding this tragedy is less than finding its true perpetrators, and instead as using it as a context for war.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1785.htm
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1786.htm


DO NOT reject this report.
I pulled excerpts.  Its always written very badly - too wordy -
only the dedicated will pull the weeds and seek the truth
CJ

For Barak Hussein Obama and the USA and the world to be blaming Putin and Russia
for the downing of MH17 is inviting world war 3
Russia and the Ukraine Russians DID NOT do this.
The Kiev puppets of the NWO did this -
and it was plotted a long time

Idea  Exclamation
BornAgain2

http://rt.com/news/175808-malaysia-plane-parent-daughter/
‘She might be still alive!’ Parents of MH17 victim arrive at crash site in Ukraine
Exclamation

The parents of 25-year-old Fatima, who was among the passengers on board the tragic Malaysian plane, don’t want to believe their daughter is dead. They have arrived at the crash site in eastern Ukraine, and are determined to look for her.

George and Angela Dyczynski from Perth, Australia, laid flowers at the site of the crashed Malaysian Airplane jet near the village of Grabovo for their daughter, Fatima Dyczynski, on Saturday. They were the first relatives of the plane victims to arrive at the site of the tragedy, according to NBC's Kier Simmons.

When George and Angela learned about the July 17 tragedy that killed 298 people, they didn’t want to lose hope as their daughter’s mobile phone rang after the crash.

“Did you see the CNN report about the mobile phones?... So we go," George said.

He might have been referring to a CNN report about relatives who called victims and received answers from strangers.

The parents decided on a dangerous journey – right to the heart of war-torn Ukraine – to the Donetsk Region where the Malaysian Airlines plane crashed. They were determined to go despite government officials in Australia, Germany and the Netherlands advising victims' families against immediately travelling to the crisis-torn country.

George believes that if his daughter was strapped in her seat when the plane crashed, this could have cushioned the impact of hitting the ground.

"Nobody speaks about survivors and there must be a reason for it. There is some evidence there are survivors still."


As soon as the grieving parents arrived in Amsterdam on Thursday, they prepared for the flight to Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. From there they headed to Donetsk.

"We go today. We've got a connecting flight to Donetsk to the site where the aircraft attack was," George Dyczynski told reporters at the Amsterdam airport on Thursday, according to Australian Associated Press.

"It is our deepest belief and we will not give up the search until we find her alive," Angela added.

George was wearing a T-shirt with Fatima’s face printed on it with the words "Fatima We Love You."

“I cling to it… In Australia, when one person [goes missing] hundreds of people go to the bush and look until they are found. So we want to [do it]. We want to see if there are survivors,” George told the Telegraph.

The grief-stricken parents were accompanied by Dutch officials, but only in the Netherlands; in Ukraine they were on their own.

“We go on our own. But we have a lot of support of people from the media, the government," said George.

Fatima Dyczynski, a promising aerospace engineer, was travelling to Perth, Australia, to start an internship with the International Business Machines Corporation (IBM) when the tragedy happened. She planned to become an astronaut and go to Mars. She was also about to fulfill her dream of becoming a permanent Australian resident.

Fatima moved with her parents from Germany to Perth seven years ago. She later went to the Netherlands to study aeronautical engineering at the Delft University of Technology. After her internship in Perth she intended to complete a masters course in the Netherlands.

“For this Earth, Galaxy and beyond. Always remember: don't let gravity hold us back,” she wrote on her Facebook page right before boarding the flight.

Another Perth couple, Anthony Maslin and Marite Norris, who lost their three children - Evie, 10, Mo, 12, and Otis, 8, - and the chldrens’ grandfather, said the pain from their loss was "intense and relentless."

"We live in a hell beyond hell," they said in a statement. "No one deserves what we are going through. Not even the people who shot our whole family out of the sky," they say.

On Friday, investigators from the Netherlands and Australia arrived at the crash area to probe the causes of the tragedy and to help bring the last of the victims home.

According to OSCE observers investigating the site, more human remains have been discovered. The experts called for the area to be secured.
CJ

Australian, Dutch forensic experts arrive at MH17 crash site
August 2, 2014
At least 78 international forensic experts from Australia and the Netherlands have arrived at the site of the crashed Malaysia Airlines plane in the Donetsk Region in eastern Ukraine, the OSCE mission in Ukraine said. The experts took dogs trained to search for bodies. They arrived at the area for the first time on July 31.
http://rt.com/news/line/2014-08-02/#67460

REBEL LEADER SAYS MANY OF THE DEAD BODIES IN MH17 WEREN’T “FRESH”
Sorry to be so grotesque, but there aren’t a lot of other ways to say it.
The Associated Press article floating around the mainstream media in source after source (surely before it gets buried forever) is simply titled, “Rebel Leader Gives Bizarre Account of Plane Crash”.

How bizarre, exactly?

A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.

The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition. [emphasis added]
Of course, the commander will be immediately discredited by western-backed establishment media sources simply because of which side of this conflict he politically stands on.

Not the point, however.

Bodies drained of blood and reeking of decomposition at a fresh crash site?

Who would even think to make something like that up in the first place?

This story is only bizarre until you consider the fact that this situation might be staged.

That explanation might help explain what’s going on in this video below, supposedly taken of the crash site moments after the plane went down, where a man scatters a handful of what look like brand new, unscathed passports from the Netherlands on the ground.
Again…are they wagging the dog to get us in to wider war?
Source - DAILY SHEEPLE | MAY 19, 2014
http://www.infowars.com/rebel-lea...-dead-bodies-in-mh17-werent-fresh

corpses had been dead for days
http://www.coloradonewsday.com/ne...rpses-had-been-dead-for-days.html

MH Flight 17 bodies already stunk, they'd been dead awhile
http://matrixbob.wordpress.com/20...blood-already-smelled-badly-video

The downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10912

EBOLA virus information, threatens U.S.A. and the world
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/ftopic4791-36.php

Idea
CJ

There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves,
lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient, unholy, without love,
unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, treacherous,
having a form of godliness but denying its power.
2 Timothy 3  excerpted

Pondering August 4
Malaysia plane vanishes March 8, 2014 and we dont know if its reappeared.
Disease experts taken to Diego Garcia within 24-hours of MH370 diversion.
Ebola confirmed in west Africa March 23, 2014
July 17, 2014 MH17 down in Ukraine, story stinks, full of suspicious oddities.

Some speculate MH17 was MH370, they claim bodies already dead were on plane.
MH17 bodies had coagulated blood - meaning they died prior to entering Ukraine zone.
Were they ebola patients intended as war on east Ukraine and Russia?
MH370 had suspicious cargo, perhaps nuclear or biological - ebola?
Were MH370 passengers unwitting guinea pigs for ebola vax testing?

Malaysia Flight MH370 was called missing but
Did it crash over Ukraine in July 2014 ?

http://cj.myfreeforum.org/ftopic4777-48.php

EBOLA virus information, threatens U.S.A. and the world
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about4791.html

Idea
CJ

MH17 crash
October 9, 2014
 Dutch minister says passenger wore oxygen mask
We have been LIED to about this situation and so many others!
Dutch FM Frans Timmermans has said that one of the 298 people killed in the downing of a Malaysia Airlines plane over eastern Ukraine was found wearing an oxygen mask.
His revelation casts doubt on the theory that all on board died instantly when the plane was hit by a missile.

An initial report in September said flight MH17 broke up in mid-air after being hit by "objects" that "pierced the plane at high velocity".  Rebel leaders deny shooting it down.
Timmermans mentioned the oxygen mask during an interview on Dutch TV.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29548942
http://rt.com/news/194436-mh17-crash-oxygen-mask
CJ

Australia PM says will confront Putin at G20 over downed flight MH17 'murders'
October 13, 2014  
-   Australian PM Tony Abbott said he would use an upcoming G20 leaders summit to confront Russian President Vladimir Putin over the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 and the "murder" of Australian citizens.

Abbott needs to shut up.  He has no idea who or what downed MH17.
Russia is blamed for the jetliner downed in east Ukraine.  However, the Kiev nazi govt is MOST probably to blame.
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-New...downed-flight-MH17-murders-378710
CJ

Exclamation   MH17 shot down from air
October 28, 2014
-  The chief Dutch prosecutor investigating the MH17 downing in eastern Ukraine does not exclude the possibility that the aircraft might have been shot down from air.
The Dutch team is open to the theory that another plane shot down the Malaysian airliner.

Following the downing of the Malaysian Airlines MH17 flight in July 2014, Russia released  data which showed a Kiev military jet tracking MH17 just before the crash. No explanation was given by Kiev as to why the military plane was flying so close to a passenger aircraft.
http://rt.com/news/199891-dutch-investigation-mh17-crash


Exclamation  MH17 shot down by Kiev jet
November 15, 2014
This appears to have been a false flag attack by the Kiev Ukrainians all along!
HOURS before the G20 summit is due to start in Brisbane, Russia released satellite images which it claims shows the Malaysia Airline’s flight MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian (KIEV) fighter jet, not a missile. Putin was confronted by Australian PM Tony Abbott in Beijing.
The flight from Amsterdam was brought down over eastern Ukraine on July 17, killing all 298 people on board including 38 Australian residents and citizens.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/new...ster/story-fniztvng-1227123846130

That's not MH17
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...s-showing-fighter-jet-attack.html
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/...9m-mrc-d-partially-obscured.4006/
http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Malaysia-Airlines

Source forum
http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/v...hot-down-by-Ukrainian-fighter-jet

AUSTRALIA news
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/ftopic2507-36.php

G20 Summits
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about1302.html
CJ

I do not call Kiev nazis 'Ukrainians.'  
From following this on RT, BORG websites and on the very weedy internet 0bama wants to censor, I have concluded Kiev / US shot down the plane called MH17 - which some believe was MH370. (Diego Garcia?)

In USA we cannot know what it true, we are lied to so much and the net garden is so weedy.
What I believe is based on items I read which are most logical - to me.

-  0bama sent snipers to Kiev - to shoot at both sides in 2013 and start this
-  Kiev shot the plane down - All Russia is doing is protecting his people (for now)
-  There were dead bodies on plane before shot at
-  One of the pilots KNEW plane'd be downed, planned overfly war zone
-  rumor US took a planeload of gold out of Ukraine to NYC

I truly hate to say this, and its disturbing to say -
but several times in the last 5 years I have seen Putin being the good guy -
compared to the Kenyan.  It appeared to me Putin stopt WW3 in Syria last year.  OK off topic.

MH370  (my forum)
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about4777.html

UKRAINE
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about137.html

Ukraine law FORBIDS GMO - and Monsanto has a plant there
CJ

Kiev shot down MH17
December 24, 2014
-  Russian Investigation confirmed the claims by a Ukrainian, who said he witnessed the deployment of a Ukrainian warplane armed with air-to-air missiles on the day the Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 was shot down.
An anonymous Ukrainian citizen voiced his allegations.
The investigators used a polygraph during the interview, which showed no evidence of the witness lying.

“The facts were reported by the witness clearly and with no inconsistencies. The investigators lean towards considering them truthful. A polygraph examination confirmed them too.
“According to his account, he personally saw the plane piloted by [Ukrainian military pilot] Voloshin armed with R-60 air-to-air missiles.”  

The witness is likely to be taken into protective custody in Russia because his life may be threatened.

The Ukraine confirmed on Wednesday that a Captain Voloshin does serve as a military pilot in the country’s armed services. But it said he didn’t fly any missions on the day the Malaysian Airlines flight was shot down.  The Russian Defense Ministry made public radar data indicating that a Ukrainian military jet capable of taking down the airliner with an air-to-air missile was in the vicinity of MH17 at the time of the incident.
http://rt.com/news/217295-mh17-ukraine-military-plane

I have never doubted this is what happened - but I still think there is a LOT more behind this - and it could relate to the missing MH370 too.
Remember, Putin's plane flew thru that very airspace within an hour of this incident.

Unlikely we will ever know the whole story.
Obama blamed Russia for several things RUSSIA DID NOT DO!
YOU DONT GO TO WAR OVER A PASSEL OF LIES!
.............. or .......... do they ...............
CJ

Malaysia MH370 accident calculated
January 31, 2015
news.com.au  -  Malaysia saying MH370 was an accident may have been a carefully calculated move to help streamline the compensation process.  The declaration added that all 239 passengers and crew on board the Malaysia Airlines flight were presumed dead.
An international aviation lawyer said it was no coincidence that the announcement came the day after the airline proposed a compensation scheme for next-of-kin of the MH17 tragedy.
The announcement in successive days of ‘we are now going to litigate MH370 after offering the MH17 victims this scheme’ is just calculated to let everybody know this is how we’re going to handle it.
http://tinyurl.com/MH370calc
CJ

Fighter jets shot down MH17
April  25, 2016
-  Malaysia Flight 17 was shot down over Ukraine by another plane - not by an air-to-ground missile.  Nearly 2 years after Malaysia Airlines plane plummets over Ukraine, witnesses now say they saw it shot down from the air.

7 of 100 witnesses said they saw or heard a fighter plane just before the Boeing-777 plummeted out of the sky in July 2014.  2 fighter jets took it down, one with an air-to-air missile, and one with a canon.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/211388#.Vx38YtQrK9I

Malaysia Flight 17
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about4910.html

UKRAINE
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about137.html

This is exactly what I always believed!

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