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Jesuit pope Francis, Chosen 3-13-13 * antichrist?

 


POPE CHOSEN 3-13-13 at 6pm

NEW POPE is CHOSEN
March 13, 2013
Holy cow!  How illuminati can we get?


Pope16 resigns, INDICTED and Malachi Prophecy
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about3976.html

Evil or Very Mad   Francis worships Lucific, satan, the devil like the other popes - PROOF.
Pope Francis Worships Lucifer at Easter Mass 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTyCiGPWA0I

VATICAN is SATAN'S THRONE
ALL Popes praise satan

http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about2434.html

UNKNOWN Evils of the Vatican, Global Project LUCIFER
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about3523.html


Jorge Bergoglio from Argentina New Pope of the Catholic Church.
He will now be known as Pope Francis
.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wor...11e2-9838-d62f083ba93f_story.html
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013...y-papal-conclave/?test=latestnews
http://washington.cbslocal.com/20...e-smoke-rises-from-sistine-chapel
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stor...ULT&CTIME=2013-03-13-14-10-46

POPE CHOSEN 3-13-13  

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Pope Francis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Bergoglio

Jorge Mario Bergoglio, SJ (born December 17, 1936) is the current pope of the Roman Catholic Church, elected on March 13, 2013 and taking the regnal name of Francis. Prior to his election, he served as an Argentine cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church. He has served as the Archbishop of Buenos Aires since 1998. He was elevated to the cardinalate in 2001.

When NPR was profiling potential popes in 2005, the year Benedict was chosen, it wrote that Bergoglio was:
"Trained as a chemist ... became a priest when he was 32 and an archbishop in 1998. Bergoglio is a Jesuit, which would make him an unusual and perhaps controversial choice for the papacy. His academic credentials abound: He pursued theological studies in Germany, has published three books and has served as grand chancellor of The Catholic University in Argentina. Bergoglio has been praised as being a 'good pastor' with a 'strong capacity for governance with unusual gifts of humility.' Indeed, the archbishop shuns a chauffeur-driven limousine, in favor of public transportation."

Francis I: 'Brothers and sisters, thanks for the welcome. Tomorrow I will pray that Mary safeguard Rome. Good night. Good rest' - @CatholicNewsSvc Story metadata:

Submitted March 13, 2013, 7:34 p.m. GMT from twitter.com/CatholicNewsSvc by editor

Jorge Mario Bergoglio: 5 Facts About the First Latin American Pope

1) He is from Argentina.
Jorge Mario Bergoglio is the first Latin American pope, an Argentine cardinal born in Buenos Aires.

2) He represents change
The front-runner for the position was Italy's Angelo Scola, a European cardinal, but this selection sends a message that the Church is ready to change and embrace Catholics in new countries, in the developing world.

3) He opposes abortion, but is more tolerant on gay issues.
He believes the Church should oppose abortion and is against homosexuality, but also things gay people should be treated with respect.

4) He preaches passion for the poor.
He is critical of corruption in Argentine, is seen as a man of the people, and often walks through the streets of Buenos Aires amongst the people.

5) He has a Jesuit background.
He is one of five children, born to Italian parents, and studied at a Jesuit school.
http://www.policymic.com/articles...out-the-first-latin-american-pope

Coincidence that while the NWO minions are pushing the USA government for immigration reform(and eventually the NAU) now, the new appointed Pope is from Latin America? And to boot, alot of the Churchianity denominations, in particular the corrupt Southern Baptist Convention, are playing their part as well.
BornAgain2

Look at the time stamp on this article - TEN HOURS ago.
wasn't it Noon Central then, and the new Pope's name wasn't announced then?
Yeah, all of this is pre-determined way ahead of time, then they throw in this dog and pony show.

New Pope Reflects Spanish-Speaking Catholics' Importance to the Church
March 13, 2013   (10 hours ago
)
The selection of Jorge Bergoglio of Argentina, a 76-year-old Jesuit who is an advocate for the poor, as the first pontiff from outside Europe
should please many U.S. Catholics, almost 30 percent of whom are of Hispanic or Latino heritage.

Of seven news organizations surveyed about the selection process prior to the conclave, only two, AP and NBC,
had listed the Jesuit cardinal from Buenos Aires as a possible pontiff.
A Reuters interactive that rated the possibilities did not even include the priest now called Francis I.

Early analysis of the selection of Bergoglio, born in Argentina to an Italian railroad worker and his wife,
indicates he may be a compromise candidate who was runner-up to the cardinal who became Benedict in the last conclave,
but Francis is certain to please many Spanish-speaking Catholics.

Argentina's last census placed its total population at 37 million, 70 percent of which are Catholic.
A Population Reference Bureau map, which shows its most recent numbers (from 2004) and projections through 2050,
indicates that Latin America and the Caribbean as a collective region is 83 percent Catholic;
South America has almost 455 million Catholics, or 42 percent of the world’s total number.
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-reflec...e-church-161606915--politics.html
CJ

Smirking face of the Devil discovered in Giotto fresco
The smirking face of the Devil has been discovered hidden in a fresco in the Basilica of St Francis in Assisi.
The Satanic image went unnoticed until now because it is artfully hidden in the folds of a cloud and is invisible from ground level.
The discovery of the fresco face was made by Chiara Frugoni.
I dont see it, but I dont look for Satan.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cultur...-discovered-in-Giotto-fresco.html


UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon expressed the hope that Franipope continues to promote dialogue among religions.
Ban urged continued cooperation between the United Nations and Franipope.
Both UN and Vatican are Evil.


Israeli President Shimon (divide) Peres invites new pope
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pere...es-new-pope-to-pop-over-for-visit


CrIslam, ChrIslam is NAZISM! Spiritual treason! [color=red]666[/size]
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about2044.html

Crislam tries to blend Christianity with catholic and islam.
You cant do that.  They dont blend.  
Christianity is LIGHT
Islam is DARKNESS
Try to blend and you have only darkness

Christianity is TRUTH - Islam is LIES
Christ is Christianity
Satan is Islam
CJ




Matthew 16:18
I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.
http://biblehub.com/matthew/16-18.htm


Who is The Rock?
YESHUA, Christ Jesus, the Messiah is The
Rock on which the Christian Church is built
.

ROCK
is a play on words.  In the original mss its clear, in translations its not clear.
Jesus told Peter he was just a little pebble.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the Rock, was the rock in the desert from which the Israelites drank.  

The true Church is built on the LORD JESUS CHRIST - NOT Peter.
The vatican, pope are the devils cult which has deceived millions into HELL.
The true Church is invisible, has neither wall nor demonation.


FAITH * The ROCK is Christ
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about1362.html


1 Corinthians 10:4
All drank the same spiritual drink. For they were drinking from the spiritual Rock accompanying them, and that rock was Christ. (The Messiah).
http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/10-4.htm


The false prophet Obama meets the Beast pope
Mar 27, 2014
Barack Hussein Obama arrives in Rome March 26 on Air Force One.
Obama will meet Pope Francis at the Vatican for talks on a shared agenda.  (UN Agenda 21)
Unpopular Obama hopes the popes popularity will rub off on him.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-meets...oks-catholic-boost-020914918.html
http://biblehub.com/esv/revelation/13.htm

VATICAN
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about2434.html


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HARBINGER  WARNINGS - Isaiah 9 prophecy
When GOD destroys USA, you cant say He didnt WARN us!
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about2307.html


 
CJ

Peres invites Franipope to Israel
March 14, 2013
several sources
Israeli President Shimon (divide) Peres invites new pope, will be welcomed
Doesnt Peres realize this pope is a Jesuit, sworn to annihilate Israel/Jews, just like Muslims?
The Roman Catholic Church and Islam are the same entity in God's eyes.
This visit was planned for this month before the world was told the pope is a Jesuit.
I expect Franipope and Obama to meet this month in Israel, perhaps in Jerusalem.
Regardless his serene appearance, Franipope heart is evil.
Franipope will continue to advance ties with Jews.  Make them friends then kill them.  Part of Jesuit oath, read it.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pere...es-new-pope-to-pop-over-for-visit


Frankenpope fulfills the prophecy
March 14, 2013
 I am adding what Wilkerson said also
Tom Horn claims Franipope fulfills the Malachy prophecy.
Yes, it appears that way. Chilling.  Fulfills what Pastor-Prophet David Wilkerson prophecied in 1973 also.
David Wilkerson spoke of a Super Church which would seriously persecute the true Christians (non-Catholics).
The persecution of charismatic Catholics will be the worst - from within the RCC
.

Horn writes Malachy NAILED the prophecy.  Jorge Mario Bergoglio is Italian (Roman) and a Jesuit.
The name Petrus Romanus implies this pope will reaffirm the authority of the Roman Pontiff over the Church and will emphasize the supremacy of the Roman Catholic false church above all other religions.
Jesuit order was organized to stop Protestantism, which is the true Christianity, the true Faith in Christ alone.

Horn mentions a Jesuit blood oath.  Click link.
As a Jesuit, Bergoglio makes the perfect Pope to argue in favor of a coming an alien savior, FALSE CHRIST / antiChrist.
Also note this Pope was elected on 3-13-13 at 8:13 (another source said 6.66 - occult numerology) Vatican time while the Pan-SARRS comet crosses our skies.
http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=317

The VISION
David Wilkerson prophecied in 1973


Revelation 13 Beasts gather in Israel next week
Obama to arrive in Jerusalem Israel on March 20th, 2013, 5 days before Passover.
Yeshua, Jesus Christ came to Bethany, 2 miles from Jerusalem, 6 days before Passover.  John 12:1
New Pope Frances is also supposed to come.  Christians wrongly call Passover easter.
What if there is a fake assassination.
BornAgain2


Jesuit logos - The phoenix New World Order logo is also Jesuit - EVIL RISING  Twisted Evil


Jesuit blood oath
From Subterranean Rome
 Edited by me.
Jesuits lead the war on heretics - non-Catholics.  They are as bad as Muslims!
The Jesuits (skull and crossbones) are a Military Religious Order of the Roman Catholic Church.
Oath to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical Kings, Governments, or Rulers.
The Jesuit is taught to be a spy even among his own brethren.
He may even become a Jew among Jews, to gather information better to kill them.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesuits.htm
http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html


Israel welcomes new pope as friend of the Jews
3/14/13  JERUSALEM — Israeli leaders are welcoming the selection of Pope Francis and calling him a friend of the Jewish people.
President Shimon Peres invited the new pope to follow the lead of his two predecessors and visit Israel. In a meeting with Roman Catholic Church leaders in Poland Thursday, Peres called Francis "a man of inspiration that can add to the attempt to bring peace in a stormy area."

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he is sure the "excellent relations" between Jews and Christians as well as between Israel and the Vatican will continue.
Israel's chief rabbinate also welcomed the appointment, saying Pope Francis' "good relations with the Jewish People are well known."
The former archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, has been chosen as the 266th pope.
http://news.yahoo.com/israel-welcomes-pope-friend-jews-205216572.html

Malachy popes prophecy, Petrus Romanus
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about5080.html

Pope16 resigns, INDICTED and Malachi Prophecy
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about3976.


HE IS NOT a FRIEND to ISRAEL, JEW or CHRISTIAN!
CJ

The mafia pope, as Evil as Obama
March 15, 2013
Franipope Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the mafia pope, WILL emphasize the supremacy of the Roman Catholic Church and usurping authority over all peoples of the world.
The Vatican has always been important to the mafia.  Catholics have no clue how Evil it is.  A pope is NOT a successor to Peter, and Peter would be FURIOUS at this claim!  Many popes are more the son of Satan, not all, some.
Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the FRANCISCAN, was born in Buenos Aires, the son of Italian parents.  Franipope is therefore Peter the Roman.  Is he the LAST pope according to St. Malachi.
Jorge Mario Bergoglio is the first Jesuit Pope in centuries.  The Jesuit is a truly Evil order, sworn to kill Christians.
Chardinian Jesuit predictions have been secretly arguing in favor of a coming an foreign alien savior.

Jorge Mario Bergoglio practices liberation theology, a Marxist Socialist Ideology.
Same as Evil Obama
.


ZionsCRY Commentary
LOVE TRUTH even when you dont like it!  This is a warning!
New Franipope tells church to return to the gospel, not just be a charity.
The gospel of the vatican / jesuit is NOT the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
It is the gospel of Satan - to kill the chosen of GOD.
The Rock the true Church was founded upon is Christ - NOT Peter.  1 Corinthians 10:4
The Vatican is anti-Christ, a Beast, Satan's throne.
True Christians are entering a time of persecution in ALL nations including USA.

BEWARE of language.  Those who defend Franipope claim he is 'conservative' but Nazis are also described that way.
The meanings behind language cause great Deception.  LOVE TRUTH even when you dont like it!


FraniPope tied to Argentina Dirty War
March 15, 2013
 Kurt Nimmo, Prison Planet.com
Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the former Archbishop of Buenos Aires who was just elected Pope Francis, was involved in a Dirty War in South America.
Sounds to me like a mafia.  The Vatican is known to launder drug and mafia money.
Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay operation designed to monitor, assassinate and disappear dissidents who threatened the bankster economic operation in South America.
Business Insider article takes the Catholic Church to task for the role it played in this operation.
Argentina executed thousands of political dissidents.

Jesuit Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Franipope, was involved in this.
Well the Jesuit blood oath pledges to kill 'heretics.'11
Bergoglio twice invoked his right under Argentine law to refuse to appear in open court.
Bergoglio headed up the Catholic church during the successful effort by the globalists to dismantle Argentina’s economy.
Argentine military dictatorship was supported by Wall Street bankers and David Rockefeller.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-pope-tied-to-argentinas-dirty-war.html


Franipope war in Argentina
Franipope is willing to butt heads with secular leaders whose politics conflict with the Roman Catholic Church.
He clashed with the Argentina White House.
http://tinyurl.com/Franipope


Twisted Evil
BornAgain2

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-franci...nterfaith-dialogue-221930300.html
Pope Francis lauded for interfaith dialogue
By ALMUDENA CALATRAVA and DAMIAN PACHTER | Associated Press – 4 hrs ago.

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — The election of Pope Francis has thrilled Jewish leaders in Argentina, who predict that their friend will continue to foster warm relations and open dialogue between Catholicism and other faiths during his pontificate.

They've seen it firsthand as recently as December, when then-Buenos Aires Archbishop Jorge Mario Bergoglio lit the first candle on the menorah at Temple NCI-Emanu El during a Hanukkah ceremony.

"He's got a very deep capacity for dialogue with other religions," Rabbi Alejandro Avruj told The Associated Press on Monday, recalling the moment. "He spoke of light as renovation, of the re-inauguration of the temple of Jerusalem 2,200 years ago, and the need to carry light to the world."

As Tuesday's papal installation ceremony draws dozens of Jewish, Orthodox and other Christian leaders to the Vatican, those who knew Bergoglio in his previous role say he considered healing divisions between religions a major part of the Catholic Church's mission.

more
BornAgain2

Pope urges dialogue with Islam, more help for the poor
March 22, 2013
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis urged the West on Friday to intensify dialogue with Islam and appealed to the world to do more to combat poverty and protect the environment.
Speaking in Italian, the new pontiff said richer countries should fight what he called "the spiritual poverty of our times" by re-forging links with God.

"How many poor people there still are in the world! And what great suffering they have to endure!" he told the diplomats in the Vatican's frescoed Sala Regia.
Some critics of the Catholic Church, which has been struggling with scandals and internal divisions, say its rejection of contraception in particular harms the poor.
Others say it does much good in the developing world, running thousands of hospitals, schools, orphanages and hospices.

Francis made his appeal in an address to diplomats accredited to the Vatican, sending a message through them to the leaders of the 180 states with which the Vatican has diplomatic relations.
He urged them to help keep religion central in public life and promote inter-religious dialogue as a catalyst for efforts to build peace.
"In this work (peace building), the role of religion is fundamental. It is not possible to build bridges between people while forgetting God," he said.
"But the converse is also true: it is not possible to establish true links with God while ignoring other people. Hence it is important to intensify dialogue among the various religions, and I am thinking particularly of dialogue with Islam."

Francis, the former Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina, said he was grateful that many Muslim religious and civilian leaders attended his inaugural Mass on Tuesday.
Dialogue, he said, "should help to build bridges connecting all people, in such a way that everyone can see in the other not an enemy, not a rival, but a brother or sister."
He underlined the importance of defending the poor when he explained why he had decided to take the name of St. Francis of Assisi, who is associated with austerity and help for the poor.
"Fighting poverty, both material and spiritual, building peace and constructing bridges: these, as it were, are the reference points for a journey that I want to invite each of the countries here represented to take up," he said.

In his speech, the pope thanked Christians in the developing world "who dedicate themselves to helping the sick, orphans, the homeless and all the marginalized, thus striving to make society more humane and just".
African Catholics have said they want the new pope to champion traditional Church teachings, such as opposing contraception, abortion and same-sex marriage.
Since his election, Francis has drawn attention to the need to defend nature and included it in his speech to the diplomats.

"Here too, it helps me to think of the name of (Saint)Francis, who teaches us profound respect for the whole of creation and the protection of our environment, which all too often, instead of using for the good, we exploit greedily, to one another's detriment," he said.

Francis has set the tone for a humbler papacy. The Vatican said he will hold a Holy Thursday ceremony next week in the chapel of a youth prison instead of in the Vatican or a Rome basilica where it has been held before.
He has also begun inviting outsiders to attend his morning Mass, something which Pope John Paul II did but which Benedict XVI, who is now "pope emeritus", discontinued.
On Thursday, France invited staff of the Santa Martha residence in the Vatican and on Friday it was the turn of Vatican gardeners to attend the morning Mass in the chapel of residence, a spokesman said.

On Saturday, Francis will fly to the papal summer retreat south of Rome to visit Benedict, who last month became the first pope in 600 years to abdicate instead of ruling for life, saying he no longer had the strength to carry out his mission.
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-urges-...ys-world-must-more-103919637.html
BornAgain2

Pope Francis – Spiritually “Founded” on a Contemplative Tradition

“Francis is a Jesuit and his long, arduous formation as a priest was founded on the Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius.” – UK Telegraph

“To think that the leader of the Catholic Church is one who follows in the tradition of Ignatius, whose life has been devoted to finding God in all things.” – Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities

LTRP Note: As we stated in a recent article, Contemplative Spirituality – the Source of the Catholic Church’s Expansion,” contemplative prayer (mysticism) is the tool used to grow the Catholic church. It is also the tool that is drawing all religions together (though called different things in different religious traditions: Sufism, Kabbalah, Samadhi, etc.). In the UK Telegraph article below, the subtitle reads “The power of prayer is bringing Canterbury and Rome together after 500 years.” The article says that Pope Francis’ spirituality is based on the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius.

The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius are named after the founder of the Jesuit Order, and have typically been used by Catholics. However, according to one source, “beginning in the 1980s, Protestants have had a growing interest in the Spiritual Exercises. There are recent (2006) adaptations that are specific to Protestants which emphasize the exercises as a school of contemplative prayer.” Traditionally, Ignatian Spirituality is practiced in a retreat center setting usually with the assistance of a spiritual director. As with other contemplative practices, it is believed that if the Ignatian exercises are practiced, the practitioner can conquer self and become more Christ-like (this is why Ignatian Spirituality is often included in Spiritual Formation programs). There is much that could be said here about Spiritual Formation but we will reserve that for another time.

It is correct to say that Ignatian Spirituality is part of contemplative spirituality. We could give many examples but one case in point to illustrate this would be James Wakefield’s book, Sacred Listening: Discovering the Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius Loyola (Baker Books, 2006). We discuss certain aspects of Wakefield’s book in our The Jesuit Agenda booklet tract. Right now, we’d like to draw your attention to his book to show its ties with contemplative spirituality. The book includes instructions on various contemplative practices such as lectio divina and quotes and references several contemplative advocates, including Tilden Edwards. Edwards, the co-founder of the panentheistic Shalem Institute for Spiritual Formation in Washington DC. made the revealing statement that “This mystical stream [contemplative prayer] is the Western bridge to Far Eastern spirituality” ( Spiritual Friend, p. 1Cool. It couldn’t have been said more accurately, which is precisely why Lighthouse Trails continues its efforts to warn about contemplative spirituality.

When one considers how evangelical leaders such as Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, Focus on the Family, Beth Moore, and many others have promoted contemplative spirituality for many years now, is it really any wonder that Protestants and Catholics are being drawn together? Couple that with efforts such as the Manhattan Declaration (endorsed by numerous Christian figures and organizations) that drew evangelicals and Catholics together from a “moral issues” point of view, and separation between the two didn’t have a standing chance. Put it all together, and the evangelical church is in big trouble. Remember the price that many believers had to pay for breaking away from the Roman Catholic church. They paid with their blood and lives. What would they be saying to us now if they were standing here with us?

For further documentation that Pope Francis is founded on contemplative practices, a statement was issued from the AJCU (Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities) reaffirming the pope’s “Ignatian spirituality,” stating that:

All Jesuits share the experience of a rigorous spiritual formation process marked by a transformative experience with the Spiritual Exercises of Saint Ignatius of Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits. To think that the leader of the Catholic Church is one who follows in the tradition of Ignatius, whose life has been devoted to finding God in all things, and who is committed to the service of faith and the promotion of justice, fills me with great hope. This is a great day for the Jesuits and the worldwide Church. (source)

Article from the UK Telegraph:

“A new Pope, a new Primate and a new life for Christianity”
The power of prayer is bringing Canterbury and Rome together after 500 years
by Charles Moore
UK Telegraph

So far, the combined media knowledge of Pope Francis has not been impressive. We, the public, have been told that he likes travelling on public transport, that he played a controversial role among his fellow Jesuits in the years of the Argentine military dictatorships, and that he “is a conservative but cares for the poor” (that “but” tells you the politics of most ecclesiastical reportage). That’s about it.

I know that the Catholic Church is a huge global organisation, so lots of its cardinals, including Pope Francis, have the cheek to come from funny, faraway places. But one feels that if Jorge Bergoglio had been an Argentine footballer rather than an archbishop, plenty of experts would have been on hand to impart useful information. When it comes to religion, our media are very provincial. We project on to it our Western obsessions, which are mainly sexual. We are alarmed by its breadth and its depth.
http://www.lighthousetrailsresear...rs/2013/newsletters20130319.htm#1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/r...da-new-life-for-Christianity.html
CJ

Castel Gandolfo
Castel Gandolfo, Pope Benedict spectacular temporary retirement home.
A garden at the Apostolic Palace of Castel Gandolfo, the pope's summer residence, on the outskirts of Rome.
Pope Benedict XVI officially stept down on Feb. 28, 2013 and will stay at Castel Gandolfo until renovations on his permanent home are completed.
Even though he is leaving the papacy, he'll remain in sumptuous, familiar surroundings for a few weeks.
Sometime in April, Benedict will take up permanent residence in Mater Ecclesiae, a modest convent for cloistered nuns at the Vatican. (Thats safe for a homosexual male - lol)
The convent is under renovation, however, so in the meantime, Benedict will live at Castel Gandolfo, the small town of about 8,000 people a few miles southeast of Rome that has been the summer retreat for popes for almost four centuries.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_new...tacular-temporary-retirement-home
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castel_Gandolfo
BornAgain2

Monday, March 18, 2013 at 4:14PM
Today's Show: THE POPE, OBAMA & THE DEVIL

Chris discusses the latest episode of the History Channel's "Bible" miniseries, including the widely published belief that the actor chosen to play Satan (during the temptation of Christ in the wilderness) looks almost exactly like President Barack Obama.  In refuting this assertion, the series producer, Roma Downey defended President Obama as a "fellow Christian."  Should believers accept the profession of all those who claim to believe -- without exception?  Is it wrong to question the faith of others who name the name of Christ? Also discussed is the new Pope Francis I -- the first Jesuit pope in history.  What can this mean for the future of Rome, America and the world?

http://www.noiseofthunder.com/sto...OTR_POPE.OBAMA.DEVIL_03.19.13.mp3


Friday, March 22, 2013 at 9:16AM
Today's Show: SPECIAL PROGRAM ON THE JESUITS

In this special 72 minute program, Chris presents a detailed historic overview of the Jesuit Order and the Counter Reformation.  This is in response to the many articles, emails, and queries about the new Jesuit Pope Francis I.  There are still many Christians who are unfamiliar with the Society of Jesus and its purpose throughout history.  This program will help to equip believers to better understand what is currently happening in the Church today and the world around us.  For listeners who have friends or family they wish to edify concerning the true history of the Church and the conflict over the Gospel, this program is designed for that purpose.

http://www.noiseofthunder.com/sto...UITS.SPECIAL.PROGRAM_03.22.13.mp3
BornAgain2

http://www.contendingfortruth.com/?p=4881

End Time Current Events: 3-17-13–Part 1

Table of Contents:
» Psalm 5 Study
» The new Pope was elected on 3/13/2013 at 7:06PM Rome time, which just so happens to be 66 minutes past the 6th hour (666) – Both the date and the time obviously contain strong “Occult Signatures”! This new Pope is also the First Jesuit Pope in the history of the Roman Catholic Death Cult.
» Rick Warren endorses the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope again!–Does Warren understand that the Pope is the future False Prophet?
» The Jesuit “Extreme Oath of Induction” & the Black Pope Exposed

Audio: http://www.contendingfortruth.com...ploads/353.1-3-17-13-DS300002.mp3


http://www.contendingfortruth.com/?p=4876

End Time Current Events: 3-17-13–Part 2

Table of Contents:
» New Pope Tied to Argentina’s Dirty War
» Accused Criminal becomes first Jesuit Pope – Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, tainted with Dirty War allegations & “baby trafficking”, new Pontiff of Rome
» Vatican Department Shares Rome Palazzo With Largest Gay Sauna
» North Korea has thrust the Korean Peninsula back into a state of war as she canceled the temporary Armistice Agreement of 1952–What does the Illuminati plan say about Korea?
» Obama Poised to Carry Out Hostile Military Takeover of US
» Christian family facing deportation by the Obama Administration for Homeschooling
» PENTECOSTALS ACCEPT GAYS
» End Time Flagrant Sodomite Agenda–David’s Homosexual Proposal – The New Normal TV Show

Audio: http://www.contendingfortruth.com...ploads/353.2-3-17-13-DS300003.mp3


http://www.contendingfortruth.com/?p=4870

End Time Current Events: 3-17-13–Part 3

Table of Contents:
» ‘La Santa Muerte’ “Angel of Death” Cult Spreading Across US
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Shroud of Turin returns to spotlight with new pope, new app, new debate
The age-old debate over the Shroud of Turin is being resurrected this Easter — thanks to the attention of a new pope, the creation of a "Shroud 2.0" app, and a new book that claims the cloth dates back to Jesus' time.
The claim immediately faced a wave of criticism, including a harsh statement from Turin's archbishop that some say has driven a stake into the book's heart.

Believers say the centuries-old shroud bears the imprint of Jesus, chemically captured in the cloth at the time of his resurrection. Skeptics say it's a cleverly done medieval fake, wrapped up in highly debatable scientific claims that just won't die.

The newly published Italian-language book — "Il Mistero Della Sindone," or "The Mystery of the Shroud" — recycles some of those claims, adds in some fresh results from single-fiber tests, and makes the argument that the shroud shows the difficult-to-reproduce image of a man who lived sometime between 280 B.C. and the year 220.

If that's not enough to bring the shroud back into the spotlight, there's also the news that Pope Francis, who was named to lead the Roman Catholic Church just last month, will appear on Italian TV on Holy Saturday to introduce a RAI Uno TV appearance of the shroud. "It will be a message of intense spiritual scope, charged with positivity, which will help (people) never to lose hope," the Italian ANSA news agency quoted Turin Archbishop Cesare Nosiglia as saying.

And then there's Shroud 2.0, a free app for Apple's iPad/iPhone (and soon for Android) that lets users zoom in on high-definition images of the shroud and get factoids about its history. The app is being offered by Haltadefinizione, which took photos of the relic in 2008 and collaborated with church officials on the project. Shroud 2.0 is being offered as an "evangelization tool," according to the Vatican's News.va website.

Scientific links
The Catholic Church has taken no official stand on the authenticity of the shroud, which is kept under lock and key in Turin and is only rarely brought out for public display. But over the years, some researchers have tried to show that the shroud goes back to biblical times rather than to the 14th century.

"The Mystery of the Shroud" is the latest book of this genre. It was written by journalist Saverio Gaeta and Giulio Fanti, an engineering professor at the University of Padua. Fanti is part of a controversial research group that has claimed the image on the cloth couldn't possibly have been created by natural means. The new book refers to those past claims, plus a new angle.

That angle has to do with single fibers that were purportedly vacuumed up from the shroud during scientific testing. Fanti and his colleagues put the fibers through a series of mechanical and chemical tests. "Combining the two chemical methods with the mechanical one, it results [in] a mean date of 33 B.C., with an uncertainty of plus or minus 250 years at 95 percent confidence level, that is compatible with the period in which Jesus Christ lived in Palestine," the publishers say in a news release.

Skeptical views
Fanti's claims drew a quick reaction from Joe Nickell, a research fellow at the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry who regularly counters claims from Fanti and other shroud researchers.

"As is typical of a religious rather than scientific agenda, their news was shrewdly released just in time for Easter," Nickell said in a blog posting. "That alone casts doubt on the claims, but there is more."

Nickell pointed out that Fanti's tests "involve three different procedures — each with its own problems — which are then averaged together to produce the result." He said that stands in contrast with 1988's mass spectrometry tests, which yielded a date range between 1260 and 1390. Fanti says those earlier tests were not "statistically reliable," but Nickell and most scientists are sticking with the verdict rendered in 1988.
As a professional skeptic, Nickell can be expected to voice doubt about the book. But criticism also came from Archbishop Nosiglia.

Because there's "no degree of security" as to the authenticity of the fiber samples, the shroud's custodians "cannot recognize any serious value to the results of these alleged experiments," Nosiglia said in a statement quoted by La Stampa's Vatican Insider. The archbishop's comments "put stakes into Fanti's work," Vatican Insider reported.
Somehow I suspect that shroud science is not truly dead, but what do you think? Feel free to weigh in with your own verdict in the comment section below.
http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_new...new-pope-new-app-new-debate?lite=
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Pope refers to "Muslim brothers" on Good Friday
29 Mar 2013
— Pope Francis reached out in friendship to "so many Muslim brothers and sisters" during a Good Friday procession dedicated to the suffering of Christians from terrorism, war and religious fanaticism in the Middle East.
The new pontiff, who has rankled traditionalists by rejecting many trappings of his office, mostly stuck to the traditional script during the nighttime Way of the Cross procession at Rome's Colosseum, one of the most dramatic rituals of Holy Week.
With torches lighting the way, the faithful carried a cross to different stations, where meditations and prayers were read out recalling the final hours of Jesus' life and his crucifixion.

This year, the prayers were composed by young Lebanese, and many recalled the plight of minority Christians in the region, where wars have forced thousands to flee their homelands. The meditations called for an end to "violent fundamentalism," terrorism and the "wars and violence which in our days devastate various countries in the Middle East."
Francis, who became pope just over two weeks ago, chose, however, to stress Christians' positive relations with Muslims in the region in his brief comments at the end of the ceremony.
Standing on a platform overlooking the procession route, Francis recalled Benedict XVI's 2012 visit to Lebanon when "we saw the beauty and the strong bond of communion joining Christians together in that land and the friendship of our Muslim brothers and sisters and so many others."
"That occasion was a sign to the Middle East and to the whole world, a sign of hope," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-refers...others-good-friday-001145243.html


Pope's foot-wash a final straw for traditionalists
Pope Francis has won over many hearts and minds with his simple style and focus on serving the world's poorest, but he has devastated traditionalist Catholics who adored his predecessor, Benedict XVI, for restoring much of the traditional pomp to the papacy.
Francis' decision to disregard church law and wash the feet of two girls — a Serbian Muslim and an Italian Catholic — during a Holy Thursday ritual has become something of the final straw, evidence that Francis has little or no interest in one of the key priorities of Benedict's papacy: reviving the pre-Vatican II traditions of the Catholic Church.

One of the most-read traditionalist blogs, "Rorate Caeli," reacted to the foot-washing ceremony by declaring the death of Benedict's eight-year project to correct what he considered the botched interpretations of the Second Vatican Council's modernizing reforms.
"The official end of the reform of the reform — by example," ''Rorate Caeli" lamented in its report on Francis' Holy Thursday ritual.
http://news.yahoo.com/popes-foot-...aw-traditionalists-004235548.html

Feet washing? You have to admit, this new Pope is doing some things that are really grabbing the world's attention
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THE ENGINEER CORPS OF HELL
March 23, 2013  book by 19th century author, Edwin A. Sherman, who wrote about those men known later as "the Gestapo of the Roman Catholic Church" ... the Jesuits.  In another extended program, Chris continues his detailed history of the Society of Jesus and their attempts to destroy the work of the Protestant Reformation.  What have the great men of history said about the Jesuit Order?  Why have their activities gone so unnoticed in modern times?  What do Christians in the world today need to know about this society?  Today's show is nearly 75 minutes long, and is designed to equip believers for the perilous times in which we live (2 Tim. 3:1).
http://www.noiseofthunder.com/sto....SPECIAL.PROGRAM.TWO_03.22.13.mp3

An hour long, but a VERY good one!


Shroud of Turin goes on display amid new research
VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Shroud of Turin went on display for a special TV appearance Saturday amid new research disputing claims it's a medieval fake and purporting to date the linen some say was Jesus' burial cloth to around the time of his death.
Pope Francis sent a special video message to the event in Turin's cathedral, but made no claim that the image on the shroud of a man with wounds similar to those suffered by Christ was really that of Jesus. He called the cloth an "icon," not a relic — an important distinction.
http://news.yahoo.com/shroud-turi...play-amid-research-164019211.html
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BornAgain2 wrote:
An hour long, but a VERY good one!

THE ENGINEER CORPS OF HELL  March 23, 2013
Today's show is named after the book by 19th century author, Edwin A. Sherman, who wrote about those men known later as "the Gestapo of the Roman Catholic Church" ... the Jesuits.  In another extended program, Chris continues his detailed history of the Society of Jesus and their attempts to destroy the work of the Protestant Reformation.  What have the great men of history said about the Jesuit Order?  Why have their activities gone so unnoticed in modern times?  What do Christians in the world today need to know about this society?  Today's show is nearly 75 minutes long, and is designed to equip believers for the perilous times in which we live (2 Tim. 3:1).
http://www.noiseofthunder.com/sto....SPECIAL.PROGRAM.TWO_03.22.13.mp3


Although this article doesn't discuss the RCC/Jesuits, nonetheless you can see how the Jesuits's agendas over the LONG haul have brought down the foundation walls of this country...

How did the right lose on gay marriage?
3/31/13  Social conservatives have lost the fight on gay marriage, even Rush Limbaugh observes. Regardless of the Supreme Court’s ruling, public opinion seems to have shifted irreversibly. How did it happen? Here are seven ways in which social conservatives fumbled the issue:

1. They never explained how same-sex marriage “harms” heterosexual marriage.
2. They confused their own beliefs with those of mainstream Republicans, who were far less ideological and, in fact, were following the general societal shift.

3. They did not drum out of their ranks anti-gay (as opposed to pro-traditional marriage) voices, who portrayed the entire movement as intolerant and exclusionary.

4. They had no logical objection to states’ popular referendums in favor of gay marriage. With no imperial judiciary to rail against, they were reduced to making an anti-democratic argument that voters couldn’t or shouldn’t be allowed to define marriage as they saw fit.

5. They ignored the plight of heterosexual marriage (soaring divorce rate, rise in single-person households), which made their defense of “traditional” marriage seem insincere.

6. As more gay and lesbian Americans came out to friends, family and co-workers, the anti-gay-marriage voices were handicapped; they argued against an issue in the abstract while gay-marriage proponents could argue that Mike and Sam down the street or Sue and Ann at the office shouldn’t be denied the right to marry.

7. They insisted on federalizing the issue with the Defense of Marriage Act, leading to the current Supreme Court case and turning federalism (usually a conservative cause) into an argument about federal meddling into marriage.

This is not to say that if the social conservatives opposed to gay marriage had only been more deft in their reaction to pro-marriage advocates they could have won the issue. Once marriage became an expression of personal fulfillment (rather than economic necessity or religious edict) for most Americans, the issue was likely lost as soon as gay and lesbian couples showed themselves to be in committed relationships and desirous of the same security and legal rights heterosexual couples enjoy.

Nevertheless, it is instructive for conservatives defending other positions and advancing other causes that certain appeals work (e.g., fairness, inclusion) and certain ones don’t (e.g., appeals to historical norms, religious imperatives) in an increasingly diverse, secular society.

It also should remind conservatives (national security hawks, for example) that they cannot assume a set of assumptions will last forever (e.g., marriage has a distinct religious meaning, international threats are obvious).

Any political principle has to be advanced, taught and supported assiduously or it will cease to carry weight. Living in a political bubble of right-wing media, in which everyone agrees with certain nostrums (e.g. marriage is between one man and one woman, no tax increase is good, we need to spend more on national defense), leaves the right vulnerable to shifts in opinion and outmaneuvered when new, persuasive voices enter the fray. Conservatives should take the gay marriage issue as a warning — and not just on hot-button social issues.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blo...-gay-marriage/?wprss=rss_homepage


Titus 2:3  The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Tit 2:4  That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tit 2:5  To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Tit 2:6  Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
Tit 2:7  In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
Tit 2:8  Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
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http://news.yahoo.com/pope-makes-...-pleas-world-peace-202950073.html
Pope makes Easter pleas for world peace
3/31/13

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis marked Christianity's most joyous day with a passionate plea for world peace, celebrating his first Easter Sunday as pontiff in the enthusiastic company of more than 250,000 people who overflowed from St. Peter's Square.

With eloquent words in his Easter message, Francis lamented enduring conflicts in the Middle East, on the Korean peninsula and elsewhere and remembered the world's neediest people. With physical gestures, he illustrated the personal, down-to-earth caring he brings as a pastor to this new papacy — cradling a disabled child held out to him in the crowd and delightedly accepting a surprise gift thrust at him.

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http://news.yahoo.com/pope-makes-...leas-mideast-peace-101523086.html
3/31/13
Pope makes Easter pleas for Mideast peace

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis delivered a plea for peace in his first Easter Sunday message to the world, decrying the seemingly endless conflicts in the Middle East and on the Korean peninsula after celebrating Mass at an outdoor altar before more than 250,000 people in flower-bedecked St. Peter's Square.

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As popes before him have, he urged Israelis and Palestinians to resume peace talks and end a conflict that "has lasted all too long." And, in reflecting on the two-year-old Syrian crisis, Francis asked, "How much suffering must there still be before a political solution" can be found?

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BornAgain2 wrote:
An hour long, but a VERY good one!

THE ENGINEER CORPS OF HELL  March 23, 2013
Today's show is named after the book by 19th century author, Edwin A. Sherman, who wrote about those men known later as "the Gestapo of the Roman Catholic Church" ... the Jesuits.  In another extended program, Chris continues his detailed history of the Society of Jesus and their attempts to destroy the work of the Protestant Reformation.  What have the great men of history said about the Jesuit Order?  Why have their activities gone so unnoticed in modern times?  What do Christians in the world today need to know about this society?  Today's show is nearly 75 minutes long, and is designed to equip believers for the perilous times in which we live (2 Tim. 3:1).
http://www.noiseofthunder.com/sto....SPECIAL.PROGRAM.TWO_03.22.13.mp3


Here's another case which looks to have Jesuitical, Hegelian Dialectial talk written all over it. For one, where was all of their outrage when Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr appointed Sandra Day O'Conner, Anthony Kennedy, and David Souter to the high court? And two, why didn't these 2 state legislatures(Arkansas and North Dakota) pass laws to ban abortion COMPLETELY? So are they saying just b/c a 6 week life in the womb limit on abortion is considerably less wicked than regular abortions, it makes it not wicked? And 3, why are they waiting until NOW to take up this battle? Why weren't they yelling and hollering when George Jr was President for 8 years?


Rivals prepare for legal battle over abortion bans
3/31/13  Rival legal teams, well-financed and highly motivated, are girding for court battles over the coming months on laws enacted in Arkansas and North Dakota that would impose the nation's toughest bans on abortion.
For all their differences, attorneys for the two states and the abortion-rights supporters opposing them agree on this: The laws represent an unprecedented frontal assault on the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that established a nationwide right to abortion.

The Arkansas law, approved March 6 when legislators overrode a veto by Democratic Gov. Mike Beebe, would ban most abortions from the 12th week of pregnancy onward. On March 26, North Dakota went further, with Republican Gov. Jack Dalrymple signing a measure that would ban abortions as early as six weeks into a pregnancy, when a fetal heartbeat can first be detected and before some women even know they're pregnant.

Abortion-rights advocates plan to challenge both measures, contending they are unconstitutional violations of the Roe ruling that legalized abortion until a fetus could viably survive outside the womb. A fetus is generally considered viable at 22 to 24 weeks.

"I think they're going to be blocked immediately by the courts — they are so far outside the clear bounds of what the Supreme Court has said for 40 years," said Nancy Northup, president of the Center for Reproductive Rights.

The center will be leading the North Dakota legal challenge and working in Arkansas alongside the American Civil Liberties Union's state and national offices. Both Northup and ACLU lawyers say they have ample resources to wage the battles, and they expect victories that would require their attorneys' fees to be paid by two states.
Dalrymple, in signing the ban, acknowledged that its chances of surviving a court challenge were questionable, but said it was worth the eventual price tag — at this point unknown — in order to test the boundaries of Roe.

North Dakota's attorney general, Wayne Stenehjem, initially said lawyers from his office would defend any lawsuits but is now considering hiring outside help. His office is working on a cost estimate for the litigation that could be presented to lawmakers soon.
"We're looking at a sufficient amount to adequately defend these enactments," Stenehjem said.

A lead sponsor of the Arkansas ban, Republican state Sen. Jason Rapert, said threats of lawsuits "should not prevent someone from doing what is right."
He contended that the ban had a chance of reaching the U.S. Supreme Court through the appeals process and suggested that the victory predictions made by abortion-rights lawyers amounted to "posturing" aimed at deterring other states from enacting similar bans.

In both Arkansas and North Dakota, the states' lawyers will be getting pro bono assistance from lawyers with Liberty Counsel, a conservative Christian legal group.
Mathew Staver, the group's chairman, said supporters of the bans were resolved to fight the legal battles to the end, and issued a caution to the rival side.
"They ought to hold off on their celebrations," he said. "The cases have a long way to go through the court system."

The North Dakota ban is scheduled to take effect Aug. 1, along with two other measures that have angered abortion-rights backers. One would require abortion providers to have admitting privileges at a local hospital, the other would make North Dakota the first state to ban abortions based on genetic defects such as Down syndrome.

The Center for Reproductive Rights is reviewing its options regarding the latter two bills, but definitely plans to challenge the 6-week ban before Aug. 1. Northup said her team is pondering whether to file suit in state court or U.S. district court.

In Arkansas, where the 12-week ban would take effect 90 days after the end of the legislative session, abortion-rights lawyers plan to file their challenge in federal court within the next few weeks.
Bettina Brownstein, who will be representing the ACLU of Arkansas in the case, said the U.S. district court with jurisdiction over Little Rock had issued rulings in past abortion-related cases that gave her confidence of victory this time.

"Eventually it could go to U.S. Supreme Court on appeal, but that would take a while, and they may not want to hear it," she said. "It's a question of how much money the state wants to spend."
Northup chided officials in both Arkansas and North Dakota for their willingness to spend taxpayers' money on difficult and divisive legal cases.
"It's important that the citizens of those states realize that every dollar spent to defend blatantly unconstitutional laws is taxpayers' dollars wasted," she said.

Attorneys' fees for the upcoming cases are impossible to estimate at this stage, but Northup said her organization received $1.3 million in fees from Alaska after that state lost a recent case regarding an abortion-related law.
The last few years have been intensely busy for the Center for Reproductive Rights, the ACLU and other abortion-rights legal groups as Republican-controlled legislatures have enacted scores of laws seeking to restrict access to abortion. At least two dozen such measures are currently the target of lawsuits, said Northup, who vowed that her organization "will not let unconstitutional laws go unchallenged."

Some of the recent laws place new requirements on abortion clinics, others require abortion providers to perform certain procedures or offer state-mandated counseling before an abortion can take place.

At least 10 states have passed bills banning abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy on the disputed premise that a fetus can feel pain at that stage. One of those laws, in Idaho, was struck down by a U.S. district judge on March 6, while the laws in Georgia and Arizona have been temporarily blocked by judges pending further court proceedings.
Abortion-rights advocates, while eager to defeat the new bans in North Dakota and Arkansas, worry about the impact of the broader surge of restrictions.

"I don't believe these bans are going to take effect, but the danger is that they make the other laws look reasonable," said Talcott Camp, deputy director of the ACLU's Reproductive Freedom Project. "The ultimate goal is to take this decision away from a woman and her doctor and give it to the politicians."

One of the most frequent targets of the anti-abortion laws is the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, which — in addition to providing a range of other health services — is the nation's leading provider of abortions.

Planned Parenthood's president, Cecile Richards, said she found it frustrating that women "continue to be a political punching bag." But she saw an upside to the wave of anti-abortion legislation: more members and more donations for her organization.
"These attacks have served to energize our supporters," she said. "We've gained 2 million members in the past two years."
There's new energy on the other side as well.

The tough North Dakota laws have been welcomed by the protesters who gather weekly in Fargo outside the state's lone abortion clinic.
Among those on hand for the latest protest at the Red River Women's Clinic was Scott Carew, 50, who had brought two anti-abortion posters nailed to pieces of wood.
"Certainly, we're proud of the governor standing up for life," Carew said. "We're going to keep standing up for life until we can't stand up anymore."
http://news.yahoo.com/rivals-prep...over-abortion-bans-144901559.html
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^^ Info on the Liberty Council law firm representing Arkansas and North Dakota...
Liberty Counsel is a non-profit public interest law firm and ministry that provides free legal assistance in defense of "Christian religious liberty, the sanctity of human life, and the traditional family."[1] Liberty Counsel is headed by attorney Mathew D. Staver, who founded the legal ministry with his wife, Anita, in 1989 and currently serves as its Chairman. Anita L. Staver, his wife, serves as President of Liberty Counsel. A close partnership exists between Liberty University, which was founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell, and Liberty Counsel; Staver serves as Liberty University's law school Dean.[1] In 2004, Liberty Counsel became affiliated with Liberty University/Falwell Ministries and Liberty Counsel opened an office at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia.

Liberty Counsel describes its practice as a First Amendment practice, focused on religious liberties, freedom of speech, church/state issues in public schools and in the public square.

Goals and positions
Liberty Counsel has established its goals revolving around influencing policy and providing courts with the legal rationale to develop precedent favorable to its mission. Although Liberty Counsel has said in the past that its central goal is to educate both its membership and public officials about its view on the role of religion in public life, it now states that its primary goal is to influence policy.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Counsel
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Pope visits "St. Peter's tomb" under Vatican
April 1, 2013
— Pope Francis took an emotional, close-up look at the tomb of 'Peter'.  
Hello?  Peter NEVER WENT TO ROME.
By doing so, Francis became the first pontiff to visit the necropolis, where pagans and early Christians were buried, since extensive archaeological excavations were conducted at the ancient site decades ago, the Vatican said.
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-visits...tomb-under-vatican-181225763.html

CJ NOTE
That is NOT Peters tomb, its Satans throne - where child sacrifice takes place.
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about2434.html

THE SECRET OATH OF THE JESUITS
April 2, 2013  One of the most chilling aspects of the Society of Jesus is the Induction and Extreme oath of the Jesuits, as they enter into the higher levels of the order.  The oath has been quoted by Protestant ministers for hundreds of years, and provided as a warning of the diabolical intent of the Counter Reformation.  A short time ago, John MacArthur made reference to the oath when preaching about the election of the new Pope Francis -- the first Jesuit Pope in history.  Yet many Catholics object to the oath, claiming that there is no evidence of it prior to 1913.  But is this true?  Others claim the oath has been debunked as a complete forgery.  But what is their source?  Are these objections credible?  Or are they yet more examples of Rome attempting to re-write history, in order to cover up the deeds of her past and her plans for the future?
http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/NOTR_JESUIT.OATH_04.02.13.mp3
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Here's another example of Jesuit infiltration into even their own RCC institutions. No, I don't endorse anything that has got to do with the RCC, period, but nonetheless here's another example of these schemes of the Jesuits even on their own...

http://news.yahoo.com/catholic-go...-catholic-students-063214239.html
Catholic Gonzaga University won’t allow Catholic students to form Catholic group
4/6/13

Roman Catholic, Jesuit-affiliated Gonzaga University in Spokane, Washington has refused to recognize the Knights of Columbus as an official student group because — wait for it — the Knights of Columbus is a Catholic organization.

Gonzaga administrators notified the students who had sought the school’s official seal of approval last month, reports The Cardinal Newman Society’s Catholic Education Daily.

“The Knights of Columbus, by their very nature, is a men’s organization in which only Catholics may participate via membership,” reads a letter written by Sue Weitz, vice president for student life. “These criteria are inconsistent with the policy and practice of student organization recognition at Gonzaga University.”

Right here seems like a sufficiently good place to observe that Gonzaga is under the umbrella of the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) — a men’s organization in which only Catholic men may participate via membership.

Anyway, Weitz’s letter went on to explain that she feels “strongly” about Gonzaga’s “commitment to non-discrimination and inclusivity” and is troubled by the fact that “all members of a student Knights of Columbus group must be Catholic.”

“If Gonzaga was an institution that served only Catholics and limited the benefits of the collegiate experience only to them, the decision-making process may have been different,” she also opined. “To embrace the diversity and yet endorse a group based on faith exclusivity is a challenge that cannot be reconciled at this time.”

Weitz did not respond to queries from Catholic Education Daily.

The Knights of Columbus, founded in 1882 by a Connecticut priest, is the world’s largest Catholic fraternal service organization.

A student-organized Knights of Columbus branch was successfully established at Gonzaga in 1999. At some unspecified point thereafter, though, the group’s officially-sanctioned status lapsed.

There also appears to be a building on Gonzaga’s campus named after the Knights of Columbus. According to the GU Bulldog Blog, the bland, brick edifice houses a members-only bar called the Christopher Columbus Club. Members must pay a $20 fee, get referred by another member and be at least 21 years old. (There’s also free food involved, and a t-shirt.)

The students seeking to resurrect the Knights of Columbus at Gonzaga spoke — anonymously — to The Catholic Daily. They said they are now weighing other options. One alternative is to form a group that is wholly separate from the school. Another possibility might be to establish a Knights of Columbus student group as part of the campus ministry.
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Here's probably another example(IMHO, that is) - not only this, but a few states like this are also passing other measures like tightening abortion laws, loosing gun restrictions, etc...pt being that why are they waiting until NOW to do this? Why didn't they do anything about any of this when Bush Jr was President for 8 years?

Prov_12:5  The thoughts of the righteous are right: but the counsels of the wicked are deceit.

Prov_24:24  He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:

Prov_29:2  When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-l...er-ballot-measures-051453734.html
Democrats lose fight in Montana Senate over ballot measures
4/6/13

HELENA, Mont (Reuters) - Over loud objections from Democrats, Montana's Republican-controlled Senate on Friday voted to put proposals on the 2014 ballot that would tighten voter registration and restrict the rights of third parties to compete in general elections.

The measures, which are expected to be approved by the Republican-majority House, do not need approval from the Democratic governor. They would go before Montana voters in November of next year.

Democrats tried to stall action on the bills through a rarely used parliamentary procedure, demanding that the vote be delayed until a missing Democratic senator was found and brought into the chamber.

But Republicans moved forward anyway, prompting Democrats to leap to their feet, shout objections and pound on their desks with everything from coffee mugs to copies of the Montana constitution.

"We did what we had to do and it's done," said Senate Majority Leader Art Wittich.

"I'm saddened by what we saw today - it's worse than Washington, D.C.," Governor Steve Bullock said. "I'm not embarrassed by men and women demanding a right to speak - I'm disappointed by those who denied it."

The measures would ask voters to eliminate same-day voter registration, and put in place a new primary election system that only allows the two political parties that get the most votes in the primaries to be on the ballot in the general election.

Both are seen as benefiting Republicans. Third parties have acted as spoilers for some Republican candidates in recent elections. Same-day voter registration is considered a plus for Democrats.

Any ballot-measure bills that pass the Montana Legislature with a simple majority of both chambers move right to a public vote, bypassing the governor's office.
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http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/st...ncis-as-a-global-spiritual-leader
UN chief hails Pope Francis as a global spiritual leader
April 9, 2013  VATICAN CITY - UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon on Tuesday hailed Pope Francis as "a spiritual leader of the world" and emphasized goals of social justice shared between the Vatican and the United Nations.

"It is very important to meet a spiritual leader of the world," Ban said at the start of his meeting with the Argentine pope, who last month became the first non-European leader of the world's Catholics in nearly 1,300 years.
"The Holy See and the UN share common goals and ideas," said Ban—one of the first world leaders to be received at an audience by the new pontiff.

Francis has called for the Roman Catholic Church to be closer to ordinary people and help the needy, as well as to reach out to people of different religions and non-believers.
"We discussed the need to advance social justice and accelerate work to meet the Millenium Development Goals," Ban said after the meeting.

The international community has undertaken to meet goals including eradicating extreme poverty and hunger and reducing child mortality by 2015.
"Pope Francis is a man of peace and purpose. He is a voice for the voiceless," he said.
Ban said he also invited the pope to visit the United Nations "at his earliest convenience."

The UN leader also commented on the pope's choice to name himself after St Francis of Assisi, saying this was "a powerful message for the many goals shared by the United Nations."
"It speaks loudly of his commitment to the poor, his acute sense of humility, his passion and compassion to improve the human condition," he said.
Ban gave the pope a large book with the Charter of the United Nations in six languages.
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666  Pope Francis Laying Groundwork For One World Religion
April 2013  Beast Time Magazine declared Beast Pope Francis to be the New World Pope
Does Pope Francis intend to help the global elite achieve their goal of uniting all of the religions of the world under a single banner?  Will he be instrumental in establishing a single global religion for the glorious “new age” that the global elite believe is coming?  After he was elected, the cover of Time Magazine declared Pope Francis to be the “New World Pope“, and since his election Pope Francis has made it abundantly clear that he is going to make ecumenical outreach a top priority.  He has spoken of his “determination to continue on the path of ecumenical dialogue“, and he has already held a number of very high profile ecumenical meetings.  Not only has he worked hard to reach out to leaders from various Christian traditions, he has also made it a point to try to acknowledge the mutual bonds that he feels with all other religions.  For example, in one recent address he made it a point to say that he believes that Muslims worship and pray to the “one God” that he also worships.  This “all roads lead to the same God” philosophy is a hallmark of the one world religion that the global elite have been slowly building toward for decades.  The global elite know that even with a one world economy and a one world government, humanity will never be truly united until there is a single global religion.  Unfortunately, this one world religion that they are seeking to establish is diametrically opposed to the Christianity that we find in the Bible.  By throwing out Biblical truth for the sake of “friendship between men and women of different religious traditions“, is Pope Francis fundamentally betraying the faith that he claims to represent?

If there is going to be a one world religion, there will have to be a bond formed between Roman Catholicism and Islam.  CRISLAM They are the two largest religious traditions on the planet, and so any truly “global religion” would definitely require the participation of both of them.
http://endoftheamericandream.com/...oundwork-for-a-one-world-religion

CRISLAM 666  - Religion of the Beast
CrIslam, ChrIslam is NAZISM! Spiritual treason!
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about2044.html
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http://www.gulf-times.com/qatar/1...s--attending-inter-faith-dialogue
Delegates from 75 countries attending inter-faith dialogue
4/22/13

More than 300 delegates from over 75 countries will  attend different sessions of the Doha International Centre for Inter-Faith Dialogue’s  10th annual conference starting  at Ritz-Carlton Doha tomorrow. Doha International Centre for Inter-Faith Dialogue chairman Prof Ibrahim al-Naimi said yesterday the annual dialogue had attracted worldwide attention over the years and it had been successful in bringing together on a single platform an array of representatives of different faiths all along.

“As the dialogue is held for the 10th successive year, its significance is growing across the world and it is evident from the growing numbers of participants from different parts of the world,” said al-Naimi. Held under the patronage of Minister of Justice HE Hassan bin Abdullah al-Ghanem, this year’s conference is spread over three days and covers a number of sessions, involving the participation of representatives of Christian, Muslim and Jewish faiths.

Among those attending the dialogue this year are the representative of Pope Francis and deputy president of the Political Council for Inter-Religious dialogue Fr Miguel Angel Ayuso Guixot, executive director of the Latin American Jewish Congress Claudio Gregario Epelmen and Qatar-based Islamic scholar Dr Ali M A al-Quaradaghi and  Alliance of Civilisations president Nasr Abdelaziz al-Nasr. At the conference, an international award would be announced for an individual who has contributed to strengthening the cause of the inter-faith dialogues at the global level. “The award is being instituted as the Doha dialogue is entering the 10th successful year”, said al-Naimi.

Representatives from the US, the UK, Russia, Austria, Italy, the Vatican, Japan, Argentina, Switzerland, Romania, Ukraine, France, Poland, Germany, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Spain, Morocco, Jordan, Bosnia, Algeria, India, Tunisia, Sweden, Kosovo, Brazil, Palestine, Albania, Chile, Syria,  Indonesia, New Zealand,  the Philippines and  Denmark  are to attend the conference. “We are confident of achieving better results for our mission in coming days,” said  al-Naimi.

Answering a question on how the Doha Inter-faith Dialogue is different from similar endeavours in other countries,  al-Naimi said: “We have been different all along and this has been acknowledged not only by participants in each of the previous editions but also by several global leaders including presidents, ministers, diplomats, academicians and religious heads from across the world.” He stressed  that there was no room for confrontation at the Doha conference and the organisers had reiterated it over and again that their most important mission was the betterment of  humanity and peace all over the world through better understanding of each others’ faith and beliefs.

“We are holding the annual event to listen, understand and enter into dialogue with people of different faiths and make use of the occasion to bring communities closer to each other than what they were before.” Al-Naimi said the growing attendance at the conference showed there were many people who were willing to attend the annual event on their own as delegates and Qatar  looked forward to the participation of such participants who had seen the dialogue as an effective platform to express their views, ideas and concerns.
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Peres and Pope to Team up for Peace Process Resurrection
4/25/13
Peres, the pope and the word “peace’" are virtually interchangeable. All three of them get together next week to try to resurrect the peace process. And don’t forget Kerry is a Catholic more or less.

President Shimon Peres will visit Pope Francis at the Vatican next week in their first diplomatic meting, whose agenda includes the eternal pursuit for peace in the Middle East, “peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians,” the war against poverty and relations between Jews and the Vatican. That is pretty hefty list, but wait. There is more. The mayor of Assisi, where hundreds of Franciscan monks live, will present its first-ever Medal of Honor for Peace to President Peres for his “unique contribution to dialogue and the cause of peace.” Everyone, perhaps even Peres himself, has lost count of all the peace awards he has received. Of course, he won the Nobel Peace Prize, but then again, so did Yasser Arafat.

With every peace award, peace seems to be further over the horizon, but that only makes people like President Peres, the pope and the U.S. State Dept. even more determined than ever to get there. Every year, the “window of opportunity” is closing. Every year, this is the last chance. Every year, a Palestinian Authority-Israeli peace agreement will be signed in a year. Perhaps that is what keeps war in the shadow of peace. Or maybe that is what keeps peace in the shadow of war. Either way, popes are just as good as Peres in preaching peace, pardon the p’s, please. But, wait. There is more. Peres will officially invite Pope Francis to visit the Holy Land. Ouch.

Pope Francis has been to Israel before, when he was beginning his position as Provincial Superior of the Society of Jesus in Argentina When? He arrived just when the Yom Kippur War broke out, according to the Times of Israel. So much for peace. But, wait. There is more. John Kerry, Hillary Clinton’s successor in going around the world in 80 hours 80 times year, also is Catholic, kind of. He does not back abortion but thinks women have the right to make that decision for themselves. That is grounds for automatic excommunication.

Nevertheless, he says he is Catholic, and he, the pope and Peres undoubtedly will be in communication to resurrect their favorite hobby, the peace process. Kerry needs it more than anyone, because without it, he would have to stick to less enjoyable jobs, such as making peace with chemical weapons, teaching the Muslim Brotherhood all about democracy, and convincing himself that Iran is just another tolerant Muslim country that really likes Jews and Christians, especially Catholics. Israel already is getting geared up for pope’s visit, which may happen later this year. The pope really has excited Israeli officials.

Etzion Evrony, Israel’s ambassador to the Vatican, recently met with Pope Francis after his installation. The pope greeted him in Hebrew. Wow. He said  “Shalom.” That means “peace.” It also means “hello.” And it also means “goodbye.”

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/p...-process-resurrection/2013/04/25/
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Pope Francis During Feast of St. George Mass: ‘It is Not Possible to Find Jesus Outside the Church’

During his address on Tuesday in celebration of the Feast of St. George, one of the central messages delivered by Pope Francis to the cardinals gathered was that “it is not possible to find Jesus outside the Church.” “The Christian identity is not an identity card: Christian identity is belonging to the Church, because all of these belonged to the Church, the Mother Church,” he declared to the dozens present. “Because it is not possible to find Jesus outside the Church. The great Paul VI said: ‘Wanting to live with Jesus without the Church, following Jesus outside of the Church, loving Jesus without the Church is an absurd dichotomy.’”

“And the Mother Church that gives us Jesus gives us our identity that is not only a seal, it is a belonging. Identity means belonging,” the pope continued. “This belonging to the Church is beautiful.” During the brief address, Francis gave examples of the apostles who evangelized the world and endured persecution. In doing so, he continued to repeat his theme of the importance of the Church. “Think of this Mother Church that grows, grows with new children to whom She gives the identity of the faith, because you cannot believe in Jesus without the Church,” he asserted. “Jesus Himself says in the Gospel: ‘But you do not believe, because you are not among my sheep.’ If we are not ‘sheep of Jesus,’ faith does not come to us. It is a rosewater faith, a faith without substance.”

more: http://christiannews.net/2013/04/...to-find-jesus-outside-the-church/

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Uhm...you are WRONG, Mr. Francis!

1Cor_3:9  For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

2Cor_5:1  For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
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Pope Francis elected after supernatural 'signs' in the Conclave, says Cardinal
The surprise election of the Pope Francis came about because of a series of supernatural “signs”, one of the leading Cardinals in the Roman Catholic Church has claimed.

5/14/13
Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, the Archbishop of Vienna, who was himself widely tipped as a possible successor to Pope Benedict, said he had personally had two “strong signs” that Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio was “the chosen one” in the run up to vote.

He said only divine intervention could explain the speed with which the Argentine Cardinal - who did not feature on any of the main lists of likely candidates compiled by Vatican experts - was elected.

Speaking to an Anglican conference in London, he also said the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, had a “strange similarity” to the new Pope.

He said that the two elections were a “little miracle” and a “sign from the Lord” that the two churches should work towards closer unity.

Addressing an audience of 5,000 people in the Royal Albert Hall, at a conference organised by the prominent Holy Trinity Brompton church in west London, he said that he was certain that on the evening of March 12, as the papal Conclave began, none of the Cardinals had known who would be chosen.

“It was a tremendous experience of the Holy Spirit,” he said.

“We were driven by the Holy Spirit to this man – he was sitting in the last corner of the Sistine Chapel: This man he is the chosen one.”

He added: “I received at least two strong signs: one I can tell, the other was in the Conclave I can’t speak about – but real signs of the Lord giving me indication ‘he is the one’.”

The Cardinal said that just after a special mass before the Conclave began he came across a couple from Latin America who are friends of his.

He said: “I met them outside the Basilica and I asked: ‘You have the Holy Spirit, can you give me advice for the Conclave that will start in a few hours?’

“And the woman whispered in my ear ‘Bergoglio’, and it hit me really: if these people say Bergoglio, that’s an indication of the Holy Spirit.

“And I’m sure many of us have received similar signs during the Conclave, it wouldn’t have been possible to have this election so soon and so rapidly.”

To applause, the Cardinal went on: “You know there is a strange similarity with your Archbishop Justin, I hope so much that they will meet soon.”

Laughing, he added: “I don’t know the secrets of the ‘conclave’ at Lambeth Palace.

“But it looks like a little miracle that he became the Archbishop, so I think the Lord as given us a great sign through these two elections and other signs and what I have deeply in my heart … it is as if he would say to the world ‘come home, I wait for you’.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/r...n-the-Conclave-says-Cardinal.html
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Merkel and Pope talk about a 'strong' Europe
5/18/13
Pope Francis met with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Saturday during a quick trip to Rome. The two spoke privately for 45 minutes.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, mindful of the importance of Christian voters in September elections, met with Pope Francis on Saturday during a quick trip to Rome that focused on helping victims of Europe's economic crisis and emphasizing the continent's Christian roots.

Merkel spoke privately for 45 minutes with the pope at the Apostolic Palace, after exchanging cordial greetings in German.

Her Christian Democrat party depends heavily on support from Protestant and Catholic voters, and the chat and photo opportunity could be a welcome campaign boost for a leader largely identified by Europe's economically suffering citizens as a champion of debt reduction, including painful austerity across much of the continent.

more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/new...k-about-a--strong-europe/2308757/
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Exorcism? Pope Francis caught on video performing strange ritual on fan

POPE Francis has been embroiled in a scandal after footage emerged today appearing to show him giving a man an exorcism in St Peter's Square.  The astonishing incident between the Pontiff and the person in a wheelchair, took place immediately after Pentecostal mass on Sunday May 19.  The video shows how a priest leans across the boy or young man to tell Francis something, at which point the Pope’s expression becomes more serious.

The Pontiff then grips the top of the subject’s head firmly and is seen pushing him down into his wheelchair. As this is happening Francis recites an intense prayer, and the boy’s mouth drops wide open and he exhales sharply. Francis’s usual smile then returns and he continues with the traditional and more gentle Sunday greetings for sick or disabled visitors to St Peter’s.

La Repubblica newspaper this morning quoted an exorcism expert has saying: “It was a prayer of liberation from evil or even a real exorcism.” The leading Roman exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth, said: “Francis is also the Bishop of Rome and like all bishops he’s an exorcist.” The new Pope has made it quite clear since his election that he believes the Devil, whom refers to as “the Enemy” and “The Prince of this World” is a real force that needs to be fought constantly.

The Vatican has downplayed the incident, filmed by the religious satellite channel TV2000, saying it was simple prayer. The former Pope, Benedict XVI, never performed an exorcism, Francis is on record as having performed them, however, as was Benedict’s predecessor John Paul II.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XHYFiAH4hY

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homep...-ritual-on-fan.html#ixzz2TwR2Q4Pp
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2...pope-francis-atheists-can-be-good
5/22/13
Pope Francis says atheists can be good

Just do good, and we'll find a meeting point, says Francis in marked departure from Benedict's line on non-Catholics


Atheists should be seen as good people if they do good, Pope Francis has said in his latest urging that people of all religions, and none, work together.

The leader of the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics made his comments in the homily of his morning mass at his residence, a daily event at which he speaks without prepared comments.

He told the story of a Catholic who asked a priest if even atheists had been redeemed by Jesus.

"Even them, everyone," the pope answered, according to Vatican Radio. "We all have the duty to do good," he said.

"Just do good, and we'll find a meeting point," the pope said in a hypothetical reply to the hypothetical comment: "But I don't believe. I'm an atheist."

Francis's reaching out to atheists and people who belong to no religion is in marked contrast to the attitude of his predecessor, Benedict, who sometimes prompted complaints from non-Catholics that he seemed to see them as second-class believers.
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Francis could organise peace meeting between world’s three major religions, in Rome
5/29/13
Israeli government sources say the Pope spoke to President Shimon Peres in a meeting between Jews, Christians and Muslims, aimed at speaking out against violence. Rabbi Rosen has asked for steps to be taken to bring peace to the Holy Land

Israeli government sources claim Francis is apparently thinking of calling a meeting between leaders and faithful of the world’s three biggest monotheistic religions, in Rome, to launch a message of peace, countering violence and the use of God’s name to justify hatred and terrorist acts. The sources say the Pope announced his intention to call a meeting, during an Audience last 30 April. But there was no mention of this in the communiqué the Holy See’s issued after the Audience.  

President Peres “told the Pope that there are people who use God’s name to justify terrorism” and religious leaders should “say out loud that God did not give anyone permission to kill their neighbour.” According to the information contained in a summary of the Audience received by the Israeli government, Francis told Peres he “whole-heartedly supported” his appeal against violence and that “he wanted to promote a meeting between religious leaders and faithful of the three major religions” founded by Abraham, “in Rome”. The aim would be to “make people see” that the religions “oppose violence and terrorism.”
 
If these statements were indeed made during the Audience, it looks like the Pope is thinking about possible peace initiatives that would be restricted to the world’s three major monotheistic faiths. It would not be an interreligious meeting involving all faiths, like the Assisi gatherings organised by John Paul II and then by Benedict XVI in 2011. Readers will remember that in January 2002, just a few months after the 9/11 attacks in the U.S., Pope John Paul II convened a special meeting of religions in Assisi, in order to make it crystal clear that in no way could violence and terrorism be justified on theological grounds.
 
But in Israel, there are those who would like religions to nudge politicians to come up with viable solutions to the conflict in the Middle East. The President of the International Council of Christians and Jews (Iccj), Rabbi David Rosen, has asked the Pope to help leaders of the Jewish and Muslim religions to promote an initiative for peace in the Holy Land. Speaking to a group of Italian journalists, Rosen suggested the Pope convene a meeting between the Holy Land’s religious leaders, in Jerusalem, to pray for peace in the region. “2015 could be a perfect time to do this as it will mark the fiftieth anniversary of the promulgation of “Nostra Aetate”, the Second Vatican Council declaration on the Relation of the Church with Non-<wbr></wbr>Christian Religions”. The Rabbi said an initiative like this was important as it would “boost political efforts to resolve conflicts in the region.”

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it...rancesco-francis-francisco-25236/
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Pope Francis: `Gay lobby' exists inside Vatican Shocked
6/11/13
Pope Francis said a “gay lobby” exists inside the Vatican, according to a Catholic website, a surprising disclosure from a pope who has already delivered his share of stunners, and a resurrection of church conflicts that had bedeviled his predecessor's papacy.

“In the Curia,” Francis said, referring to Catholicism’s central bureaucracy, “there are holy people. But there is also a stream of corruption.”

“The 'gay lobby' is mentioned, and it is true, it is there,” Francis continued. “We need to see what we can do.”

Hints of a "gay lobby" at the Holy See surfaced last year in reports about a series of embarrassing leaks to Italian journalists.

Cardinals appointed by Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI to find the source of the leaks investigated high-level Vatican clergy involved in homosexual affairs who might have been vulnerable to blackmail, according to La Repubblica, a leading Italian newspaper.

The "Vatileaks" scandal factored in Benedict's shocking decision to resign, according to some church experts, as it impressed upon the 86-year-old pontiff that the modern papacy requires a vigorous presence.

Francis' enigmatic comments came during a meeting Sunday with CLAR, the Latin American and Caribbean Confederation of Religious Men and Women, who head Catholic communities of priests, sisters and monks. The Chilean website Reflection and Liberation, which focuses on liberation theology, first reported Francis’ remarks.

A Vatican spokesman told CNN, "The Holy See Press Office has no official comment on the private meeting."

Gay and lesbian Catholic groups did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests said, "structure, not sexuality, is the real issue."

"The church is a monarchy. Monarchs are unaccountable. So many monarchs are corrupt. This is true in both secular and religious institutions," SNAP said in a statement.

Other Catholics counseled caution about reading too much into the pope's remarks.

"We don't have any explanation of what 'gay lobby' means," said Rocco Palmo, a Vatican watcher who runs Whispers in the Loggia, a website on Catholic news and church politics.

"Naturally, some in the church will try to polarize or interpret this, but as the rest of us aren't pope, we still have to get further explanation," Palmo added.

Church experts say the Chilean report rings true since the wide-ranging conversation centers on concerns that Francis has made touchstones of his nascent papacy.

In contrast to the buttoned-up Benedict, Francis has earned an early reputation for speaking off the cuff, often ditching prepared remarks in favor of more informal conversations.

On Friday, Francis nixed his “boring” speech and instead took questions from young Catholic students. Asked by a little girl if he wanted to be pope, Francis laughed and said that only someone who “doesn’t love himself” would want the position.

"He has said some things that would turn Benedict whiter than the papal vestments," Palmo joked.

Francis told the Catholic leaders on Sunday to focus on the poor, that the Vatican must be reformed, and joked that whoever wagered on his long-shot election as pope “won a lot, of course.”

But his comments on the "gay lobby" are likely to gain the most attention, especially in the West, where Catholic leaders have been mounting a fierce fight against same-sex marriage.

After Benedict announced his resignation in February, reports circulated that a “gay lobby” had forced his hand.

The Italian newspaper La Repubblica reported that a church investigation into the leaks found evidence of a “gay lobby” within the Vatican but gave few details about it.

"Some high level clergy are exposed to the `external influence' – what we would call blackmail – of lay people to whom they are connected through ties of a `worldly nature,'" La Repubblica wrote.

The Vatican blasted the newspaper reports as “unverified, unverifiable and completely false.”

Francis is one of the few Catholic leaders to have seen the Vatican report.

The so-called Vatileaks scandal led to Benedict's butler, Paolo Gabriele, being convicted on charges last year of leaking private papers from the the pope's private office. He was sentenced to 18 months in prison.

'Gay lobby' behind pope's resignation? Not likely

John Allen, CNN’s senior Vatican analyst, has said it would have been odd if the Vatican report had not considered the possibility that "insiders leading a double life," including sexually active clergy, might be vulnerable to pressure to betray the pope.

“It seems a stretch, however, to suggest this is the real reason," behind Benedict's resignation, Allen said. The veteran Vatican-watcher said it's more likely the pope resigned for his stated reasons, that he's elderly and wanted a younger man to take the demanding job.

Those demands include overhauling the church's central bureaucracy, which has been riven by infighting and turf wars, according to Vatican insiders.

In one of his first actions as pope, Francis created a council of eight cardinals, including Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston,  to offer suggestions on reforming the Vatican.

“The reform of the Roman Curia is something that almost all Cardinals asked for in the congregations preceding the Conclave,” Francis said, referring to the meetings that led up to his election in March. “I also asked for it.”

But Francis said that he cannot promote the reform himself. “I am very disorganized,” he said “I have never been good at this.”

Instead, the pope said, he is relying on his eight appointed cardinals to move the reforms forward.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/201...-gay-lobby-exists-inside-vatican/
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Pope wades diplomatically into gay marriage debate
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-wades-...ay-marriage-debate-125515261.html
6/14/13

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis waded diplomatically into the gay marriage debate Friday, telling the Archbishop of Canterbury he wants to work together to promote family values "based on marriage."

Francis, who vigorously opposed gay marriage in his native Argentina, and Archbishop Justin Welby chatted, prayed and had lunch together at the Vatican in their first encounter since both were installed in March.

Welby, the spiritual leader of the 77 million-strong Anglican Communion, has opposed legislation in Britain that would legalize gay marriage, saying it would undermine family life.

He appeared last week before the House of Lords before it moved the gay marriage bill a step closer to becoming law. The legislation would enable gay couples to get married in both civil and religious ceremonies in England and Wales.

In his remarks to Welby, Francis said he hoped they could collaborate in promoting the sacredness of life "and the stability of families founded on marriage." He noted that Welby had recently spoken out on the issue, a reference to his House of Lords testimony.

Significantly, though, Francis didn't say that marriage should be based on a union between a man and woman, which is how Benedict XVI and John Paul II routinely defined marriage.

Vatican officials said it was a diplomatic attempt to make his point without making a provocative pronouncement. Francis has steered clear of the gay marriage debate as it has recently roiled France and Britain, and in general has refrained from making headline-grabbing comments on hot-button current events.

As archbishop of Buenos Aires, however, the former Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio didn't shy away from voicing strong opposition to gay marriage, though he was pragmatic in sensing Argentina was heading in that direction.

Realizing the church couldn't win the fight outright, Bergoglio urged his fellow Argentine bishops to lobby for gay civil unions instead, according to the then-cardinal's authorized biographer. The bishops shot down the proposal and the church lost the issue altogether when the South American nation legalized gay marriage in 2010 — the first country in the region to do so.

Bergoglio once called gay marriage an "anthropological step backward."

"If there's a private union, then third parties and society aren't affected," he wrote. "But if they're granted marriage rights and can adopt, there could be children affected. Every person needs a masculine father and a feminine mother to help them settle their identity."
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Israel-Vatican deal on land use said imminent
June 6, 2013  
Deputy FM, in Rome, says agreement could be signed this year; Holy See to receive permission for two new churches
Deputy Foreign Minister Ze’ev Elkin was in Rome for high-level negotiations with Vatican officials over several outstanding land and building issues revolving around properties owned by the Holy See in Israel.
Elkin visited the Holy See to continue decades-long talks on a comprehensive land deal between Israel and the Vatican, Maariv reported Thursday.

Elkin told the Hebrew daily that, after meeting with the Vatican negotiating team and then separately with Pope Francis I, he thought an agreement would be signed by the end of the year, which would pave the way for the new pope’s promised visit to the Holy Land. Elkin’s meetings Wednesday were the first such negotiations in two years.
The two main points of discussion revolved around Vatican requests to build two new centers in Israel.

The Church has long lobbied to build a new church in a section of the Caesaria National Park where a church dedicated to St. Paul once stood. The area is now an archaeological and tourist site. Israel had previously refused the request, but now it seems Jerusalem will approve the construction of a center in the area, as long as the new complex does not have outward Christian religious symbols or resemble in its design a traditional church.

The other main issue is a plot of Vatican-owned land on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, currently used as a parking lot, but desired by the Holy See for a church. Israel won’t allow the land to be used for construction, but has reportedly offered use of an alternative swath of land in the capital.

A structure on Mt. Zion known as the Cenacle, where the Last Supper is believed to have taken place, will become open to Catholic worship once again, Italian newspaper La Stampa reported. The site will be administered by the Franciscan order but ownership will remain with Israel. The structure, also known as the “Upper Room,” rests above what’s believed to be King David’s Tomb, although many archaeologists differ on whether the Jewish king was actually buried there.

La Stampa reported in late May that under the terms of a possible agreement, commercial activities run on church properties such as restaurants or souvenir shops will become subject to Israeli sales tax.
The extensive properties owed by the church will continue to be exempt from paying property tax.

Israel and the Vatican signed an agreement in 1993 dealing with property and tax rights for Roman Catholic Church properties in Israel, which paved the way for the opening of full diplomatic relations between the two states in 1994, but several outstanding issues remained, leading to on-again off-again negotiations over the years.

“The negotiations took place in a thoughtful and constructive atmosphere… significant progress was made and the parties committed themselves to accelerate negotiations on the remaining issues, and look forward to an expedited conclusion in the near term,” a press release jointly issued by Israel and the Vatican said.
During his time in Rome, Elkin is to meet with Italian Prime Minister Enrico Letta and Foreign Minister Emma Bonino to discuss issues of concern to both countries. Elkin is scheduled to continue on to Russia next week.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/isra...an-deal-on-land-use-said-imminent


Pope Francis: Ramadan Will Bear Abundant Spiritual Fruit
Yeah - Satanic fruit, demons, murders of Christians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFFP9M_ayTI

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http://www.chick.com/bc/2013/newpope.asp
New Pope; Same Old Deception
Issue Date: July/August 2013

Common to the popes is a strong thread of ecumenism: the thrust to unify all religions, including “Christians.” Evangelical leaders have swallowed the bait, working together on “common causes” such as abortion, biblical marriage, and sanctity of life.

This cooperation clouded the anti-Christ factors of: salvation by works, pope’s authority as Christ’s vice president on earth (Vicar), purgatory, priestcraft hierarchy, and worship of the wafer god and the Virgin Mary goddess. Even though Roman Catholicism has all the features used to define cults such as Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses, Evangelicals have bought the lie that it is just another “denomination,” with a different worship style.

Christianity Today headlined an article, “A Pope for All Christians,” just before Francis was elected. In it is a quote about Catholic-Evangelical relations by Brian Stiller, a global ambassador for the World Evangelical Alliance: “Not in 500 years have the two sides been so close and friendly.” The tone of the article is clearly that we are all Christians with a common gospel and brotherhood. “Whether we Protestants like to admit it or not, though, there is a single person in Rome who can influence Christians of every stripe to work more heartily in the cause of Christ…,” the article concludes.

Now that he has the Protestants in his pocket, the new pope went on to make an astounding statement in a recent speech: “The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class! We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all! And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace.”

This is a bold disregard of a huge block of scriptures that draw a clear line between believers and unbelievers. Redemption is what happens to believers only. It is offered to unbelievers, but if they reject it they remain unredeemed sinners no matter how much “good” they do. It is clear that this pope plans to continue the campaigning of previous popes to become the head of the coming one-world religion. This modern push for ecumenism began in earnest at the Second Ecumenical Council at the Vatican during the early 1960s.

Having failed to blunt the Reformation by inquisition and world wars, Rome decided to try the honey of deception. A world-wide campaign began to seduce the Protestants into believing that Catholicism was just another denomination.

Now that that is accomplished, the push is on to bring in the other religions. In 2011, Pope Benedict held a fourth meeting in Assisi, France, of delegates of a dozen world religions from Muslim to Hindu to Yoruba. Pope John Paul II had hosted similar meetings in 1986, 1993 and 2002 to pray together and discuss world peace.

From the above quotes, it is obvious that Pope Francis is continuing to push this “unity,” sacrificing the Bible along the way. With a Jesuit pope in place we can expect a renewed drive by the Jesuits of their agenda to bring all religions under the authority of the papacy.

Few voices are raised today against this prostitute “church,” identified in Revelation 17 and 18. Many years ago Jack Chick was led to pick up the Reformation’s message that the Vatican was the Whore of Revelation. Several tracts, books and comics are now available in our catalog and on the chick.com website.
BornAgain2

One hell of a deal: Pope Francis offers reduced time in Purgatory for Catholics that follow him on Twitter

7/17/13

Court in charge of forgiveness of sins says those that follow upcoming event via social media will be granted indulgences

Court in charge of forgiveness of sins says those that follow upcoming event via social media will be granted indulgences.

"Salvation – or at least a shorter stay in Purgatory – might now be only a tweet away with news that Pope Francis is to offer “indulgences” – remissions for temporary punishment – to the faithful who follow him on the social media site.

Around 1.5 million are expected to flock to Rio de Janeiro to celebrate World Youth Day with the Argentine pontiff later this month. But for those who can’t make it to Brazil,  forgiveness may be available to contrite sinners who follow Francis’s progress via their TV screen or social networks.

The Sacred Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican court that rules on the forgiveness of sins, has said that indulgences may be given to those who follow the “rites and pious exercises” of the event on television, radio and through social media.

The Penitentiary said that Pope Francis' Twitter account, which has already gathered seven million followers, would be one such medium.

Vatican officials, noted however, that to obtain indulgences over the internet or otherwise, believers would first have to confess their sins, offer prayers and attend Mass.

“You can't obtain indulgences like getting a coffee from a vending machine,” Archbishop Claudio Maria Celli, head of the pontifical council for social communication, told the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news...ollow-him-on-twitter-8713666.html
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/07/21/Francis-Gay-Scandal
7/21/13
Report: Pope Francis Appointee Has History of Gay Affairs

There’s a fresh set of scandalous tales circulating around the Vatican.

Depending on whom you ask, it’s either the infamous “gay lobby” scrubbing the personnel records of a misbehaving priest to protect one of their own, or it’s opponents of Pope Francis’ efforts at reform – who may or may not be members of the infamous “gay lobby” – whipping up falsehoods about a priest who only wants to help Francis hose out dirty dealing from the Institute for Works of Religion, aka the “Vatican bank.”

Both options are unsavory, and neither one bodes well for the 76-year-old Argentinian-born pope’s aim of stamping out corruption in the heart of the Roman Catholic Church – or for the Church’s ongoing troubles with dishonorable and dishonest priests who neither take seriously its moral teachings nor their sacred vows.

On July 18, Sandro Magister, a longtime, respected reporter on Vatican issues, published a piece in the weekly L’Espresso magazine, titled “The Prelate of the Gay Lobby.”

In it, he claimed that 57-year-old Monsignor Battista Ricca, a veteran Vatican diplomat recently appointed by Pope Francis to serve as his representative, or “prelate,” at the Vatican bank, has long been living a not-very-secret double life.

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Pope: Resist "idols" of money, power, pleasure
24 Jul 2013  Pope Francis urged Catholics to resist the "ephemeral idols" of money, power and pleasure during a pilgrimage to one of the most important shrines in Latin America
Francis celebrated the first public Mass of his trip to Brazil after praying before the statue of Our Lady of Aparecida, Brazil's patron saint. His eyes welled up with emotion as he stood silently in deep prayer before the tiny dark-skinned statue.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130724/DA7NUUEO1.html

Religion News: Pope Francis travels Brazil without bulletproof Popemobile  July 2013
http://www.tauntongazette.com/rel...il-without-bulletproof-Popemobile

Not that I endorse the previous Popes, but none of them said anything along the lines of the current one.
http://living.msn.com/love-relati...953ed-4b60-4017-ac88-9f5798b21397


Pope scolds rich, demands social justice in visit to Brazil slum
(Reuters) - Pope Francis on Thursday issued the first social manifesto of his young pontificate, telling slum dwellers in Brazil that the world's rich must do much more to wipe out vast inequalities between the haves and the have-nots.
The pope also urged Brazil's youth, who have taken part in recent protests showing discontent with the status quo, to keep alive their "sensitivity towards injustice" and be a catalyst in the fight against corruption.

The first Latin American pope, who has rallied the Church on behalf of the poor and who lives more austerely than his predecessors, called for a "culture of solidarity" to replace the "selfishness and individualism" prevailing in modern society.
"No one can remain insensitive to the inequalities that persist in the world," he told residents of Manguinhos, a sprawling shantytown, or favela, of ramshackle brick dwellings that until recently was overrun by violence and controlled by drug lords.
http://www.reuters.com/article/20...pope-brazil-idUSBRE96M18G20130725
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...een-as-good-step-toward-inclusion
7/29/13
Pope's remarks seen as good step toward inclusion

Pope Francis’ comments Monday about gays triggered welcome reactions -- though most observers said his remarks merely reflected a tone of openness that he has set for his papacy and not a change in policy.

“If a person is gay, and looks for the Lord and had goodwill, who am I to judge them?” the pontiff said at a news conference in which he addressed the reports of a "gay lobby" within the Vatican.

Mary Ellen Lopata, who co-founded Fortunate Families, a networking ministry with Catholic parents of LGBT children, said it was a “refreshing statement after years of hearing less welcoming statements from church leadership” and called it a “good first step to understanding and love.

“I sense what he is saying is that we are all children of God and we need to treat each other that way regardless of our sexual orientation,” she said. “If that is indeed what he is saying, I think that is a good step forward for reconciling with gay and lesbian people around the world, and also their families.

"Much that’s been said in past years by church leaders has been very hurtful not only to gay and lesbian people but to their families as well.”

But Mark Dowd, a former Dominican friar in the U.K. who left the church partly because he fell in love with a former friar, doubted the comments represented a significant shift in the church, saying it made “a nice headline” and not much else.

“On a scale of zero to 10 about where we need to be, that’s moving from about zero to three as opposed to nine or ten,” said Dowd, a freelance broadcaster specializing in religion.

The official position of the Catholic Church on the issue is that while homosexual desires or attractions are not in themselves sinful, the physical acts are.

The pontiff’s remarks made for “good common ground,” said Marianne Duddy-Burke, executive director of Dignity USA, a group of LGBT Catholics.

“If someone loves the Lord and has goodwill -- the reality of that describes an awful lot of LGBT people,” she said. “There are a lot of LGBT people of faith who are working very hard to hold onto their faith and I think it would be important for us to bring our stories to the pope and other church leaders to move this conversation forward.”

A key step would be bridging the gap between some church leaders who engage in anti-gay rhetoric and their parishioners, many whom support LGBT rights, Duddy-Burke said. Fifty-four percent of Catholics support same-sex marriage, according to a Pew Forum poll released earlier this year.

“If Francis can be an instrument in healing that divide, we would certainly welcome that and are happy to partner with him,” she said, while noting that only time would tell what impact his remarks would have on daily life.

“How many times in recent months have we seen bishops indicate a willingness to look at the question of civil unions or some sort of legal recognition of same-sex couples (but) only a day or two later they have been forced to retract their statements? Will that happen with the pope? I don’t know, but I would hope that certainly even a change of tone or an indication of openness to discussing these issues is helpful," Duddy-Burke said.

LGBT advocacy groups recalled the pope’s speaking out against same-sex marriage in Argentina – where he was an archbishop and cardinal -- as well as the right for gay couples to adopt.

“This pope had a much more difficult relationship with gay people and the work to end anti-gay discrimination when he was in Argentina but since assuming the papacy he seems to be opening his heart and moving in the right direction,” said Evan Wolfson, president of Freedom to Marry.

“Certainly to have this kind of statement coming from the pope should create much more political space for decision makers (rather) than the constant pressure to discriminate that we heard from prior popes.”
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http://lastdayswatchman.blogspot....omosexuality-and-abortion-in.html
7/29/13
The Pope, Homosexuality and Abortion in Brazil

As reported by Daily Mail, “The pope has said that he ‘will not judge’ gay priests. Speaking to reporters on a flight back from his week-long visit to sexually permissive Brazil, Pope Francis said he ‘would not stand in judgment’ of gays in the Vatican and that they should not be discriminated against. The pontiff’s remarks about gays mark a more conciliatory approach than his predecessor. Benedict signed a document in 2005 saying that men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests.”

Speech about not judging gay priests is a surprise, considering that the massive scandal involving pedophilia in the Catholic Church is largely linked to homosexuality among priests.

But the bigger surprise, at least to pro-life leaders in Brazil, is that socialist Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff is about to sign into law a pro-abortion bill, and the pope did not address any specific message about this urgent situation in Brazil. He left Brazil without speaking up against this imminent threat.

How can now Rousseff be pressured by pro-life Catholics and evangelicals when even the pope showed no willingness to tackle directly the abortion issue?

As an evangelical Christian, I think that the pope could make his controversial remark on homosexuality in another time. The absolute priority right now is to speak up against the imminence of abortion legalization in Brazil.

Why did not he speak?
BornAgain2

Pope reaches out to Muslims
8/11/13  Pope Francis offers greetings to Muslims around the world to mark Eid al-Fitr, calling for Christians and Muslims to work towards "mutual respect"
http://news.yahoo.com/video/pope-reaches-muslims-151933388.html


Former Pope Benedict Resigned Because 'God Told Me To' Rolling Eyes
8/21/13  In his first statement to the press since stepping down from the papacy in February, 86-year-old former pope Benedict has said he left his office because God directed him to.
http://www.christianpost.com/news...ned-because-god-told-me-to-102716
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Gove...ch-Plans-Massive-Push-for-Amnesty
8/22/13
Catholic Church Plans Massive Push for Amnesty

If you attend Mass on September 8th, it is likely the priest's homily will be less about spiritual matters and more about the political imperative of passing an amnesty law for the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants. Last week, the Catholic Church announced a massive, coordinated effort to press Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform, including a pathway to citizenship. Catholics make up the largest single religious group in Congress.

“We want to try to pull out all the stops,” Kevin Appleby, the director of migration policy at the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, told the New York Times. Appleby said the immigration issue was at a now-or-never moment. “They have to hear the message that we want this done, and if you’re not successful during the summer, you’re not going to win by the end of the year.”

The Church is planning advertising, phone calls and marches targeting 60 Catholic House Republicans. Over 130 members of the House are Catholic, including Speaker John Boehner.

The Church's effort in support of amnesty seems broader and more coordinated than its actions against an ObamaCare mandate requiring coverage of contraception. In recent years, the Church has been more vocal in its criticism of abortion, but even that seems muted in comparison with current plans on immigration reform.

Bishops and priests in the major dioceses in the country will coordinate their messages and homilies throughout September. More than a dozen have committed to holding special Masses or other events on September 8th, the day before Congress returns from recess.

Hispanics now make up the the largest single demographic group in the Catholic Church. This was a contributing factor in the election of Pope Francis, the first Pontiff from the Americas. In a way, the Church's efforts to pass amnesty legislation is tending to its base congregation.

Catholic Democrat Rep. Dan Lipinski expressed skepticism about the Church's efforts. “There are some issues that the church speaks authoritatively on, such as abortion, in protecting life,” Lipinski told the Times. “And then there are prudential judgments that are made, informed by Catholic theology, but it’s not something that Catholics are required to follow.”
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Vatican readmits leftist thinking
THE Vatican has begun a historic move to rehabilitate the leftist Catholic movement known as "liberation theology" as the Pope refocuses the church on the poor.
L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican's official newspaper, devoted its centre spread to defending the virtues of liberation theology, which had been anathema since the Cold War.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/n...king/story-fnb64oi6-1226712346954


Liberation theology[1] is a political movement in Roman Catholic theology which interprets the teachings of Jesus Christ in relation to a liberation from unjust economic, political, or social conditions. It has been described by proponents[who?] as "an interpretation of Christian faith through the poor's suffering, their struggle and hope, and a critique of society and the Catholic faith and Christianity through the eyes of the poor",[2] and by detractors as Christianized Marxism.[3]

Although liberation theology has grown into an international and inter-denominational movement, it began as a movement within the Catholic Church in Latin America in the 1950s–1960s. Liberation theology arose principally as a moral reaction to the poverty caused by social injustice in that region. The term was coined in 1971 by the Peruvian priest Gustavo Gutiérrez, who wrote one of the movement's most famous books, A Theology of Liberation. Other noted exponents are Leonardo Boff of Brazil, Jon Sobrino of El Salvador, Óscar Romero of El Salvador, and Juan Luis Segundo of Uruguay.[4][5]

The influence of liberation theology diminished after proponents were accused of using "Marxist concepts" leading to admonishment by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) in 1984 and 1986. The Vatican criticized certain strains of liberation theology for focusing on institutionalized or systemic sin, apparently to the exclusion of individual offenders and offences; and for identifying Catholic Church hierarchy in South America as members of the same privileged class that had long been oppressing indigenous populations since the arrival of Pizarro onward.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
CJ

Atheists go to heaven, said pope
Sept. 13, 2013
 Pope Francis assures atheists they dont have to believe in God to go to heaven.
When will catholics learn the pope is a tool of satan?  Being a catholic or muslim means going to hell from which is no escape - ever!
Unbelievers would be forgiven by God if they followed their conscience.
This is a LIE from the pit of hell.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news...-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html


Messiah Jesus Christ said,
I AM the Way the TRUTH and the LIFE. NO one comes to the Father but through Me.
John 14:6

ONLY ONE WAY - JESUS CHRIST, Son of GOD
There is Salvation in no one else, for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven
that has been given among men by which we must be saved.  Acts 4:12

If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord,
and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9

THIS IS THE JUDGMENT
that The Light has come into the world,
and men loved Darkness instead of Light
because their deeds were evil.  

GOD so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have
Eternal LIFE. For God did not send his Son into the world
to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

He who believes in Him is not judged;
he who does not believe has been judged already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only
begotten Son of God.  John 3:14-19
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/0...francis-to-be-the-best-pope-ever/
9/13/13
MSNBC's Chris Hayes declares Francis to be ‘the best pope ever’

Chris Hayes of the MSNBC show “All In with Chris Hayes” said on Thursday that he thinks Pope Francis, who has only been in office for a few months, is the “best pope ever.”

Francis has been calling and talking to individuals personally by phone. He has declared that atheists are not all doomed to burn in Hell forever. He has said, “Who am I to judge?” with regards to LGBT people.

“You know who I freakin’ love?” Hayes asked. “This new pope. Pope Francis. You know who I’m talking about, right? The pope. Are you watching this guy? Because you should be. It’s early, but I’m thinking…best pope ever.”

Hayes was raised Catholic but stopped attending services in college. Pope Francis, he said, is restoring his hope for the institution of the church.
CJ

Is the pope catholic?
Sept. 16, 2013  
Current pope shakes up church.
I think I can safely guarantee you this pope will NOT be in heaven!
Due to recent pronouncements, Pope Francis has many Catholics wondering if the Catholic Church will survive Pope Francis papacy.
He said athiests can get to heaven!
And the Vatican will rethink celibacy and the clergy, suggesting priests and nuns might be allowed to marry.
Pope Francis said homosexuality is an intrinsic moral evil, but said he doesnt judge if someone is a Sodomite.
He left the door open for  salvation apart from belief in God.
I think I can safely guarantee you this pope will NOT be in heaven!
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/is-pope-francis-even-catholic
BornAgain2

The whole "culture wars" abortion/homosexual agenda debate that went on since 1980(when Reagan ran for President) up until Obama got elected in 2008 - started by the Vatican by having their "religious right" agents carry out the Hegelian Dialectic solely on these 2 issues. Now the torch has been passed to the "religious left" agents hired by the Vatican.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_new...age?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1
9/19/13
Pope Francis says church cannot focus only on abortion and gay marriage

Pope Francis said in an interview published Thursday that the Catholic Church cannot focus only on abortion, contraception and gay marriage, and that the moral structure of the church will “fall like a house of cards” if it does not find better balance.

The pope acknowledged in the interview that he has been criticized for not speaking more about those three issues, but he said that the church must “talk about them in a context.”

While the teaching of the church on those subjects was clear, he said, “It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.”

The pope’s remarks draw a contrast with both the doctrinal focus of his predecessors, John Paul II and Benedict XVI, and with church leaders in the United States and around the world who have urged him to speak more publicly about homosexuality, abortion and birth control.

“We have to find a new balance,” he said in the interview, published in Jesuit journals across the world. “Otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel.”

He added: “The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.” ???

The pope, since his installation in March, has focused on the poor and those on the margins of society. He has also drawn praise from some parishioners for gestures of humility and frugality. He has declined some of the trappings of the papacy, and personally returned the phone calls of some of the faithful who have written to him.

On homosexuality, the pope said that he used to receive letters in Argentina, where he was a cardinal before his elevation, who were “socially wounded” and felt that the church had condemned them.

“But the church does not want to do this,” he said. “Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: It is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.”

He went on: “A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: When God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person.”

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Acts 10:34  Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Matthew 3:7  But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8  Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Mat 3:9  And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Mat 3:10  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 3:11  I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
CJ

This pope is a nightmare!
Sept. 20, 2013  Pope Francis approves Sodomy, abortion and contraception

Pope Francis has been saying some queer things!
Pope Francis calls for greater compassion, less condemnation by Catholic clergy on SINS.
Pope Francis said the Catholic Church had become obsessed by *small-minded rules* about how to be faithful
and that priests should instead emphasize compassion over condemnation when discussing Sodomy SIN, abortion and contraception.
Since so many priests are sodomite pedophiles, I guess this pope would rather join them than oppose them.

Francis said he has been reprimanded for not pressing church opposition to abortion in his papacy.
Francis has no problem with Sodomite priests.
However, Almighty GOD damns such wicked sin as an abomination!
For the few Catholics who are actually Christians, this pope is a nightmare!
http://www.newswithviews.com/Duigon/lee218.htm
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/pope-i...en-a-right-winger/?cat_orig=faith
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pope...-church-emphasis-on-abortion-gays
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013...hurch-to-speak-about-gay-marriage

Shocked
BornAgain2

http://news.yahoo.com/american-ca...aring-pope-francis-131052270.html
American Catholics like what they're hearing from Pope Francis

Pope Francis said in an interview this week that the Catholic Church's emphasis needs to turn from sexual issues to the ‘freshness and fragrance of the Gospel.’ Polls show most American Catholics agree.

9/21/13

Pope Francis shook up the Roman Catholic world this week with his comments about abortion, contraception, and gay marriage, saying such moral and doctrinal issues should not be overemphasized at the cost of “losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel."

In the United States, many Catholics hailed what the pope had to say in a lengthy interview in a Jesuit publication, which may not be surprising given attitudes here seen as more liberal than official church doctrine from Rome.

• By 55-43 percent, most American Catholics say abortion should be legal in “all or most cases,” according to a Washington Post/ABC poll in July.

• Eighty-two percent of Catholics in the US say birth control is morally acceptable, Gallup found last year – not much less than the 90 percent approval among all adults polled.

• In March, a Quinnipiac University National Poll found that most Catholic voters (54-38 percent) support same-sex marriage – higher than the 47-43 percent general approval rate. "Catholic voters are leading American voters toward support for same-sex marriage," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.


• Also, according to the Quinnipiac Poll, most American Catholics say priests should be allowed to marry (62-30 percent), say the church’s ban on contraception should be relaxed (64-28 percent, including 68-24 percent among women), and support Present Obama's position that religious-based institutions, such as hospitals and universities, must arrange for their insurance companies to provide birth control coverage for employees (51-41 percent).

“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods," Francis said in the article published Thursday in Jesuit journals in 16 countries. "We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel."

In a move no doubt intended to answer those church members and clergy – including some bishops – holding to a more traditionally conservative view, the pope on Friday spoke out on abortion.

Speaking to Catholic doctors at the Vatican, Pope Francis condemned the “throwaway culture” abortion promotes, saying, “Our response to this mentality is a ‘yes’ to life, decisive and without hesitation.”

“Every unborn child, though unjustly condemned to be aborted, has the face of the Lord, who even before his birth, and then as soon as he was born, experienced the rejection of the world,” he said.

Still, liberal Catholics in the US welcomed the pope’s message in the earlier interview.

“This message resonates with so many Catholics because it reflects our personal experiences—Catholics are gay and lesbian; Catholics use birth control and Catholics have abortions,” Jon O’Brien, president of Catholics for Choice, said in a statement.

“We truly hope that this is just the start; that Pope Francis doesn’t only talk the talk, but also walks the walk,” Mr. O’Brien said. “We hope he takes steps to ensure that his more open view of how the church should deal with people trickles down to his brother bishops around the world, who oversee large numbers of hospitals and medical centers.”

We also hope that this attitude starts to take effect immediately at the United Nations, where the Vatican continues to take extreme positions against contraception, abortion and sexual and reproductive rights, having a very negative impact on the lives of Catholics and non-Catholics throughout the world,” he said.

As the Pew Research Center’s Religion & Public Life Project pointed out last week, the pope has made headlines by condemning the use of chemical weapons, leading a prayer vigil for peace in Syria, vowing to reform the Vatican bureaucracy, washing the feet of young prisoners (including two women) during a Holy Thursday ceremony, and taking a humble approach to the trappings of the papacy, including his decision to reside in a modest residence rather than more spacious accommodations.

A Pew poll taken Sept. 4-8 shows that 79 percent of US Catholics view Pope Francis favorably. “Francis receives his strongest support from those who say they attend Mass at least once a week, with 86% of this group expressing a favorable view of the pontiff,” Pew reported.

The pope’s evident popularity is not lost on the church hierarchy in the United States.

Bishop Thomas Tobin of Providence, Rhode Island, last week said in an interview with his diocesan newspaper that he was "a little bit disappointed" that Francis hadn't spoken out about abortion.

On Friday, in an official statement responding to the pope's remarkable interview in La Civilta Cattolica, Bishop Tobin said he admired Francis' leadership.

"Being a Catholic doesn't mean having to choose between doctrine and charity, between truth and love. It includes both. We are grateful to Pope Francis for reminding us of that vision," Tobin said.

Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who as head of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops has taken a lead role in voicing the U.S. church's opposition to contraception and gay marriage, said the church isn't the only one obsessed with such issues – today's culture is.

"Every pope has a different strategy," Cardinal Dolan told "CBS This Morning." ''What I think he's saying is, those are important issues and the church has got to keep talking about them, but we need to talk about them in a fresh new way. If we keep kind of a negative finger-wagging tone, it's counterproductive.”

“I think what he’s saying is those are important issues, but we need to talk about those issues in a fresh, new way,” Dolan said. “Instead of talking about these hot-button issues, why don’t we talk about tenderness and mercy and the love we have for one another?”

To which most American Catholics evidently say, “Amen.”
BornAgain2

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Shocked

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_new...ney?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1
9/22/13
Pope attacks global economy for worshipping 'god of money'

CAGLIARI, Sardinia — Pope Francis made one of his strongest attacks on the global economic system on Sunday, saying it could no longer be based on a "god called money" and urged the unemployed to fight for work.

Francis, at the start of a day-long trip to the Sardinian capital, Cagliari, put aside his prepared text at a meeting with unemployed workers, including miners in hard hats who told him of their situation, and improvised for nearly 20 minutes.

"I find suffering here ... It weakens you and robs you of hope," he said. "Excuse me if I use strong words, but where there is no work there is no dignity."

He discarded his prepared speech after listening to Francesco Mattana, a 45-year-old married father of three who lost his job with an alternative energy company four years ago.

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http://m.thelocal.fr//20130921/french-imams-to-meet-pope
9/21/13
French imams to meet pope

AFP | 21 Sep 2013, 10:01

A group of 10 French imams will meet Pope Francis on Wednesday in the latest sign of rapprochement between the Vatican and the Muslim world.

The meeting has been organised by Marek Halter, a French Jewish author known for promoting religious tolerance who has organised similar initiatives in the past.

"I thought: Here's a pope who can do what the previous pope didn't do. He can reconcile Christianity with Islam," Halter said.

Relations between the Vatican and the Muslim world were strained in recent years and Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's Cairo-based highest seat of learning, broke off ties with Francis's predecessor Benedict XVI for what it regarded as controversial statements.

Benedict had strongly called for protection of Christian minorities after a January 2011 suicide bombing at a church in Egypt.

He also sparked fury in the Muslim world in 2006 when he recounted an anecdote in which a Byzantine emperor described Prophet Mohammed as a warmonger who spread evil.

But Francis has made several conciliatory gestures. In August he called for "mutual respect" between Christianity and Islam.

The public meeting is due to take place in Saint Peter's Square in Rome during the weekly papal audience, and will last some 15 minutes.

Hassen Chalghoumi, a Muslim community leader in the Paris suburb of Drancy who is in favour of France's burqa ban, will be among those travelling to Rome aboard the plane of Tunisian film producer Tarak Ben Ammar, a friend of Halter's.
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Why atheists are starting their own global church
http://news.yahoo.com/why-atheist...-own-global-church-130500790.html
9/23/13

Pope Francis is significantly upping the Catholic Church's buzz quotient, but another congregation is hoping to take America (and other countries) by storm. Like Methodism and Episcopalianism, the Sunday Assembly is a British import, but with a difference: This church doesn't believe in God. It's motto is "live better, help often, and wonder more." It's striving to be a global atheist religion.

Stand-up comedians Sanderson Jones and Pippa Evans started the original Sunday Assembly in a decommissioned London church in January, and there are now five congregations in the Sunday Assembly Everywhere (SAE) denomination: Three in Britain, one in New York, and one in Melbourne, Australia. Starting Oct. 22, Evans and Jones are starting a "global missionary tour" to visit the four branch congregations and set up new ones in 18 other cities in Britain, Scotland, Ireland, the U.S., Canada, and Australia.

The stated goal is to have "a godless congregation in every town, city, and village that wants one" — and hopefully 30 to 40 by the end of December. If they reach that goal, the Sunday Assembly says in a press release, "the 3000 percent growth rate might make this non-religious Assembly the fastest growing church in the world, catering to the fastest growing belief / non-belief group."

There are certainly enough atheists, agnostics, and humanists to fill up the pews, if they're interested. A growing number of Americans and Europeans fall somewhere toward the skeptical end of the organized-religion spectrum. And they're getting better organized, even aggressive.

But how is the Sunday Assembly different than a civic organization or social club, or even a TED talk, that meets on Sundays? (Jones says the church-expansion model draws heavily from TEDx, which franchises TED conferences around the world.) Are the atheists just trying to troll Sunday (religious) churchgoers?

It appears Jones and Evans are earnest in their quest to found the great atheist church. Nimrod Kamer at Don't Panic walks us through a Sunday Assembly service, and introduces us to the proselytizers-in-chief. (Warning, Samuelson throws a few F-bombs during the service.):

Jones and Evans promise that the Assembly "will solace worries, provoke kindness, and inject a touch of transcendence into the everyday," and then they give a hint to some things a really good Rotary Club luncheon may not provide: "Life can be tough... It is. Sometimes bad things happen to good people, we have moments of weakness or life just isn't fair. We want The Sunday Assembly to be a house of love and compassion, where, no matter what your situation, you are welcomed, accepted and loved."

**This is no different from the typical 501c3, organized "Christian" church nowdays.

Katie Engelhart at Salon says she "did not need to be sold on the idea" of a godless church:

I don't think religion should have a monopoly on community. I like the idea of a secular temple, where atheists can enjoy the benefits of an idealized, traditional church — a sense of community, a thought-provoking sermon, a scheduled period of respite, easy access to community service opportunities, group singing, an ethos of self-improvement, free food — without the stinging imposition of God Almighty. [Salon] Harry Cheadle at Vice admits he started on his path toward atheism because he "wanted to stay home on Sundays." But the idea of an atheist church has him reconsidering his aversion to organized religion:

Since I'm an atheist, I'll base this claim on data: Studies have shown that those who go to church are happier, more optimistic, and healthier than others; attending religious services helps kids fight depression and by some (admittedly biased) accounts makes people more charitable. Obviously most atheists won't have a very good time gathering at a church or synagogue or temple where everyone is devoted to praising and beseeching an imaginary being, but if you believe these studies, they could do with attending something like church. [Vice]

Jones hopes that the Sunday Assemblies will start taking on some of the community functions traditionally performed by churches: Sunday school, weddings, funerals, non-religious baptisms (or "naming ceremonies"), among others.

**These "traditions of men" seem to never go away.

But a funny thing is happening as Jones and Evans try to expand their godless religion, says Salon's Engelhart: "As the 'atheist church; becomes more 'Church' than ever, it is working to downplay its Atheism." That may not sit well with committed atheists; Ian Dodd, one of the founders of the nascent Los Angeles branch, tells Salon he found Unitarian Universalism "a little diluted." Engelhard frets that "the Sunday Assembly refusing the 'atheist' label seems akin to Ms. Magazine deciding that 'feminist' is a bad word after all."

The draw of a like-minded community might well overcome all that. It won't be the first time atheists have tried to band together, Nick Spencer at Theos tells Britain's The Guardian. In the 19th century, non-religious people formed hundreds of "ethical unions," focused on good works and community, with services structured along the lines of a church liturgy. They lasted for a generation or two. Spencer explains:

The reason for that was because you need more than an absence to keep you together. You need a firm common purpose. What you can see in these modern-day atheist churches is people united by a felt absence of community. I suspect what brings them together is a real desire for community when in a modern, urbanized individualized city like London you can often feel very alone. That creates a lot of camaraderie, but the challenge then becomes, what actually unites us? [Spencer, to The Guardian]

*And this has been the big problem in these modern-day "Christian" churches - they focus much more on HORIZONTAL relationships, than with a relationship with THE FATHER IN HEAVEN(Jesus Christ).

Ephesians 4:4  There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5  One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6  One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:7  But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ
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Ian Dodd, the Los Angeles Assembly co-founder, isn't daunted by atheism's definitional lack of common faith: "The church model has worked really well for a couple of thousand years," he tells Salon. "What we're trying to do is hold on to the bath water while throwing out the baby Jesus."
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Pope expresses good will to Muslims in letter to Sunni imam

Cairo, Egypt, Sep 23, 2013 / 01:03 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Pope Francis has indicated respect “for Islam and Muslims” in a letter to the head of the main cultural institution of Sunni Islam, marking the end of Ramadan.

Ahmed el-Tayeb, grand imam of al-Azhar University, perhaps the highest authority in Sunni thought, received the Pope’s letter at the hands of Archbishop Jean-Paul Gobel, apostolic nuncio to Egypt, on Sept. 17, Fides News Agency reported.

A statement from the Cairo-based university said that the Holy Father’s letter expressed hope in the attempt to further “understanding among Christians and Muslims in the world” and “to build peace and justice.”

Secretary of the Patriarchate of Alexandria of the Catholic Copts, Fr. Hani Bakhoum, told the agency that the Roman Pontiff’s letter “is a way of expressing the deep sense of respect and affection that the Catholic Church, the Holy See and the Pope have towards all Muslims and especially of al-Azhar, which is the most representative institution of moderate Sunni Islam.”

“Surely this letter will help over time to put aside any misunderstanding and also resume to bilateral dialogue with the Holy See.”

Following an attack on the Coptic Cathedral in Alexandria on New Year’s Eve in 2011, dialogue between the Holy See and al-Azhar was interrupted when, according to Fides, the university “interpreted Pope Benedict XVI’s statements on the need to protect Christians in Egypt and the Middle East as an undue Western interference.”

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com...-muslims-in-letter-to-sunni-imam/
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2 popes reach out to atheists in apparent campaign
9/24/13

Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI has emerged from his self-imposed silence inside the Vatican to publish a lengthy letter to one of Italy's most well-known atheists. In it, he defends his record on handling sexually abusive priests and discusses everything from evolution to theology to the figure of Jesus Christ.

Excerpts of the letter were published Tuesday by La Repubblica, the same newspaper which just two weeks ago published a similar letter from Pope Francis to its own atheist publisher.

The letters indicate the two men in white — who live across the Vatican gardens from one another — are pursuing a collaborative campaign of sorts to engage non-believers. It's a melding of papacies past and present that has no precedent.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/wor...-in-apparent-campaign-4838638.php
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http://news.yahoo.com/pope-urges-...urch-modern-spirit-122534863.html
Pope urges reform, wants church with modern spirit
10/1/13

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis says he doesn't want a "Vatican-centric" church concerned about itself but a missionary church that reaches out to the poor, the young, the elderly and even to non-believers. That's the vision he laid out as he opened a landmark meeting Tuesday on reforming the 2,000-year-old institution.

**This is the same thing the Emergent Church pushes...no surprise, as the EC is pushing RCC agendas.

Francis convened the inaugural meeting of his eight cardinal advisers for three days of brainstorming on revamping the antiquated Vatican bureaucracy and other reforms. The move fulfills a key mandate of the cardinals who elected him: They wanted a pope who would involve local church leaders in helping make decisions about the 1.2-billion strong church.

The closed-door meeting got underway against the backdrop of one of the most tangible signs that change is already afoot: The secretive Vatican bank, under investigation for alleged money-laundering by Italian prosecutors, released its first-ever annual report Tuesday, the latest step toward financial transparency championed by Francis and his predecessor Benedict XVI.

Net earnings at the bank, known as the Institute for Religious Works, rose more than four-fold to 86.6 million euros ($116.95 million) in 2012, the report said. More than 50 million euros of that was given to the pope for his charitable works.

Francis has put the Vatican bank on notice, forming a commission of inquiry to look into its activities amid accusations by Italian prosecutors that its clients may have used its lax controls to launder money. The bank's two top managers have already resigned and a Vatican monsignor has been arrested after trying to smuggle 20 million euros into Italy from Switzerland without declaring it at customs.

Francis has formed another commission of inquiry to look into the Vatican's overall financial health, but his decision to name the eight cardinals from around the world as a permanent advisory panel represents the most significant sign that he wants to shake things up at the Vatican.

No decisions are expected this week and Francis himself has said the reform process will take time.

The eight cardinals include Sean O'Malley, the archbishop of Boston and a longtime friend of Francis; Cardinals Oswald Gracias, archbishop of Mumbai, India; Laurent Monsengwo Pasinya, archbishop of Kinshasa, Congo; and Reinhard Marx, archbishop of Munich and Freising, Germany, all of whom head bishops conferences in their regions.

It's unclear how this parallel cabinet will work with the outdated Vatican bureaucracy that constitutes a pope's primary cabinet, known as the Vatican Curia. A scandal over leaked papal documents last year showed the Curia to be a dysfunctional warren of political infighting and turf battles, fueling calls for reform from the cardinals.

On the same day the inaugural "Group of Eight" meeting started, Rome daily La Repubblica published a lengthy interview with Francis, in which he denounced the "Vatican-centric" nature of the Holy See administration and acknowledged that popes in the past had been infatuated with the pomp of the Vatican.

"Heads of the church have often been narcissists, flattered and thrilled by their courtiers," Francis said. "The court is the leprosy of the papacy."

For someone who has said he abhors giving interviews, Francis has made himself remarkably amenable to taking questions about his faith and vision for the church.

The pope also explained his affinity for his namesake St. Francis, whose tomb he will visit Friday in Assisi, the hilltop town where St. Francis preached his gospel of poverty and caring for the most destitute.

Francis said he wanted a missionary church just like that: "We need to give hope to young people, help the aged and open ourselves toward the future and spread love."

**It seems like in our modern-day culture, it's the young people that are being targeted first and foremost, and that includes churches doing it too. No surprise b/c part of the Jesuit agenda a long time ago was to take over the education system.

He said the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that brought the church into the modern world, had promised such an opening to people of other faiths and non-believers but the church hadn't made progress since then.

"I have the humility and ambition to do so," he said.

During the interview, Francis showed his wry sense of humor — there was talk about the pope and his atheist interviewer trying to convert one another — but also his very human fears right after he was elected, when he said he was "seized by a great anxiety."

"To make it go away and relax, I closed my eyes and made every thought disappear, even the thought of refusing to accept the position, as the liturgical procedure allows," he recounted.

"At a certain point I was filled with a great light. It lasted a moment, but to me it seemed very long. Then the light faded, I got up suddenly and walked into the room where the cardinals were waiting."
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Muslim Leader Says Pope Francis ‘Resonates With the Muslim World’
10/9/13

The president of the Islamic Affairs Council of Maryland offered high praise for Pope Francis, saying the Catholic leader “resonates with the Muslim world,” much like the saint from whom he takes his name. "From my perspective, Pope Francis is really doing a wonderful job in terms of outreach, in terms of contributing to world peace, in terms of contributing to stopping wars and conflicts, praying for better understanding," said Imam Mohamad Bashar Arafat in an interview with Catholic News Service.

http://news.yahoo.com/muslim-lead...lim-world%E2%80%99-233413262.html
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Not everyone loves Pope Francis: Conservative Catholics voice concern over 'revolutionary' message
10/15/13
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...age?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

Pope Francis' plain-spoken populism has won rave reviews, from people in the pews to the man in the Oval Office, but his pronouncements on everything from atheists to abortion have shaken some conservative and traditional Catholics.

Six months after he was installed on the Throne of St. Peter, the pontiff's comments in a series of interviews are being denounced in scattered corners as "reckless" or even "borderline heretical." One critic called him "the Joe Biden of our era."

"The whispers are rising," said Steve Skojec, 35, a father of six from Manassas, Va., who said a scathing blog post he wrote about the pope's recent remarks got 20,000 views, compared with the usual 500. "There are more and more people who are feeling uncomfortable."

The skepticism rides behind a wave of praise for the down-to-earth Argentine — applauded for choosing Jesuit simplicity over Vatican opulence, emphasizing the poor and tweaking the powerful, and checking stridency at the door when talking about gay marriage, contraception or whether non-believers get into heaven.

"Best pope ever" is a frequent appraisal on Twitter, and President Obama, a Protestant, told CNBC this month that he is "hugely impressed" by the rookie leader of the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics.

The broad-based adulation — only 4% of Americans in a recent poll had an unfavorable view of the pope — is vexing pockets of conservatives who want a harder line on core doctrine and who worry that even if Francis has not altered church teachings, his words will be misinterpreted or exploited.

"I'm very disturbed by these off-the-cuff, informal remarks," said Christopher Ferrara, a columnist for The Remnant, a Catholic newspaper that opposes many of the changes that accompanied Second Vatican Council in the 1960s.

"In one sense, there's no harm because church teaching has not been changed, but in the other sense there is tremendous harm because not everyone understands church teaching," added Ferrara, who is drafting a letter to the Vatican requesting clarification on some of the pope's positions.

He pointed to a Kansas women's clinic that posted on its fence a quote from Francis — saying Catholics should not focus only on hot-button issues like abortion and contraception — as a rebuke to protesters.

Julie Burkhart, director of the South Wind Women's Clinic in Wichita, said she put up the sign so "the people coming here to protest us and harassing our patients might pause and think about what else they could be doing with their time."

David Gittrich of Kansans for Life shot back that the quote was "taken out of context" and that it was "ridiculous" for the clinic to suggest the pope wants to dissuade anti-abortion activism.

Many rank-and-file Catholics and commentators, even those who consider themselves religiously conservative, say Francis is tinkering with style, not substance. But others are quietly nervous — or loudly aghast.

“Is Pope Francis a wishy-washy spineless pope?  Perhaps a pawn, to be used by the liberals inside and outside the Church?" asked the author of the Connecticut Catholic Corner blog, who declined to speak on the record.

"I have a very dear Catholic friend who is freaking out because I am 'having issues' with Pope Francis.  It’s not that I don’t WANT to like him and think highly of him, I do.  I really, really do.  But… it’s just not happening for me.”

John Vennari, a traditional Catholicism advocate, put forth a conspiratorial view in a YouTube video, suggesting the pope's interviews are a way for him to get around writing encyclicals that would contradict church doctrine and the powerful Rome-based cardinals who would object to that.

“He’s leaping over their heads just to take this revolutionary message just straight to the people,” Vennari said.

Skojec said that because many people believe — mistakenly, he said — that anything the pope says is "infalliable," a pontiff has to be "very prudent and circumspect." Instead, he wrote, Francis has been "utterly reckless, theologically misleading, and borderline heretical."

Fans of Francis have predicted that his gentler tone might bring lapsed Catholics and young people into the church, but detractors say it might drive away a certain brand of congregant.

The Society of Saint Pius X, a breakaway group, said in a statement that the recent interviews had "provoked some new interest" in them and predicted membership would grow, "if the Holy Father confirms the direction he seems to be taking."

Stephen Heiner — founder of TrueRestoration.org a member of the sedevacantist movement, which argues there hasn't been a true pope in Rome since Vatican II —said the number of people listening to his podcast doubled from about 4,000 to 8,000 in reaction to the pope's statements.

"The fact that we, who could be considered fringe, are attracting listeners speaks to the discontent," he said.

He added that Francis' language in the media interviews was "inelegant," in contrast to the formality of written communiques like encyclicals.

"He's the Joe Biden of our era," he said.

Jeffrey Tucker, editor of the New Liturgical Movement blog, said the super-traditionalists should relax, even though he admitted Francis left him unsettled at first because he is so different from his more formal predecessor.

"All of us miss Benedict — we just do. It's kind of how the kids never like the new stepfather," Tucker said. "You get groovy with it and everything's OK. There's a group of traditionalists that just don't get it, and they're terrified."

Boston College theology professor Thomas Groome said it's easy to see why reactionaries would be on edge. While the pope hasn't messed with doctrine, a shift in priorities and pitch is clearly underway, he said.

"I think it will be a real test for conservative Catholics," he said. "They have always pointed the finger, quoting the pope for the last 35 years. Suddenly, will they stop quoting the pope. It'll be a good test of whether or not they're really Catholics."
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Bishop: Pope leading church to 'disaster'
Oct. 19, 2013  Believes world could be entering age of Antichrist

Citing the famous prophecies of Fatima, traditionalist Roman Catholic Bishop Bernard Fellay warned in an address in Kansas City that Pope Francis is precipitating the church’s decline and could be a herald that the world is entering the age of the Antichrist.
Fellay, who leads a society that has no canonical status in the Roman Catholic Church, said the “modernist views” professed by the pontiff are at odds with traditional Catholic teaching.

“The situation in the Catholic Church is a real disaster and the present pope is making it 10,000 times worse,” Fellay charged Oct. 12 at the Angelus Press Conference in Kansas City.
Fellay is superior general of the Society of St. Pius X, whose ministers, according to the Vatican, do not legitimately exercise ministry in the church.

Fellay, in his address, drew heavily from the Third Secret of Fatima, which many Catholics believe was given by the Virgin Mary, the mother of Jesus, to Lucia Santos, one of three poor children who claimed to experience a series of six apparitions of Mary in Fatima, Portugal, between May and October in 1917.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/bishop...-leading-church-to-disaster/print


Pope Rejects Meeting with Bibi in Rome
21 Oct 2013
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu will not be meeting with Pope Francis during his visit to Rome on Wednesday, a diplomatic source told AFP on Sunday. A statement last week from Netanyahu’s office had said he would be "meeting Pope Francis next Wednesday at the Vatican" and with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry for updates on nuclear talks with Iran and negotiations with the Palestinian Authority.  
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/173033
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Pope Francis called right-wing Christian fundamentalism a sickness.

10/21/13

Pope Francis has been very clear about how he feels about ideological purity in religion. He’s been particularly critical of right-wing Christian fundamentalism. Pope Francis has shifted the focus of the Catholic Church to issues facing the poor and the sick. He has railed against economic inequality and has criticized the anti-gay and anti-abortion strains that have come to dominate the Christian Right here in America. Such ideological extremism is dangerous, not only to Christianity, but to the world. And Pope Francis said as much last Thursday.

During a daily Mass last week, Pope Francis called ideological Christianity “an illness” that doesn’t serve Jesus Christ. Instead, it “frightens” people and pushes them away from religion.

"In ideologies there is not Jesus: in his tenderness, his love, his meekness. And ideologies are rigid, always. Of every sign: rigid. And when a Christian becomes a disciple of the ideology, he has lost the faith: he is no longer a disciple of Jesus, he is a disciple of this attitude of thought… For this reason Jesus said to them: ‘You have taken away the key of knowledge.’ The knowledge of Jesus is transformed into an ideological and also moralistic knowledge, because these close the door with many requirements. The faith becomes ideology and ideology frightens, ideology chases away the people, distances, distances the people and distances of the Church of the people. But it is a serious illness, this of ideological Christians. It is an illness, but it is not new, eh?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PvMpUgSAVcM

Based on past statements, Pope Francis’ remarks were aimed mostly at the Christian Right.

While Pope Francis did not specifically mention Christian right-wing ideology during the Mass, his past remarks suggest he was talking about that ideology most of all.

In September, Pope Francis attacked “savage capitalism” and took up the plight of the unemployed against a system that worships money. Earlier that month, the Pope also criticized conservative Catholics for focusing so much on abortion, same-sex marriage, and contraception. And in July, Pope Francis put the brakes on hating gay people, saying that we shouldn’t judge or marginalize them.

Clearly, Pope Francis isn’t fond of the extreme ideals of the Christian Right. He supports helping the poor. He believes in economic fairness. He denounces hatred of gay people. He thinks the war against abortion and birth control has gone too far. Considering all of these things, it’s pretty obvious that Pope Francis was mostly talking to right-wing Christians on Thursday. Their ideological fanaticism has damaged religion. They have abandoned the true teachings of Jesus to pursue an extremist agenda. And Pope Francis just called them out for it. Cue right-wing rage in 3, 2, 1…

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013...pe-francis-right-wing-christians/
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Just keep in mind - the whole "religious right"/"moral majority" movement has stood down since 2008(the year Obama first got elected). All by design...

http://news.yahoo.com/why-pope-fr...schism-u-religious-103800581.html
Why Pope Francis won't cause a schism in the U.S. religious right
10/25/13

Protestants and Catholics used to eye each other with mistrust, even deep theological enmity. But somewhere in the midst of shouting matches over the relative merits of grace versus good works, idolatry versus sainthood, and fealty to Rome, an alliance of sorts formed between conservative Catholics and evangelical Protestants in America. Opposition to abortion, gay rights, and creeping secularism got both sides singing from the same hymnal. The Religious Right was born.

That alliance has lasted through at least five presidents and two relatively doctrinaire popes. But the anti-culture-war tone from the new supreme pontiff, Pope Francis, has "driven a wedge into the powerful political alliance between conservative Catholics and evangelical Christians that's been instrumental in electing hundreds of Republicans over the past four decades,
" say McKay Coppins and Hunter Schwarz at BuzzFeed.

Many Protestant culture warriors agree with Bryan Fischer at the American Family Association that the new pope's pronouncements have been disappointing and alarming.

"It raises questions in our mind because the Catholic Church has always been a faithful shoulder-to-shoulder ally to social conservatives in the fight to protect unborn human life" and heterosexual-only marriage, Fischer tells BuzzFeed. "We simply have questions of whether we'll be able to count on the Catholic Church to be comrades-in-arms to continue to fight these battles
."

Coppins and Schwarz even get this amazing quote about Pope Francis from Tracy Pyland, a Maryland born-again Christian: "That man needs to read his Bible."

The Dish's Andrew Sullivan is jubilant that, as he sees it, Francis is breaking up the Catholic-evangelical party:

The Catholic hierarchy has been knocked sideways by the emergence of Pope Francis and his eschewal of their fixation on homosexuality, contraception, and abortion. That fixation — essentially a Christianist and de facto Republican alliance among Protestants and Catholic leaders — has now been rendered a far lower priority than, say, preaching the Gospel or serving the poor and the sick. Francis has also endorsed secularism as the proper modern context for religious faith. [The Dish]

Conservative Catholics argue that the media is blowing the new pope's liberal-ish statements out of proportion, but they don't fully disagree with Sullivan, either. "The pope's most controversial statements seem to arise from a single motive: He doesn't like 'right-wing' Catholics, and wants to make it clear to all the world that he's not one of them," says John Zmirak at The American Conservative. (Zmirak doesn't mean that as a compliment.)

And it's true that, as Sullivan says, some of what the pope has to say "could almost be designed to infuriate Protestant Christianists," not to mention conservative Catholics. Here, Pope Francis calls "Christian ideology" a "serious illness" that drives a wedge between people and between the church and the people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvMpUgSAVcM

But it won't drive a serious wedge between conservative Catholics and evangelical Protestants.

The long papacy of happy culture warrior John Paul II didn't turn Ted Kennedy or John Kerry or Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi — Catholics all — into anti-abortion activists. And Pope Francis' shift away from cultural politics won't convert John Boehner or make any of the conservative Catholics on the Supreme Court — Antonin Scalia, John Roberts, Samuel Alito, and Clarence Thomas — less eager to overturn Roe v. Wade (or strike down the death penalty, for that matter).

The pope in many ways sets the tone for the Catholic Church, but it's the local bishops and archbishops who guide the flock, along with the thousands of parish priests. To change the church a pope can tinker with the foundational texts and catechism to some extent, issue encyclicals, and remake the church hierarchy. That last part takes time: Every sitting cardinal and almost every bishop was named by Popes John Paul and Benedict XVI. Frances, at age 76, probably won't remake the episcopate in his image.

For "wayward Catholics," Pope Francis' words "may be an invitation back to a church slowly becoming once again recognizable," says Caitlin Bancroft at PolicyMic. But "his fresh perspective may become nothing more than a brief moment in the religion's long, static history."

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Yeah, it wasn't too long ago when the "religious left" aka the Emergent Church came about(after the turn of the 21st century) - not that I ever endorsed the "religious right", but if anything the RR passed the baton to the RL to help put the final nail in the coffin.
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Pope Francis Consecrates the World to Our Lady of the Fatima Flying Saucer!
10/26/13

Pope Francis consecrated the world to the immaculate heart of our lady of the Fatima flying saucer on October 13th, 2013. You might balk, “our lady of the Fatima flying saucer”? Indeed, that is the most accurate description of the events that inspired the Fatima legend. The Miracle of the Sun was an Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (UAP) witnessed on October 13, 1917, by up to one hundred thousand people gathered near Fátima, Portugal. Several newspaper reporters in attendance recorded testimony from people who claimed to have witnessed an extraordinary aerial phenomenon in which a silvery disc flew about the sky. Of course, this was long before the term “flying saucer” was coined, and many thought the disc was the sun. Also, because it had been raining and the clouds broke just as the phenomenon occurred, many believed it was a solar miracle. However, if the sun had actually moved in the described manner, the gravitational effects would have devastated the Earth. Even so, the sighting was officially declared a miracle by the Roman Catholic Church in 1930. Here’s a newspaper from 1917:

rest: http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy...fatima-flying-saucer-2455022.html
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http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/news/detail/articolo/29155/

10/30/2013

Forbes ranks Francis as 4th most powerful person in the world

Pope Francis is ranked ‘the 4th most powerful’ person in the world after Presidents Putin (Russia), Obama (USA), and Xi Jinping (China), by Forbes, the prestigious US business magazine

Pope Francis is the 4th ‘most powerful’ person in the world according to Forbes, the prestigious American business magazine, which has just released the names of those it ranks as ‘the 72 most powerful people’ on planet earth in 2013.

Forbes ranks him immediately after the Presidents of Russia, the USA and China.  It is a most extraordinary result for this humble leader of the Catholic Church who has never in his life sought position, power or status, has always lived as a poor man and, until his election as Pope used public transport, shuns mundane events and gives priority attention to the world’s poor.    

Russia’s President Vladimir Putin was given the number 1 position in the Forbes list, followed by US President Barack Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping, in the number 2 and 3 slots respectively.  Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel came in at Number 5, and is rated as the most powerful woman in the world.

Each year Forbes provides a ranking of the heads of state, financiers, philanthropists and entrepreneurs “who truly run the world”. It lists one for every 100 million of the world’s inhabitants, and since there are today 7.2 billion people on earth today,  it has come up with what it considers the 72 ‘most powerful’ among them.

Unlike Pope Francis who considers “power as service”, Forbes uses far different criteria to define ‘power’.  It outlines these criteria in an article published on-line October 30, in which it announced the 72 names. It explains that its editors measure ‘power’ along ‘four dimensions’.  First, they evaluate “whether the candidate has power over lots of people”. Next they assess “the financial resources controlled by each person, and see if they are relatively large compared to their peers”. Then they determine “if the candidate is powerful in multiple spheres”, being powerful in just one area is often not enough. Lastly, “they make sure that the candidates actively use their power.”  

To calculate the final rankings, Forbes’ editors rank all the candidates under consideration – hundreds of them- in each of those ‘four dimensions of power’, and then average the individual rankings into a composite score.
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Pope Visits Roman Cemetery on All Saints’ Day to Pray for Dead, Bless Graves
11/4/13

Pope Francis visited a cemetery in Rome last Friday in observance of the Roman Catholic holiday All Saints’ Day to pray for the dead and bless the graves of the departed.

The occasion marked 20 years since a pope had visited a Roman cemetery for All Saints’ Day, and according to reports, Francis states that he plans to make his visit a tradition during his tenure.

He celebrated mass on Friday morning, delivering a message to all gathered, and asking the dead saints to pray for those who remain.

“The saints who stand before the face of the Lord, pray for us, for this our city, and for the whole world, that everywhere the peace of Christ may shine brightly,” he said. “He is our peace and eternal life.”

Francis also offered a prayer himself for the dead, which was followed by a “blessing of the graves,” according to the Italian publication RomaSette.

Francis had visited the tomb of John Paul II the day before, located inside St. Peter’s Basilica, and prayed silently. He also went to pay his respects to John XXIII and St. Pius X.

On Saturday, Francis visited the Vatican Grotto, where a number of other popes are buried, and engaged in a private time of prayer for his predecessors. He is expected to observe mass today in memory of the Catholic bishops and cardinals that have died over the past year.

But some are expressing concern over the Pope’s observances, which they state are not found in Scripture.

“Prayers for the dead are useless and unbiblical because it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,” Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel told Christian News Network, citing Hebrews 11:27. “In other words, when people die they are immediately transferred to Heaven or Hell.


“The determining factor is their relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ at the moment of death,” he continued. “Was He their merciful Savior who forgave their sins, or a righteous Judge who condemned them to the eternal lake of fire?”

Gendron said that for this same reason, attempting to bless a grave is pointless and unavailing, and stated that the Pope has no power to bless anyone. Gendron noted that there have been concerning practices surrounding All Saints’ Day for hundreds of years, and that these practices were among the factors that sparked the Protestant Reformation.

“The Catholic Church has been venerating the relics (bone fragments) of saints on All Saints’ Day for over 500 years,” he explained. “This is why Martin Luther nailed his 95 thesis on the door of the Castle Church on Oct. 31, the day before All Saints’ Day. He knew Catholics would be seeking indulgences for the dead by going into the church to venerate over 1900 relics.”

“God’s word says, ‘No man can by any means redeem his brother or give to God a ransom for him, for the redemption of his soul is costly, and he should cease trying forever,’” Gendron added, pointing to Psalm 49:7-8.

Last month, for the Roman Catholic observance of Marian Day, Francis entrusted the world to Mary in front of 100,000 who gathered in St. Peter’s Square. He delivered a message adjacent to the “Our Lady of Fatima” statute, which had been transported from Lisbon. Video footage of the occasion shows Francis kissing the statue following its arrival at the square.

“Accept with the benevolence of a mother this act of entrustment that we make in faith today, before this your image, beloved to us,” he stated. “We are confident that each of us is precious in your sight. Guard our lives in your arms, bless and strengthen every desire for goodness.”

http://christiannews.net/2013/11/...ay-to-pray-for-dead-bless-graves/
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http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-iss...re-modern-families-145433172.html
Vatican issues global questionnaire on modern families
11/5/13

Vatican City (AFP) - The Vatican on Tuesday launched an unprecedented worldwide consultation on modern families including same-sex couples as part of Pope Francis's drive to reform the Catholic Church.

A questionnaire has been sent to bishops around the world asking them for detailed information about the "many new situations requiring the Church's attention and pastoral care".

"Concerns which were unheard of until a few years ago have arisen today as a result of different situations, from the widespread practice of cohabitation... to same-sex unions," it said.

Religious watchers said the 39 questions were unusual because of their non-judgemental, practical nature in what could be a signal of greater openness and increased pastoral care regardless of a believer's background.

Referring to gay couples, one questions asks: "What pastoral attention can be given to people who have chosen to live in these types of union?"

"In the case of unions of persons of the same sex who have adopted children, what can be done pastorally in light of transmitting the faith?"

On remarried divorcees, who under the current rules are not allowed to receive Holy Communion in a Catholic church, the questionnaire asks: "Do they feel marginalised or suffer from the impossibility of receiving the sacraments?"

On divorce and separated couples in general, it asks: "How do you deal with this situation in appropriate pastoral programmes?"

The initiative is part of preparations for a synod of bishops next year and another in 2015 that the Vatican said will formulate "working guidelines in the pastoral care of the person and the family".

Lorenzo Baldisseri, head of the synod of bishops, told reporters that the meeting's theme "reflects very well the pastoral zeal with which the Holy Father wishes to approach the proclamation of the Gospel to the family in today's world".

He said the consultation also showed Francis, who has said the Catholic Church is too "Vatican-centric", wanted more "collegiality".

Cardinal Peter Erdo, president of the Council of the Bishops' Conferences of Europe, referred in particular to the increase in cohabiting Catholic couples who do not intend to marry, saying "the phenomenon requires a deepened reflection."

Archbishop Bruno Forte, special secretary of the synod, said "the Church has to better its understanding, it is not a static body. We do not have the answers ready, but we cannot behave like an ostrich, with its head in the sand."

Vatican expert Marco Politi, who writes for the Italian weekly L'Espresso, told AFP that "it is hugely significant that the Church, instead of presenting its 'truth' on families, civil unions and homosexuality from on high, wants to hear about the experience of the local faithful."

"What's interesting is how bishops are going about gathering the information. Some bishops are taking Francis's drive further forward, while others are putting on the brakes," he said.

In England, for example, the questionnaire is available online so individuals can express their opinions directly, while bishops elsewhere "believe their role is to filter the answers", he added.

Pope Francis has shown a more open style since being elected in March and a desire to bring the Catholic Church more in touch with the lives of ordinary people, although experts say he is unlikely to bring about major changes in doctrine.

Francis has said priests should baptise children even when the parents are not married and, when asked recently about his views on gays, he replied: "If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?"
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http://news.yahoo.com/pope-meetin...-catholic-orthodox-150601080.html
Pope meeting Putin, could help mend Catholic-Orthodox relations
11/7/13

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis will receive Russian President Vladimir Putin on November 25, an encounter that could help mend strained relations between the Vatican and the Russian Orthodox Church.

Russian-Vatican relations have been fraught since the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union, with Moscow accusing the Roman Catholic Church of trying to poach believers from the Russian Orthodox Church, a charge the Vatican denies.

But Putin is the first Kremlin leader since the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution to publicly profess religious faith - to the Orthodox church - and has several times advocated ending the long feud between the two major Christian churches.

Putin and the pope will hold their first meeting on November 25, a Vatican spokesman said on Thursday.

Putin, who also met his two immediate predecessors, could invite the pope to visit Russia, diplomats said.

Popes Benedict and John Paul had standing invitations from the Russian government but could not go because they received no matching invitation from the Orthodox Church. Francis would need the same to go to Russia.

Another dispute between the churches concerns the fate of many church properties that Soviet leader Joseph Stalin ordered confiscated from Eastern Rite Catholics, who worship in an Orthodox liturgy but owe their allegiance to Rome.

Stalin gave the Catholic property to the Russian Orthodox Church, but after the fall of communism, the Eastern Rite Catholics took back many sites, leading to a rise in tensions
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The Russian Orthodox Church, which has resurged since the collapse of the Soviet Union, has some 165 million members in former Soviet republics including Russia and other states.

Francis is the first non-European pope in 1,300 years. His predecessors came from countries - Italy, Poland and Germany - that were caught up in the 20th century's two global conflicts as well as in the Cold War that followed World War Two.

Diplomats have said that Francis, an Argentine with no European political baggage, would have a far better chance of improving ties with the Russian Orthodox Church.

There have been signs of a general warming between the western and eastern branches of Christianity.

On March 20, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew became the first worldwide spiritual leader of Orthodox Christians to attend a papal inaugural Mass since the Great Schism split western and eastern Christianity in 1054.
CJ

I have heard several other sources say there are ritual child sacrifices in the basement of the vatican.
Your story was only one of several others - some of them nuns who fled the vatican in horror.
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http://news.yahoo.com/u-bishops-s...s-pope-urges-focus-132216439.html
U.S. bishops to select leaders as Pope urges new focus
11/10/13

BALTIMORE (Reuters) - U.S. Catholic bishops will choose new leaders at an assembly in Baltimore this week and possibly signal a new direction for the American church under the influence of Pope Francis.

The conference begins Monday and all eyes will be on whether the new leaders of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops continue vigorous opposition to gay marriage and to Obamacare's contraceptive mandate, or increase their push to help the poor and immigrants given Pope Francis' emphasis on social justice issues.

The new leaders also will be preparing for an "extraordinary synod" of bishops in Rome to discuss teachings related to the family. The Vatican has asked bishops and parish priests around the world about the local views on gay marriage, divorce and birth control ahead of the October 2014 meeting.

"Bishops have been stuck in a bunker fighting the culture war," said John Gehring, who was once in the conference's communications office and is now Catholic program director for Faith in Public Life, a liberal advocacy group. "Pope Francis has said we can't just be known by what we oppose."

In an interview with a Jesuit journal published in September, Pope Francis said the church cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and contraception, and must become more merciful or risk falling "like a house of cards."

Russell Shaw, a writer on Catholic issues and a former spokesman for the conference, said he doesn't think the bishops will back off on social issues like gay marriage and abortion, just as Francis has reiterated church teachings on these subjects. But they may shift their approach.

"They may make a greater effort to couple what they say about issues like that with messages of having a more pastoral tone, putting what they say about the questions of same sex marriage in a context of authentic and pastoral concern for same sex couples," Shaw said.

The bishops' conference has taken stands for immigration reform and anti-poverty programs under the leadership of New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan the past three years.

But it has been extremely vocal on "religious liberty" - protesting the Obama administration's mandate that required Catholic schools and hospitals to carry insurance that provides birth control, forbidden by church doctrine, for free. The push concerned some Catholics, who felt the church's leaders had become too aligned with the political right.

"What's been in the foreground has been their campaigns on gay marriage, abortion and their concerns on the contraceptive mandate," said Father Thomas Reese, a writer who is, like Francis, a Jesuit.

THE ELECTION

The conference broke with tradition in 2010, electing the outspoken conservative Dolan to a three-year term as president of the U.S. bishops group over then-vice president Gerald Kicanas of Tucson, Arizona, who was seen by some as more moderate.

Conference observers believe bishops will follow tradition this time and choose the current vice president, Archbishop Joseph Kurtz of Louisville, Kentucky. Kurtz is viewed as a reliable conservative who is well liked and effective.

The vice presidency is a more open field, though Reese believes Archbishop Jose Gomez of Los Angeles, a Mexican-born cleric may have an edge in part because he can speak Spanish, enabling him to speak to Francis without a translator.

Reese said Gomez also would prioritize immigration reform, which should please moderates, and is conservative enough for conservatives.


Baltimore Archbishop William Lori, chair of the group that has fought the healthcare mandate, and Archbishop Thomas Wenski of Miami, who is known to ride a motorcycle and is considered strong on poverty and immigration issues, also are on the list.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStor...s-us-bishops-live-simply-20852178
11/11/13
Pope's Rep: US Bishops Shouldn't Preach Ideology
BALTIMORE November 11, 2013 (AP)

The Vatican ambassador to the U.S., addressing American bishops at their first national meeting since Pope Francis was elected, said Monday they should not "follow a particular ideology" and should make Roman Catholics feel more welcome in church.

Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano noted the challenges from broader society to Christian teaching. He cautioned that the bishops' witness to faith would be undermined if they failed to live simply. Francis, in office for eight months, has captured attention for eschewing some of the pomp of the papacy, including his decision to live in the Vatican hotel and his use of an economy car.

"There has to be a noticeable lifestyle characterized by simplicity and holiness of life. This is a sure way to bring our people to an awareness of the truth of our message," said Vigano, the apostolic nuncio based in Washington.

"The Holy Father wants bishops in tune with their people," Vigano said, noting that he visited the pope in June. "He made a special point of saying that he wants pastoral bishops, not bishops who profess or follow a particular ideology."

In a September interview, Francis said Catholic leaders should give greater emphasis to compassion and mercy, arguing the church's focus on abortion, marriage and contraception has been too narrow and alienating. For the last several years, the public sessions of the fall bishops' assembly have centered on those hot-button social issues. This year's meeting gave the first glimpse of how that message was resonating among American leaders.

New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, dedicated his speech to persecuted Christians overseas, asking the bishops to make international religious freedom a top priority. He made only a passing reference to the bishops' own religious freedom campaign, and then only to say that their struggles "pale in comparison" to the plight of Christians and others overseas.

Dozens of Catholic charities and dioceses, along with evangelical colleges and others, are suing the Obama administration over a requirement that employers provide health insurance that includes contraceptive coverage. The bishops say the religious exemption to the rule violates the religious freedom of nonprofit and for-profit employers. The issue is expected to reach the Supreme Court.

Dolan said in a news conference his speech was not a shift away from that fight — but an expansion of it. "It's almost raised our consciousness to say we can't stop here," Dolan said.

But Mathew Schmalz, religious studies professor at College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, Mass., said highlighting the fight with the Obama administration would be seen as out of step with Francis' message, especially at a time when the Vatican is moving away from a European focus. Francis is the first pope from Latin America.

"The bishops realize that they themselves are going to have to change their tone if they are to become more inclusive and complement the new tone coming from Pope Francis and the Vatican," Schmalz said. "There is definitely something going on here: The American hierarchy is going to have to change its style or be left behind."

The bishops had early in the meeting prayed for the thousands of victims of Friday's typhoon in the Philippines and also discussed the response to the disaster by Catholic Relief Services, the bishops' international relief agency.
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http://news.yahoo.com/cardinal-do...ord-poverty-issues-030537463.html
U.S. Catholic bishops' new leaders concerned with poor
11/12/13

BALTIMORE (Reuters) - U.S. Catholic bishops elected two centrist conservatives as new leaders on Tuesday, an archbishop from Kentucky and a Texas cardinal, both of whom expressed "solidarity" with Pope Francis' strong emphasis on the poor.

Archbishop Joseph Kurtz, 67, of Louisville, Kentucky was elected to a three-year term as president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, while Cardinal Daniel DiNardo, 64, of the Galveston-Houston diocese, was chosen as vice president.

Their election comes as Catholic bishops worldwide are being given new direction by Pope Francis, who has emphasized greater humility and more concern for poverty. The bishops oversee 69 million U.S. Catholics, or about a quarter of the country's population.

"I believe we are very much in solidarity with Pope Francis, and that is, his way of articulating clearly that we need not only to serve the voiceless and the vulnerable, but to be an advocate," Kurtz told reporters after his election.

Christopher Hale, senior fellow with Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, a progressive group that focuses on social justice issues, said he believes both Kurtz and DiNardo "will move the American Church in the direction Pope Francis desires."

Hale cited Kurtz's "long pastoral experience" and praised DiNardo as a "tireless leader on immigration reform. He knows firsthand the problems of a broken immigration system."

Kurtz's election was expected as he is finishing a three-year term as vice president. Known as a reliable conservative who is also well-liked, pragmatic and effective, he replaces New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, an outspoken and colorful conservative elected in 2010.

"It means consistency and with Kurtz a little more concern for the poor and with DiNardo a little more concern about immigration," said Thomas Reese, a Jesuit priest and senior analyst with the National Catholic Reporter. Reese noted that Kurtz has a degree in social work and had cared for a brother with Down syndrome.

SOCIAL ISSUES

Dolan's term has been marked by a strong emphasis on opposing gay marriage, abortion, and the Obama administration's mandate that required Catholic schools and hospitals to carry insurance that provides birth control, forbidden by church doctrine, for free.

Bishops under Dolan also took stands for immigration reform and anti-poverty programs, but some liberal Catholics have expressed concern that the overall tone had become too far right.

In an interview published in September, Pope Francis said the church cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and contraception, and must become more merciful.

In remarks to reporters, Kurtz discussed the bishops' support of the "sanctity" of traditional marriage, the protection of the unborn and the importance of helping the poor and immigrants. He also connected moving people out of poverty with the strength of the family.

DiNardo noted that U.S. bishops have been advocating for immigrants for decades.

"I think we're at a good time now where this can be handled," DiNardo said. "I believe there are those on both sides of the aisle, notwithstanding there's still some bitterness, who can work together. We hope to be able to be catalysts."

DiNardo, head of a heavily Hispanic archdiocese of 1.2 million, was the only cardinal of the nine nominees for vice president.

The new leaders are preparing for an "extraordinary synod" of bishops in Rome in October 2014 to discuss teachings related to the family. The Vatican has asked bishops and parish priests around the world about the local views on gay marriage, divorce and birth control ahead of the meeting.

Barbara Dorris of the group SNAP, which represents victims of clergy sex abuse, expressed disappointment with Kurtz's election, saying he had not joined the ranks of 30 U.S. bishops who have posted on their web sites the names of "proven, admitted and credibly accused child molesting clerics." SNAP is short for Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.
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It's as if Pope Frankie is making this a big sideshow from within - but then again, he's a Jesuit.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013...rfaith-kristallnacht-ceremony-at/
11/13/13
Catholic fringe defies Pope, disrupts interfaith Kristallnacht ceremony at Argentine cathedral

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina –  Some ultra-traditionalist Catholics in Argentina are openly challenging Pope Francis. Sunday night they disrupted one of his favorite events, an interfaith ceremony he celebrated each year as Buenos Aires archbishop to promote religious harmony.

A small group disrupted the event in the Metropolitan Cathedral, shouting the rosary and the "our Father" prayer and spreading pamphlets saying "followers of false gods must be kept out of the sacred temple." Their leader, father Christian Bouchacourt of the Society of Saint Pius X, said Monday that the pope "is not infallible and in this case, does things we cannot accept."

The annual ceremony brings together Catholics, Jews and Protestants to mark the anniversary of Kristallnacht, when 1,000 Jewish synagogues were burned in Nazi Germany, launching the Holocaust that killed 6 million Jews.
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http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/n...in-danger-anti-mafia-judge-warns/
11/14/13
‘Pope Francis’s life is in danger,’ anti-mafia judge warns

Pope Francis’s life is in danger from ‘ndrangheta, Italy’s most feared crime group, a leading anti-mafia judge has said.

Nicola Gratteri, a magistrate in the southern city of Reggio Calabria, near ‘ndrangheta’s heartland, has said that Pope Francis’s crackdown on financial corruption in the Vatican, has angered bosses in the notorious crime squad.

Gratteri said: “I don’t know if organised crime is in the position to do something, but it’s certainly thinking about it. It could be dangerous.”

He said Francis was “on the right path” in attempting to clean out the stables at the Vatican.

But Mr Gratteri, who has written a book on the Church’s links to ‘ndrangheta, said the mob “that has until now profited from the power and riches derived directly from the church is nervous, agitated.”

Speaking to Il Fatto Quotidiano newspaper, he added: “Pope Bergoglio is dismantling centres of economic power in the Vatican. If the bosses can stop him they won’t hesitate.”

The Vatican spokesman was not available to comment.
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http://news.yahoo.com/pope-franci...2049217--abc-news-topstories.html
Pope Francis Not in Danger From Mafia, Vatican Says
11/14/13

The Vatican dismissed concerns today that Pope Francis could be a target of Italian organized crime because his reforms threaten what one mafia expert said were long-time ties between the church and criminal syndicates.

"There is no concrete reason that would lead us to worry. There is no reason to feed alarmism," the Rev. Federico Lombardi, the director of the Vatican's press office, told ABC News. "We are very calm."

Recent news reports quoted Nicola Gratteri, a respected Italian anti-mafia prosecutor, as having said that the pope's drive to reform the Catholic Church was making organized-crime members "nervous." He added, "I cannot say if the organization is in a position to do something like this, but they are dangerous and it is worth reflecting on."

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the popes are PART of the mafia - they launder mafia money from crimes - they have for decades - why do you think the vatican is so wealthy?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/201...02.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
11/14/13
Sarah Palin Apologizes For Remarks On Pope Francis Rolling Eyes

Former Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin apologized Thursday for her criticism of Pope Francis and his "liberal" statements.

"It was not my intention to be critical of Pope Francis," Palin wrote Thursday on her Facebook page. "I was reminding viewers that we need to do our own homework on news subjects, and I hadn't done mine yet on the Pope's recent comments as reported by the media."

**Uhm, he made these comments clear as day. What more "homework" do we have to do?

She continued, "I apologize for not being clearer in my response, thus opening the door to critical liberal media that does what it does best in ginning up controversy."

**You mean you regard Pope Frankie as a *conservative*? Rolling Eyes

During a Tuesday interview with CNN's Jake Tapper, Palin said she was taken "aback" by some of the Pope's remarks.

"He's had some statements that to me sound kind of liberal, has taken me aback, has kind of surprised me," Palin said. "Unless I really dig deep into what his messaging is, and do my own homework, I’m not going to just trust what I hear in the media."

Read Palin's Facebook post below:

Just to clarify my comment to Jake Tapper about Pope Francis, it was not my intention to be critical of Pope Francis. I was reminding viewers that we need to do our own homework on news subjects, and I hadn't done mine yet on the Pope's recent comments as reported by the media. Knowing full well how often the media mischaracterizes a person’s comments (especially a religious leader’s), I don’t trust them to get it right when it comes to reporting on the Vatican. I do, however, trust my many Catholic friends and family, including some excellent Catholic writers, who have since assured me that Pope Francis is as sincere and faithful a shepherd of his church as his two predecessors whom I admired. I apologize for not being clearer in my response, thus opening the door to critical media that does what it does best in ginning up controversy.

- Sarah Palin

**Wow! Look at the pot calling the kettle black! Why are YOU(Ms. Palin) part of the MSM establishment? And since when has Catholicism been *conservative*? Rolling Eyes
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Vatican to display remains of St. Peter to public for first time
11/12/13  His soul may be waiting at the gates of Heaven, but the bones of St. Peter will be on display for the first time ever later this month at the basilica that bears his name, according to the Vatican.

The beloved saint's remains, discovered during excavations of the necropolis under St. Peter's Basilica in the 1940s, have stayed below ground and out of public view since their discovery - and since Pope Paul VI vouched for their authenticity in the 1960s. But top Vatican official Archbishop Rino Fisichella, who is  president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting New Evangelization, made the announcement in Monday's L’Osservatore Romano, part of News.va, the official Vatican network.

Catholic making a pilgrimage to St. Peter’s tomb to mark the end of the Year of Faith will enjoy “the exposition ... of the relics traditionally recognized as those of the apostle who gave his life for the Lord on this spot,” wrote Fisichella.

The unveiling, planned for Nov. 24, marks the first time St. Peter's remains -- discovered in the 1940s -- will be displayed for public view. Millions of pilgrims visit St. Peter's tomb each year inside the basilica named for him. Peter was the leader of Christ's 12 apostles and the first bishop and Pope of the Catholic Church.

His tomb was discovered near a monument constructed in the 4th century to honor him. The tomb is located under the altar of the Vatican basilica. Although the church never officially declared the bones authentic, archeological testing convinced Pope Paul VI they had been "identified in a way we can hold to be convincing."

Catholic belief holds that St. Peter was crucified upside at his own request, because he believed he was unworthy of being crucified in the same way as Jesus Christ. According to scripture, Jesus predicted at the Last Supper that Peter would deny being his follower three times before the next morning, a prophecy that came true much to Peter's shame.

St. Peter's role as gatekeeper to Heaven is believed to come from Matthew, Chapter 16, Verses 17-20, where Jesus is quoted as giving him the keys to Heaven.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013...st-peter-to-public-for-first-time


Peter was MARRIED
Peter NEVER went to Rome!


1 Peter 1:1  Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
1Pe 1:2  Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1Peter_5:13  The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

Acts 19:21  After these things were ended, Paul purposed in the spirit, when he had passed through Macedonia and Achaia, to go to Jerusalem, saying, After I have been there, I must also see Rome.
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Uhm...Peter NEVER went to Rome!

1Peter 1:1  Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
1Pe 1:2  Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.


1Peter_5:13  The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

Acts 19:21  After these things were ended, Paul purposed in the spirit, when he had passed through Macedonia and Achaia, to go to Jerusalem, saying, After I have been there, I must also see Rome.

And wasn't Peter MARRIED too?(something the RCC forbids their popes, cardinals, and priests to do so) Rolling Eyes
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Pope meets Putin, no discussion of church tensions
11/25/13 VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis and Russian President Vladimir Putin met on Monday and discussed the Middle East and problems faced by Christians across the world, but did not touch on the strained relationship between the Vatican and the Orthodox Church.
The 35-minute meeting at the Vatican was the first between Pope Francis and Putin, who met the pontiff's two immediate predecessors, Benedict and John Paul II.

"It was quite a cordial and constructive meeting," Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi told reporters after the encounter. Putin had arrived around 45 minutes late because of transport problems.

Relations between the Catholic Church and Russia have long been uneasy because of accusations that the Vatican has tried to poach believers from the Orthodox Church, a charge it denies.
Putin brought a greeting to the pope from Patriarch Kirill, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, but did not talk about inter-church matters, Lombardi said. There was also no discussion of a possible visit to Russia by Francis.

Putin has embraced the Russian Orthodox Church as a moral authority, harnessed its influence as a source of political support and championed socially conservative values since starting a new, six-year term in May 2012.
The two leaders discussed the civil war in Syria and the pope stressed the need to end violence and bring assistance to the civilian population.
The Russian President, accompanied by ministers and business leaders, is due to meet Italian Prime Minister Enrico Letta and members of the government in the north-eastern port city of Trieste on Tuesday.
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-meets-...on-church-tensions-203026740.html


Pope Francis' criticism of capitalism
11/26/13  CNBC's Eamon Javers reports on the Vatican's release of the Pope's apostolic exhortation, his first major piece of writing since becoming Pontiff, where Pope Francis is very critical of the excesses of capitalism.
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/po...iticism-capitalism-204500622.html
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/101231497?...Pope%20finds%20a%20new%20enemy-ca
11/27/13
Pope finds a new enemy—capitalism

Pope Francis's attack on some of the values of capitalism has reignited a long-running debate about whether the free market is compatible with Christianity.

The recently elected Pope continued his revitalization of the Church with an outspoken statement against the "new tyranny" of "unfettered capitalism."

"Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth,encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,"he wrote, in a direct rebuttal of the theory espoused by free-market thinkers that wealth eventually benefits the whole of society.

"This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naive trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralised workings of the prevailing economic system."

With the Catholic Church itself running a bank at the Vatican and historically welcoming to wealthy donors, some may find a disconnect. The church was also notoriously anti-communist during the Iron Curtain years, even excommunicating communists.

Still, the Bible – the Church's founding text -- states pretty clearly that it's tricky for rich men to get into heaven. And there are probably a few multinational companies who could take advice on how to pay their taxes from Matthew 22: 21 on rendering to Caesar what is Caesar's.

One defendant of the theory that business can lift more people out of poverty than philanthropy is Lloyd Blankfein, the Goldman Sachs chief executive, who famously claimed he was doing "God's work"at the investment bank.

The late Pope John Paul II argued that the church's attitude towards capitalism was all down to how it was practised.

"Although decisively condemning 'socialism,' the Church, since Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum, has always distanced itself from capitalistic ideology, holding it responsible for grave social injustices," he said in 1993.

"(The church) recognizes the positive value of the market and of enterprise, but…at the same time points out that these need to be oriented toward the common good."

In essence, no to Gordon Gekko, yes to Bill Gates.

"There have always been parts of the Catholic Church which are more left- and more right-leaning," Anna Rowlands, lecturer in theology and ministry at King's College London, told CNBC.

"The really new development in this is the attack on the trickle-down theory. To pick it out and say that it prevents progress in terms of human dignity and the economy is different. He has taken a very distinctive, strong stance on public policy and the way economic policies have been exported as part of the Western attitude to developing economies."

Before his elevation to the papacy, Pope Francis spent most of his life in Argentina, which is no stranger to financial crisis. This time round, in the euro zone, compared to their Protestant northern neighbors, it is the Catholic countries of Ireland; Spain and Portugal which have been worst hit by the credit crisis (apart from Greek Orthodox Greece).

"With Pope Francis, what we see is someone who lived in Argentina all his life, lived through a financial crisis and experienced what happens when markets make a country go under. He's a non-Westerner reminding the West of what happens when markets go wrong," Abigail Frymann, online editor of Catholic newspaper The Tablet, told CNBC.

The new Pope is also on a mission to tackle one of the Church institutions most open to accusations of corruption. As part of his reforms, the Vatican's bank, the Institute for Religious Works, which is often accused of Mafia links published its first ever annual report this year. In July, the account of a senior cleric, Monsignor Nunzio Scarano, arrested by Italian police in June on suspicion of trying to move 20 million euros illegally, was frozen by the Vatican.

"He has taken control and he has instituted a greater transparency in dealing with actions like money laundering and corruption around the Vatican's bank," Rowlands said.
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Pope Francis Attacks Capitalism, Calls for State Control
11/27/13
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peac...apitalism-Calls-for-State-Control

In a far-ranging 50,000 word statement released by Pope Francis on Tuesday, he illustrated that he is sympathetic to the tenets of liberation theology and hostile to capitalism.

Liberation theology, which is a recent movement that essentially began at the second Latin American Bishops’ Conference in Colombia in 1968, believes that social systems that contribute to the economic state of the poor should be overthrown. At that conference, the teachings of Jesus Christ were combined with those of Karl Marx to call for violent revolution to overthrow capitalism. The text that emerged that was later used as inspiration was A Theology of Liberation, written in 1971, by Gustavo Gutiérrez, a Peruvian priest and theologian.

In September 2013, Pope Francis held a meeting with Gutiérrez, and L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican's semi-official newspaper, published an essay describing it on Sept. 3. The essay asserted that because Francis is the first pope from Latin America, liberation theology can no longer "remain in the shadows to which it has been relegated for some years, at least in Europe."  Michael Lee, associate professor of theology at Fordham University in New York, said that the experience Francis had hailing from South America "is present in the person of Francis and in the Vatican now in a way that it never has been before. What only makes sense is, then, a reopening of the door to this theology that emerged from that context and spoke so powerfully to it, and continues to do so."

Before the advent of  liberation theology, Catholicism hated socialism and communism, regarding them as “godless.” Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903) wrote an entire encyclical condemning socialism.

But now Pope Francis seems to be embracing a condemnation of capitalism instead, and an embracing of socialistic principles. Here are some statements from his text on Tuesday:

Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized:

… some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.

One cause of this situation is found in our relationship with money, since we calmly accept its dominion over ourselves and our societies. The current financial crisis can make us overlook the fact that it originated in a profound human crisis: the denial of the primacy of the human person!

While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born...

So Francis believes that capitalism, which defends the right to a free market system, is to be discarded, while the right of states, “charged with vigilance for the common good,” to exercise control over the economic status of the people, is laudable. Lenin would not be disappointed.
CJ

Saint Malachys Petrus Romanus
Nov. 28, 2013  Pope Advocates Global Wealth Redistribution, Renounces Free Market
Since his coronation, devilPope Francis has made waves throughout the Catholic community.
He suggests its OK to be gay, against the written Word of GOD.
Saint Malachy centuries old prophecies being approached with skepticism.
Francis the 666 Beast DevilPope criticized free market capitalism and advocated wealth redistribution on a global scale.

Malachy is the fulfillment of Prophecy of the Popes that claims Francis will be the Pope that ushers in an era right out of the Book of the Revelation.
Prophecy of the Popes was hidden in the Vatican for nearly 900 years, but followed closely by insiders.
Malachy experienced visions during a trip to Rome of all future popes that would head the Catholic Church.
According to Malachy Francis is the LAST pope, and he will be named Petrus Romanus, or Peter the Roman.

Petrus Romanus is to be the final pope, who will oversee the destruction of the Catholic Church and the world as we know it.

Tom Horn says the Final Pope is here.
Francis is of Italian descent and a Jesuit.
Francis himself may not be the biblical anti-christ, but he may be the world leader who introduces him.
(Prophet Duduman calls the pope the Beast.)
http://tinyurl.com/PetRom6redis
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7971


Malachy pope prophecy
Jack Kinsella suggests St. Malachys prophecy is demonic.
http://www.oneplace.com/ministrie...marxism-in-the-church-326019.html
http://www.oneplace.com/ministrie...he-man-of-lawlessness-329725.html

Pastor-Prophet David Wilkerson prophecied in 1973 also.
David Wilkerson spoke of a Super Church which would seriously persecute the true Christians (non-Catholics).
The persecution of charismatic Catholics will be the worst - from within the RCC.

Malachy popes prophecy
Is Jesuit pope Francis, antichrist?
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about5080.html

Jesuit pope Francis
Chosen 3-13-13 * antichrist?  Many pages
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/ftopic4072-252.php

Catholic church, POPE is the BEAST
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about728.html

The POPE is the BEAST in Revelation
Prophet Dumitru Duduman
http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_33.php
CJ

Bibi meets Frani
Dec 2, 2013
Netanyahu meets with pope francis in Vatican.
In their first sitdown, Francis and Israeli premier were expected to discuss peace talks, Iran and a pontifical visit to Jerusalem.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-meets-with-pope-in-vatican


Netanyahu gives pope book on the Inquisition
Dec 4, 2013
 Francis and Bibi discuss peace talks with Palestinians.
O Bibi this evil pope is a Jesuit with murder in his heart.
Benjamin Netanyahu met with Pope Francis at the Vatican and presented the pope with a copy of his late fathers book about the Spanish Inquisition.
Netanyahu presented a Spanish translation of the 1995 book, “The Origins of the Inquisition,” to Francis during their 25-minute closed-door meeting, as well as a Hanukkah menorah.

Netanyahu’s father, Benzion Netanyahu, was an Israeli historian who died last year.
A Zionist activist who opposed partitioning Palestine between Arabs and Jews,
he was best known in academic circles for his research into the Catholic Church’s medieval inquisition against the Jews of Spain.
Francis thanked him and presented Netanyahu with a small bronze plaque of St. Paul.

The Vatican Press Office said the conversation touched on “complex political and social situation in the Middle East, with Particular reference to the reinstatement of Negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians, expressing Hope that a just and lasting solution Respecting the rights of Both Parties may be reached as soon as possible.”
http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-meets-with-pope-in-vatican
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Putin shows faith, kisses Madonna icon at Vatican
Dec. 2, 2013
Russian President Vladimir Putin has shown off his religious side during a visit to the Vatican, stopping to cross himself and kiss an icon of the Madonna that he gave to Pope Francis.
Putin and Francis met privately for 35 minutes Monday evening in the pope's private library. The Vatican didn't immediately give details about the conversation.

Francis gave Putin a ceramic mosaic of the Vatican gardens, and Putin presented Francis with an image of the icon of the Madonna of Vladimir, an important religious icon for the Russian Orthodox faithful.
After they exchanged the gifts, Putin asked Francis if he liked it, and Francis said he did. Putin then crossed himself and kissed the image, and Francis followed suit.
The Argentine pope is particularly devoted to Marian icons.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/dec/02/eu-vatican-russia
CJ

Vatican promotes child rape
Dec 4, 2013
 In the Roman Catholic cult, its a sin for priests to marry but its ok to rape little boys.
It is an unGodly cult which sends billions to hell forever!
The Vatican has refused to provide information requested by the United Nations on the sexual abuse of children by priests, nuns or monks.
The Vatican is hiding behind legal technicalities.

The UN gave pope a wide-ranging questionnaire asking for detailed information about the particulars of all sexual abuse cases notified to the Vatican since 1995.

The questions included whether priests, nuns and monks guilty of sexual crime were allowed to remain in contact with children, what legal action had been taken against them, whether the Church required clergy to report abuse to secular authorities and whether complainants were silenced.

The pope refused to disclose information.
That is the equivalent of promoting child rape.
Not only child rape but child sacrifice - murder - takes place at the Vatican, according to many credible reports.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25204805


Purgatory, UNKNOWN Evils of the Vatican
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about3523.html

666 * Beast * antiChrist and the Vatican
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/ftopic56-0-asc-156.php

Evil or Very Mad
CJ

This evil pope is ripping America, ripping capitalism, ripping trickle-down economics
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily...n_the_world_for_income_inequality
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Pope Francis is the Catholic Church’s Obama – God help us
12/4/13

Pope Francis is undergoing a popularity surge comparable to the way Barack Obama was greeted by the world in 2008. And just as President Obama has been a disappointment for America, Pope Francis will prove a disaster for the Catholic Church.

My fellow Catholics should be suspicious when bastions of anti-Catholicism in the left-wing media are in love with him.

Much is being made of his ‘compassion’ and ‘humility,’ but kissing babies and hugging the sick is nothing new. Every pope in recent memory has done the same, yet only now are the media paying attention. Benedict XVI and John Paul II refused to kowtow to the liberal agenda, and so such displays of tenderness were under-covered.

Francis is beating a retreat for the Catholic Church, and making sure its controversial doctrines are whispered, not yelled – no wonder the New York Times is in love.

But Francis is beating a retreat for the Catholic Church, and making sure its controversial doctrines are whispered, not yelled – no wonder the New York Times is in love.

Just like President Obama loved apologizing for America, Pope Francis likes to apologize for the Catholic Church, thinking that the Church is at its best when it is passive and not offending anyone’s sensibilities.

In his interviews with those in the left-wing media he seeks to impress, Francis has said that the Church needs to stop being ‘obsessed’ with abortion and gay marriage, and instead of seeking to convert people, “we need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us.”

This softly-softly approach of not making a fuss has been tried before, and failed. The Second Vatican Council of the 1960’s aimed to “open the windows” of the Church to the modern world by doing just this.

The result was the Catholic version of New Coke. Across the West where the effects were felt, seminaries and convents emptied, church attendance plummeted, and adherence to Church doctrine diminished.

John Paul II and Benedict XVI worked hard to turn this trend around, but now Pope Francis wants the bad old days to resume.

Proof of this is Francis’ aforementioned statement of the Church being obsessed with controversial issues and the need to rebalance by talking about it less.

That Francis didn’t see that this would be translated into headlines of “Pope tells Catholics to shut up about things that offend Sandra Fluke” by every left-wing media outlet shows a terrifying naivety.

Nor do his comments reflect reality.

For years, the majority of priests didn't dare cover controversial topics in their homilies in fear of getting angry letters from pick-and-choose Catholics outraged that their pastor dared to say something out of line with the Democratic Party.

Most parishioners therefore haven’t heard the Church’s argument on controversial topics. Consequently, usage of contraception is only slightly lower in Catholics than in the general population, and support of gay marriage is actually higher in Catholics than the general population. Perhaps talking about it even less isn’t the answer?

In trying to please the media and the modern world, Francis mistakes their glee for respect. Just like Obama thought he’d won over Putin by promising a reset, Francis thinks by talking vacuously about the poor, he will be respected. And it is vacuous -- the pontiff recently asked why it’s news that the stock market drops but not when an old person dies. When your leader is asking, “Why isn’t the newspaper a laundry list of obituaries?” you know you elected the wrong guy.

What effect is this having? For all we’re being told about how ‘disenfranchised’ Catholics are being brought back by Francis ‘reaching out,’ a recent Pew Research study showed that in America, the number of people who identify as Catholic has actually decreased.  Lesson: rubbing the egos of Church-hating left-wingers doesn’t make more Catholics, it just makes the Church less respected.

Francis not only panders to enemies and professional grievance mongers, but also attacks his allies. Just as Obama snubs Britain and Israel, Pope Francis swipes at practicing Catholics.

So not only has he insulted, and severely damaged the work of, pro-life and pro-marriage groups with his comments, he has also gone on the attack, dismissing Catholics who attend the older rites in Latin as ‘ideologizing’ and being guilty of ‘exploitation.’ Apparently “Who am I to judge?” doesn’t apply here.

On world matters, Francis’ statements are embarrassing. About communism, a destructive ideology that slaughtered millions of Catholics, he said:

“Learning about it through a courageous and honest person was helpful. I realized…an aspect of the social, which I then found in the social doctrine of the Church."

Not such kind words for the free market, however. In his recent apostolic exhortation he slammed unfettered capitalism, calling it ‘a new tyranny.’

Apart from the fact that there is no major nation practicing unfettered capitalism (like Obama, Francis loves attacking straw men) there is more real tyranny in socialist cesspools like Francis’ home of Argentina than in places where capitalism is predominant.

In the document he rejects the free market and calls for governments to overhaul financial systems so they attack inequality. In doing so he shows himself painfully misguided on economics, failing to see that free markets have consistently lifted the poor out of poverty, while socialism merely entrenches them in it, or kills them outright.

Like Obama, Francis is unable to see the problems that are really endangering his people. Like Obama he mistakes the faithful for the enemy, the enemy for his friend, condescension for respect, socialism for justice and capitalism for tyranny.

As a Catholic, I do hope Francis’ papacy is a successful one, but from his first months he seems hell-bent on a path to undo the great work of Benedict XVI and John Paul II, and to repeat critical mistakes of the past.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/20...tholic-churchs-obama-god-help-us/
BornAgain2

Warren was on Piers Morgan tonight - first off in this video, when he was asked about his views on homosexuality, he pretty much gave a "I'm against it, but, but, BUT..." kind of answer, and then shifted the direction to "tolerance".

With that being said - throughout this 3.5 minute video, look how they keep flashing images of POPE FRANKIE in the background - pretty much they're trying to give their viewers a deceptive impression that the RCC is *true Christianity*.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CxFcneiSxo
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A United States 'Spring' Coming?
12/5/13

Could an "Arab Spring" type of upheaval be brewing in the United States? Is the frustration and anger toward our dysfunctional politics and economics beginning to reach a tipping point where young folks begin to push for profound change? Has our democracy become so broken that citizens are going to find creative avenues to express their feelings? Will we pass through the holidays and winter of our dysfunction to arrive at a spring of change? I sense a movement of social unrest growing strongly and quietly towards our own version of the Arab Spring.

Let's take a look at some of the factors that might be pointing in this direction. This past week the GDP showed very positive growth (up 3.6 percent in the third quarter), corporations are booking huge profits, the stock market is at an all time high, and we have more multimillionaires and billionaires than ever before. So why does 70 percent of the country believe the United States is off on the wrong track? Why is trust of our economic, governmental and political institutions at a historic low? Why is the poverty rate back to a historical high?

For more than a generation, the middle class of this country has not seen any significant improvement in their financial situation. In fact, when you factor in inflation, the majority of the country has actually seen a decline in their economic status over the past 25 years. The wealthiest 5 percent of America has basically garnered nearly all the gains we have seen in economic growth over the last few decades. Many in New York City, Washington, DC and small enclaves around the country have done very very well, while the rest of America is either stagnant or in decline. As we reflect on Nelson Mandela's passing it is time to ask if we have our own version of apartheid here - not by race, but by economic status.

And all the above has occurred as the presidency and Congress has been lead by both political parties and ideologies including conservatives and liberals. Young Americans have put their hopes in presidents of both political parties who said they were going to change Washington DC and bring a new kind of politics, and have come away very disappointed and frustrated. Recently polling shows these young Americans (along with other citizens) have gone from overwhelmingly supporting President Obama to now incredibly upset about another politician who said one thing and did another. And the economics and dreams of their own life has been set back once again.

So here we have a majority of Americans at best no better off in more than a generation. Citizens with an incredible distrust and disappointment in the federal government, Wall Street, and both political parties. Citizens who have tried voting for each party, but come away worse off and more disillusioned. And citizens who are still searching for authentic leadership where words and actions are integrated and one. It is no wonder the simple yet powerful and authentic message of Pope Francis has been applauded by both Catholics and non-Catholics alike.

The main activists in the Arab Spring were young people (and especially young men) who grew very frustrated and finally took to the streets. So why haven't the young men (and women) of main stream America taken more to the streets here and pushed their own version of a revolution? Maybe it is because they tried making change through regular politics and have now seen it hasn't worked. Maybe it is because they so far are preoccupied with video games which give them an outlet and a sense of control, but will soon tire of this as they realize there is more to life and want meaning.

Whatever the reason, at some point I believe the status quo in our politics and economics will no longer be acceptable to a large part of our country, and because the existing institutions are unresponsive, these agents of change will rise up in some way and very loudly and clearly say "enough is enough." And I think this will be a very good thing if it is done in a forceful and non-violent way.

**Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, and these Emergent Church leaders call themselves "change agents", FYI.

I have feared that the tragic school shooting and mass killings by deranged young men has been a canary in the coal mine for a growing dissatisfaction with life. I for one think we need some alternative for people in this country who have been ignored, misled, and forgotten about in the halls of power in DC and Wall Street to assert a new way and institute new leadership and structures that are responsive. Otherwise, a revolution of the heart and soul could easily become a clenched fist of force. As John F. Kennedy said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." It is time we begin to have this conversation more openly.

There you have it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/un...y?id=21110756&singlePage=true
CJ

A United States Spring Coming?
YES  And in the midst of our revolution, china-russia will nuke us and invade.
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about708.html
BornAgain2

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-franci...39-person-132543199--finance.html
Pope Francis named Time's Person of the Year
12/11/13

(Reuters) - Time magazine named Pope Francis its Person of the Year on Wednesday, crediting him with shifting the message of the Catholic Church while capturing the imagination of millions of people who had become disillusioned with the Vatican.

This is the third time the magazine has chosen a pope as its Person of the Year. Time gave that honor to Pope John Paul II in 1994 and to Pope John XXIII in 1963.

The Argentine pontiff - who, as archbishop of Buenos Aires was known as the slum cardinal for his visits to the poor and penchant for subway travel - beat former U.S. National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden and gay rights activist Edith Windsor for the award.

Other finalists included Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and U.S. Senator Ted Cruz from Texas.

"What makes this Pope so important is the speed with which he has captured the imaginations of millions who had given up on hoping for the church at all," Time said in its cover story.

"In a matter of months, Francis has elevated the healing mission of the church — the church as servant and comforter of hurting people in an often harsh world — above the doctrinal police work so important to his recent predecessors."

Time said the final selection was made by its editors, who had considered suggestions from the magazine's more than 2 million Twitter followers.

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said Pope Francis, the first non-European pope in 1,300 years, the first from Latin America and the first Jesuit, was not seeking fame.

"It is a positive sign that one of the most prestigious recognitions by the international media has been given to a person who proclaims to the world spiritual, religious and moral values and speaks out forcefully in favor of peace and greater justice," Lombardi said in a statement.

"If this attracts men and women and gives them hope, the Pope is happy. If this choice of 'Person of the Year' means that many have understood this message, even implicitly, he is certainly glad."

In September, Francis gave a groundbreaking and frank interview, in which he said the Vatican must shake off an obsession with teachings on abortion, contraception and homosexuality, and become more merciful.

And in July, Francis told reporters he was not in a position to judge homosexuals who are of good will and in search of God, marking a break from his predecessor, Benedict, who said homosexuality was an intrinsic disorder.

Francis replaced Benedict in March after he abdicated.

The new pope's style is characterized by frugality. He shunned the spacious papal apartment in the Vatican's Apostolic Palace to live in a small suite in a Vatican guest house, and he prefers a Ford Focus to the traditional pope's Mercedes.

A champion of the downtrodden, he visited the island of Lampedusa in southern Italy in July to pay tribute to hundreds of migrants who had died crossing the sea from North Africa.

With the Catholic Church marred in recent years by sex abuse scandals, Francis formed a team of experts Thursday to consider ways to improve the screening of priests, to protect minors to help victims.

Still, Barbara Blaine, president of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP), a victim advocacy group, said in a statement Wednesday that more action was needed.

"After nine months of essentially ignoring the church's most severe crisis, (Pope Francis) hastily announced last week that he'll appoint an abuse study panel," Blaine said. "He has not, however, made a single child safer."
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Merchandising Church Machine Rises, Jesuit Pope Calls Out Idolatry, Satan Controls Both
11 Dec 2013
 The Merchandising Church Machine Rises
The Jesuit Pope Calls Out Idolatry – Satan Controls Both
-The timing of this makes for a perfect setup-
Both have "the appearance" of light (truth), but are full of darkness. The Pope is pagan. "The Machine" is money.
The Pope goes after “consumerism” right when Merchandising Church Machine is exposed, perfect timing
http://www.ephesians511blog.blogs...ndising-church-machine-rises.html
http://www.christianitytoday.com/...heer-in-pope-francis-plan-to.html

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 – “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

The Greek word for the term “of righteousness” is the word “dikaiosynē” and it means - integrity, virtue, purity of life, rightness, correctness of thinking feeling, and acting
Satan’s ministers of integrity, virtue, purity of life, rightness, correctness of thinking feeling, and acting

So on one hand we have Satan’s Merchandising Church Machine as Satan’s ministers of righteousness chasing money in the name of Jesus and on the other hand we have Satan’s minister of righteousness, the Pope, calling out idolatry.
Both entities have the “appearance” of light (truth) but are full of darkness. Both entities are under Satan’s power.
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Gay Rights Mag Names Pope Francis 'Person of the Year' Despite Same-Sex Marriage Stance
A leading lifestyle magazine that promotes gay rights and same-sex marriage has named Pope Francis its “Person of the Year.”
The December issue of The Advocate features Pope Francis with a “NO H8” message photoshopped on his right cheek. Next to his photo is a quote from the pope’s interview with reporters in July, while en route from Brazil to Rome.
“If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?” the pontiff told reporters.

Pope Francis, who opposes same-sex marriage and vehemently fought its passage while he was archbishop of Buenos Aires, was chosen as The Advocate’s “Person of the Year” over Edie Windsor, of U.S. v. Windsor, the Supreme Court’s DOMA case, whom the magazine refers to as “a hero to LGBT Americans for taking the final punch in the fight against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act…”

Regarding its choice of Pope Francis, The Advocate states:
Pope Francis is leader of 1.2 billion Roman Catholics all over the world. There are three times as many Catholics in the world than there are citizens in the United States. Like it or not, what he says makes a difference. Sure, we all know Catholics who fudge on the religion's rules about morality. There's a lot of disagreement, about the role of women, about contraception, and more. But none of that should lead us to underestimate any pope's capacity for persuading hearts and minds in opening to LGBT people, and not only in the U.S. but globally…

Francis's view on how the Catholic Church should approach LGBT people was best explained in his own words during an in-depth interview with America magazine in September. He recalled, “A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person? We must always consider the person.”

In this statement, however, as some bishops have explained, Pope Francis was simply reinforcing what has always been the teaching of the Church: that all persons are to be treated with dignity and respect.
The Advocate, nevertheless, attempts to contrast Pope Francis sharply with his predecessors, Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI—who, the publication says, “commanded the influence of the Vatican – until this year.”
John Paul II, The Advocate says, joined then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in declaring homosexuality as “intrinsically evil.”

Ironically, however, the magazine refers to Pope Francis’ words as a “stark change in rhetoric,” though the future pope wrote in 2010 when the debate about same-sex marriage was at its peak in Argentina, “Let’s not be naïve: This is not a simple political struggle, but an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill but a move of the Father of Lies, who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone, chairman of the U.S. Bishops’ Subcommittee for the Promotion and Defense of Marriage, recently emphasized that Pope Francis’ words about homosexuality simply underscore the call for Christians to treat all persons with dignity. At the same time, Francis has joined with John Paul II, whom he will be canonizing next year, and Benedict XVI “to clearly promote and defend marriage and family, recognizing that this is in everyone’s best interest as members of a common society.”

Cordileone said that while “Pope Francis has forcefully reminded us that we are to show love and respect to all people and to seek their greatest good,” it is also “disgraceful that some legislators would manipulate the words of Pope Francis to suggest that he would support marriage redefinition.”

The archbishop said the redefinition of marriage is a “serious injustice” and that marriage between one man and one woman exists to protect “authentic rights, especially the right of children to have a married mother and father.”
The Advocate, nevertheless, in honoring Pope Francis, states, “…LGBT Catholics who remain in the church now have more reason to hope that change is coming.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Jour...son-of-the-Year-By-Gay-Rights-Mag
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Pope Francis drawing crowds four times larger than predecessor
12/18/13

More than two million people have flocked to Pope Francis' general audiences in St. Peter's Square since his election in March, four times the number that Pope Benedict drew in all of 2012.

The Vatican said on Wednesday it had issued 1,548,500 tickets for the 30 Wednesday general audiences Francis has held since his election on March 13 as the first non-European pope in 1,300 years.

But it said the actual number was "much larger" because no tickets are needed for the rear section of the square and surrounding streets, which accommodate overflow. That area, which fits at least 20,000, is regularly filled during Francis' audiences.

The Vatican did not issue comparative figures on Wednesday but figures released on January 4 showed that 447,000 tickets were issued for the 43 general audiences held by former Pope Benedict in all of 2012.

The pope, who last week was named Time Magazine's Person of the Year, has drawn people to the Vatican because of his outgoing, simple and friendly style. Benedict was more reserved and far less spontaneous.

Francis has forsaken many of the trappings used by his predecessors.

He has given up the spacious papal apartments in the Apostolic Palace for a small apartment in a guest house and is driven in a regular car instead of the papal limousine.

Francis has also proven to be hugely popular because of his statements urging the Church to be closer to the poor and to be more merciful and less condemning.

The crowds at Francis' general audiences have often topped 100,000, forcing police to close off the main boulevard leading to the Vatican to accommodate more people.

The Vatican newspaper said Francis telephoned Benedict to exchange Christmas greetings. Benedict is living in a former convent on the Vatican grounds and has the title Pope Emeritus.

Tickets to audiences and all other papal events are issued for free by the Vatican's Prefecture of the Pontifical Household and usually distributed through parishes and Church institutions.

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http://www.necn.com/12/12/13/Prie...-chur/landing.html?blockID=859691
12/12/13
Priest: Pope Francis has changed the church’s image, direction in a short time

(NECN)  - On Wednesday, it was announced that Pope Francis is being named Time Magazine’s Person of the Year.

Father James Brezke from the School of Theology and Ministry at Boston College talked about the impact the pope is having on the church and the world.

“I like it. I think he’s been a great leader, not only for the church but for the whole world, and then being a Jesuit is just an extra plus,” Father Brezke began. “In the short time that he’s been pope, I think that what he’s done more is change the image, direction, and restore a certain believability about the gospel message. And that’s a lot to do in just a couple of months.”

In addition, he spoke about how he believes the pope is trying to unite the world and the church, as well. He talked about how his Theology students and people in his parish are refreshed by the pope’s actions.
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http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_new...to-pope-francis-vatican-says?lite
12/28/13
Syria's Assad sends private message to Pope Francis, Vatican says

VATICAN CITY — Syrian President Bashar Assad has sent Pope Francis a private message, the Vatican said on Saturday, without disclosing its contents.

It was the first known time Assad has sent a direct message to the pontiff since the start of Syria's civil war in 2011. Pope Francis has made numerous appeals for an end to the conflict, the latest on Christmas Day.

Vatican sources said the message likely included the Syrian government's position ahead of peace talks due to start on January 22 under U.N. auspices in Geneva.

The Vatican, which has permanent observer status at the United Nations, also has a representative to U.N. organizations in Geneva.

The Vatican said a delegation headed by Joseph Sweid, a Syrian minister of state, held talks in the Vatican with the pope's secretary of state, Archbishop Pietro Parolin and his foreign minister, Archbishop Dominique Mamberti.

"The delegation brought a message from President Assad for the Holy Father and illustrated the position of the Syrian government," a statement said.

Syria's civil war between forces loyal to Assad and mostly Sunni Muslim rebels fighting to topple him has killed more than 100,000 people since March 2011.

The Vatican is also keen to have information on the fate of Father Paolo Dall'Oglio, a Jesuit priest who supported the rebels and disappeared in July in eastern Syria.

Francis has taken a personal interest in the Syrian conflict.

In September he led a worldwide day of prayer for peace in the country and sent a letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who was hosting the G20 summit, telling world powers that any military solution in Syria would be a "futile pursuit."

Putin was opposed to U.S. President Barack Obama's plan to use air strikes to punish Assad for a chemical weapons attack which the West blamed on the Syrian government.

Assad's government denied it was responsible and the air strikes never took place following Syria's agreement to dismantle it chemical weapons.
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http://news.yahoo.com/francis-dre...vatican-2013-three-141317582.html
Francis drew 6.6 million to Vatican in 2013, three times Benedict
1/2/14

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - More than 6.6 million people attended events with Pope Francis at the Vatican from his election in March to the end of 2013, figures released on Thursday showed, compared to 2.3 million for former Pope Benedict in all of 2012.

The Vatican said the figures were based on the number of tickets issued for papal events where they are needed, such as general audiences, Masses and private audiences.

They were also based on estimates of the number of people at events where tickets are not needed, such as his weekly appearance from a window overlooking St. Peter's Square.

The Vatican did not issue comparative figures on Thursday but figures released on January 4, 2013 showed that some 2.3 million people attended all events presided by Benedict in 2012.

Benedict, citing health reasons, resigned on February 28, 2013, becoming the first pope in 600 years to do so rather than ruling for life. He is now known as Pope Emeritus.

Figures released last month which were limited to the number of people who attended weekly general audiences showed that Francis had drawn around four times as many people in about 9 and a half months of 2013 than Benedict had in all of 2012. Francis was elected on March 13, 2013.

Francis, who last month was named Person of the Year by Time Magazine, has drawn people to the Vatican because of his outgoing, simple and friendly style. Benedict was more reserved and far less spontaneous.

The first non-European pope in 1,300 years, he took over an institution rocked by sex abuse and other scandals, and losing faithful to other religions.

Reinvigorating the church, he has forsaken many of the trappings used by his predecessors. He gave up the spacious papal apartments in the Apostolic Palace for a small apartment in a guest house and is driven in a regular car instead of the papal limousine.

Francis has also proven to be popular because of his statements urging the Church to be closer to the poor and to be more merciful and less condemning.

The Vatican said the figures released on Thursday did not include the crowds that turned out to see the pope during his trips to Brazil, and to Assisi and Lampedusa in Italy.

More than 3 million people attended the pope's final event of the Brazil trip on Copacabana Beach in Rio de Janeiro on July 28
.

The crowds at Francis' general audiences and Sunday addresses have often topped 100,000, forcing police to close off the boulevard leading to the Vatican to accommodate more people.

Tickets to audiences and Masses are issued for free by the Vatican's Prefecture of the Pontifical Household and usually distributed through parishes and Church institutions.

(Reporting By Philip Pullella; Editing by Angus MacSwan)
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Pope celebrates sainthood of Pierre Favre, inspirational Jesuit
Jan 3, 2014
Rome (AFP) - Pope Francis held a mass on Friday to celebrate the sainthood of Pierre Favre, an early Jesuit priest the pontiff has said particularly inspired him.
Favre, also known as Peter Faber, was declared a saint by Francis on December 17, the pope's 77th birthday, in an accelerated procedure which bypassed Vatican tradition and the canonisation ceremony, and without the confirmation of a performed miracle.
In his homily, the pontiff called on Jesuits to follow Favre in his "desire to change the world".
In an interview with the Jesuit journal La Civilta Cattolica last year, Francis praised the priest's ability to "dialogue with all, even the most remote and even with his opponents".
He said he admired Favre's "simple piety, a certain naivety perhaps. His being available straightaway, his careful interior discernment, the fact that he was a man capable of great and strong decisions but also capable of being so gentle and loving."
The pontiff entered Favre into the "catalogue of saints" through the rarely used "equivalent canonisation" process, whereby popes can declare universal veneration for someone who has enjoyed widespread reverence over a long period of time.
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Look how craftily Frankie uses his words...

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-calls-...ildren-gay-parents-192102096.html
Pope calls for fresh Church approach to children of gay parents
1/4/14

Rome (AFP) - Pope Francis has called for a rethink in the way the Catholic Church deals with the children of gay couples and divorced parents, warning against "administering a vaccine against faith".

"On an educational level, gay unions raise challenges for us today which for us are sometimes difficult to understand," Francis said in a speech to the Catholic Union of Superiors General in November, extracts of which were published on Italian media websites on Saturday.

"The number of children in schools whose parents have separated is very high," he said, adding that family make-ups were also changing.

"I remember a case in which a sad little girl confessed to her teacher: 'my mother's girlfriend doesn't love me'," he was quoted as saying.

The pontiff said educational leaders should ask themselves "how can we proclaim Christ to a generation that is changing?"

"We must be careful not to administer a vaccine against faith to them," the 77-year-old added.

Though the Church has often been in conflict with the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community over its opposition to same-sex marriage and to homosexuality, Francis has drawn praise for attempts to be inclusive.

In July he reached out to gays, declaring that "if someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?"

And in December, the Advocate magazine -- dedicated to the gay and lesbian community -- chose the head of the Catholic Church as the "single most influential person of 2013 on the lives of LGBT people."

The reform-minded pontiff has also called an extraordinary assembly of the Synod of Bishops next year to discuss the Church's position with regard to the family, which is expected to address among other issues the problem of divorcees remarrying and children of divorced parents.

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Uhm...Frankie forgot about this...

Matthew 5:32  But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Proverbs_20:11  Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.

Pro_22:6  Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Pro_22:15  Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Pro_23:13  Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

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