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FALSE PROPHETS TODAY.  PLEASE feel free to add your comments!

Dangers of the Rick Warren Daniel Plan on page 5

Rick Wiles of True (Lying) News
I knew there were problems with Rick Wiles teachings for years.
I did not realize how profound and dangerous until now.
A year ago Rick wiles wanted money for a cult following in the Carribean, now its FloriDUH.  I was tempted to join him, but the LORD said 'CULT'
Wily Wiles Plans to Rob Widows - Super Snake

A friend of mine does this blog.
This blog is designed to make you "think". Also to encourage,exhort,edify and "Warn" the saints of God
as we see the day of The Lord on the horrizon.

His daughter is as bad as he is.
He has no fear of GOD!

Rick Warren son Matthew suicide

Wolves Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Rick Warren, etc

Purpose Driven Rick Warren
WOLF Rick Warren preachs a FALSE 'social gospel' = COMMUNISM

Benny Hinn is a SNAKE from hell!
So is Rick Warren!

John MacArthur is Satan's servant

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Russ Dizdar

Shatter the Darkness

I have listened to Russ Dizdar, and what is so deceptive is
how right false prophets are - up to a point.

When I emailed him Nov 16 about SS, a well know, dangerous witch posing as a christian, and he emailed me back feigning ignorance, I knew he was false.
As if his close association with Steve Quayle was not enough proof he is false.
SQ - see

Our friends say a lot about us - yet we need to be careful doing that.
I emailed Dizdar website to a few friends for their discernment, and here are their replies.
I have used SS for the witch.  DO NOT go to her webpage or google her - she will attack you.  She is a very powerful black witch.
Power Hour had SS on as if she is such a devout Christian.
Therefore I do not trust Joyce on Power Hour either.  I emailed her to warn her.

Nov 17, 2009
I asked several for discernment on Russ Dizdar, shatter the darkness

--------------  H replied   -----------------
1 - He loves mammon
2 - Russ is a self promoter
3 - He has a familar spirit, a demon
This man is a false disciple, he is blessing catholic bishops who listen to his junk.
We are not to bless false teachers, catholic bishops are cursed of God.
After listening to his droning self promoting audio I felt absolutely no presence of the HOLY SPIRIT at all.
FLEE this man would be my advice.

the eyes are the window to the soul......

--------------  Pastor M replied   -----------------

Danger, danger, danger, Russ and SS websites are totally focused on evil
Romans 16:19
For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf
but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

Why people don't see the deceptions of Rick Warren, is really beyond me.

There are 2 former pastors in my former city of New Orleans, which I respect dearly(one of them is firmly post-trib in his end times view, the other not sure, but he's a firm fundamentalist) have done nothing but GUSH over this wicked man.

I mean one of them, in his blog this year, said how Rick Warren, with all the $$$$ he's poured into the city, would one day bring hope to the city. I mean is this a JOKE? I thought the Lord Jesus Christ is the one that brings hope? Not some MAN!

For the most part, New Orleans has been getting WORSE since the storm hit, to the point of hopeless. I don't buy for one minute any of Warren's money is going for good causes in that city. After all, he's probably a FEMA pastor employed by them.

Also, I've noticed in the last couple of years how many 'fairly new' pastors have been hired in their respective churches. Rarely do I see any nowdays that are still preaching in the same church after upteen years. You always wonder if the government is sneaking agents into churches like this.

I dont *know* how many church pastors today are false, but my guess would have to be at least 75% of them.  If you include roman catholic church leadership - its 99%

Being post-trib does not ensure you are a man of GOD
and being a rapture escapist doesnt prove you are all false.

Rick Warren is CFR - he is a govt shill.
Benny Hinn is a charlaton - if not a satanist.

If you think too much about the church - its depressing.
It is not simply asleep - it is APOSTATE!
IT FAILED - UTTERLY - or 0bama would not be in office destroying the nation.

I'd say most true Believers today are unchurched because churches make us sick.
America is suffering the equivalent fate of Israel when her sins took her into Babylon.
She is a wicked nation.

Now - it's come to a point where people like Billy Graham, Franklin Graham, Rick Warren, Joel Osteen and John MacArthur are the church's 'golden boys'. Yah - if you just MERELY try to point out a MERE 2-3 of their errors, then people are going to get VERY defensive.

For example, I tried telling my mom about Rick Warren last year(thankfully, she doesn't follow his work, but she likes him alot nonetheless), and her responses were like, "You're jealous of people who are more successful than you", "You hate people who disagree with you", "But he gives 90% of his income as tithe", "How dare you call out someone who has witnessed Christ to millions", etc. Heck - when I pointed out how he went to Muslim conferences, she said, "Don't you see he's trying to witness to those Muslims?" Oh yah - if ANYONE *tries* doing that, expect to be in the emergency room shortly after(!).

And then last week, I pointed out a MERE few errors Billy Graham made on Larry King(without going into his sinister background with his connections with the Masons, Vatican, his several decades of heresey, etc) - and she too got pretty annoyed - when I told her how he told Larry King how talking about Hell and repentence wasn't his job, her response was, "But he's doing the right thing by talking about the LOVE of God, and he doesn't want to scare people initially".

I mean Larry King SPECIFICALLY asked Graham if Muslims and Hindus go to Hell when they die b/c they don't believe in Jesus Christ, and Graham SPECIFICALLY said, "That's no my call...". I mean this RIGHT there should raise a RED FLAG. Even if Graham indeed was a good guy, he STILL dropped by ball!(i.e. Joel Osteen gave the same response when King asked him this same question)

Anyhow - yeah, I mean even there's PLENTY of scripture that says how the church is ONE body, how every part of the body should encourage one another et al, be united in one faith, one Lord, etc, how Jesus Christ is the head, etc. And NOW it's to the point where if members of the church just MERELY disagree on Billy Graham, Rick Warren, the rapture doctrines, voting on a particular candidate, etc, it all of a sudden becomes DIVIDED?

Also - remember what Paul said in Romans how not one is righteous, noone doeth good, etc? Now all of a sudden they're bowing down to Billy Graham and John MacArthur?

And Graham's hereseys and errors go WAY back - when I read his Newsweek 2006 interview where he said there were many different interpretations of the bible, my initial impression was that he was suffering from health problems, and couldn't think straight.

However - the 1997 interview with New Age Wolf in Sheeps Clothing Robert Schuller denying John 14:6...his health was perfect and pristine. And he's made similar comments to McCall's mag, Phil Donahue, and other MSM outlets over the decades as well.

Overall - yes, I agree with you that 75% of churches have become Apostate, but even worse, Political Correctness has hit the church as well. I mean you can't even ASK QUESTIONS about anything anymore. It's alot like someone trying to call out Ronald Reagan, and subsequently they're branded as a liberal. Okay...I would take a liberal any day over a fake conservative, b/c at least with liberals, they're honest with their views. Anyhow - it's just sad to see that the body of the church presently is pretty fragile. Instead of getting together to pray about certain issues, they end up fighting amongst themselves.

And less not forget the 'conspiracy theory' term - this itself just derails discussions almost immediately. Yeah - if we try to bring up Rick Warren's Council on Foreigh Relations connections, then people will all of a sudden be barking 'CONSPIRACY THEORY!'. I guess we have to compromise with evil to help our witness then? Rolling Eyes

Less not forget the Dominionists - they believe that it's THEY(pretty much a select elect chosen by God) who will have to clean up all this mess on earth to PAVE THE WAY for Jesus to come back. Pretty much all these "elite" evangelicals we see on the MSM frequently(Robertson, late Falwell, Palin, Haggard before he got caught, Warren, et al) are part of this group.

And guess what - even THEY have admitted that they are working together with the Theosophists to bring in this New Age Christ to help pave the way. 1st Tim 4:1 - giving heed to seducing spirits, and their consciences were sealed with a hot iron.

Of course, they probably haven't read Matthew 24 themselves.

Apparently, there's a Purpose Driven Church NETWORK, with Warren at the HEAD.
Do a search for ALL churches within 20 or so miles in your area, you will be STUNNED to see HOW MANY of them are yoked up in this draconian empire.

In my previous city, both my daytime and nighttime ones are yoked up, and the big First Baptist in my current city is so as well(although thankfully, the one I'm going to hasn't even sniffed PDL).

I mean this just makes you angry, doesn't it? Be angry, and sin not? So much for Warren's doctrines from Hell, but even worse is his membership to the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, which has been pushing for the NORTH AMERICAN UNION with the new currency AMERO to be implemented.

Jesus was never mad at the tax collectors, harlots, and other grave sinners you can think of, HOWEVER...he WAS mad at the moneychangers in the Temple and the Pharisees, both of him POLLUTED God's Word.(i.e. Ye Hypocrites!)
Again - something like this just makes you MAD.

BornAgain2 wrote:

Americans Against Hate,  CAIR Watch
Host: Ingrid Schlueter
Guest: Joe Kaufman

Joe Kaufman is the Chairman of Americans Against Hate, and the founder of CAIR Watch.
He has been responsible for the closure of at least one terror-related charity and has convinced a number of government officials to shun the Hamas front-group, CAIR.
In June 2009, he won a lawsuit brought against him by seven Dallas-area radical Muslim organizations.
He is author of a new piece out in FrontPage Magazine entitled, Rick Warren: A Shill for Terror.

In July of 2009, pastor Rick Warren (Purpose Driven Life author) agreed to speak at the annual convention for the Islamic Society of North America, a group with ties to hate, bigotry and terrorism.
Even more controversial is this questin: If Warren had actually preached an uncompromising gospel message (which runs counter to Islam),
and his picture was only about the 2009 convention,
why is his picture still on the ISNA site even after the completion of their 2010 conference?

Also discussed was Dr. John Piper who, in the past, has been a doctrinally solid stalwart in the faith.
Piper mysteriously “sold out” by including Warren as one of the speakers at his Discovering God Conference that took place this past weekend in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
To listen we recommend Windows Media, RealAudio, Winamp, or QuickTime players

BA - I already have a thread for these wolves, so I transferred your post here.  Smile
FrontPage is good link  -

Sad LIE Sad

Jesus was HIV-positive, claims pastor
A South African pastor has angered Christians by preaching a sermon entitled ‘Jesus was HIV positive’ in a bid to combat the stigma surrounding HIV and Aids. "My responsibility as a pastor is to paint a picture of a God who cares for people and wants the best for them, not who judges them and is
ashamed of them," Sky News quoted Reverend Xola Skosana as telling the Mail And Guardian newspaper.

The reverend preaches at the non-denominational Way of Life church in Khayelitsha, near Cape Town, a township with one of the highest rates of HIV in South Africa.
Last month Skosana, who has lost two of his sisters to Aids, underwent an HIV test in front of his congregation, along with more than 100 young people from the township.
While his approach has been appreciated by Aids campaigners in South Africa, some Christians have accused him of portraying Jesus as sexually promiscuous.
Former president Thabo Mbeki fought the claims of Aids campaigners.
"They're saying you can't reconcile Jesus and Aids,” Mbeki said.
"But in many parts of the Bible God put himself in the position of the sick and the marginalized," the priest countered former president’s statement.
Whilst the nation is still recovering from the damage happened due to ignorance towards the HIV issue, the Catholic Church in the country has avoided discussion on Aids.

False teacher and SBC member Ed Young, Jr goes after access to church members bank accounts

Megachurch Pastor Jim Swilley is queer
ROCKDALE COUNTY, Ga. -- The pastor of a Rockdale County megachurch has publicly announced he is gay.
Jim Swilley, bishop of Conyers’ Church in the Now, said he hopes his coming out will change attitudes toward homosexuality.
“I know a lot of straight people think it is a choice. It is not,” Swilley told Channel 2’s Diana Davis.

Swilley, 52, founded the church 25 years ago. He seemed the stereotypical picture of a pastor, with four kids and a wife who doubled as his associate pastor. But Swilley said he's known he was gay since he was little boy. He said his wife, Debye, also knew his secret from the start.

“I think some women marry gay men because they really think they can change them,” Swilley said.
The now-divorced couple kept their secret for 21 years, but earlier this year, Swilley said Debye told him it was time to stop living a lie.
She said he should practice what he preaches and follow the church’s motto, “Real people experiencing a real God in the real world.”

So, Swilley came out to his kids and his congregation. He said he knew he might risk everything, but the recent rash of gay teen suicides pushed him over the edge.
“As a father, thinking about your 16, 17 year old killing themselves. I thought somebody needed to say something,” Swilley said through tears.

He says he's received support from many in his congregation, but at least one conservative Christian blog has called him sick, twisted, unclean and an instrument of the devil.
“I know all the hateful stuff that’s being written about me online, whatever,” Swilley said. “To think about saving a teenager yeah, I'll risk my reputation for that.”

Many pastors and leaders in large churches are false.

National Council of Churches Sends Delegation to Praise Obama

The apostate and dying National Council of Churches sent a few of their Head Druids to the White House to praise Barack Obama for his fine work. Meanwhile, the unemployed and increasingly angry parishioners who still attend these temples of doom are voting the other party.

“Church officials met on election eve with President Obama to support his policies. But exit polls clearly show that their claimed constituency of churchgoers voted very differently.” – Mark Tooley, IRD President

WASHINGTON, Nov. 4 /Christian Newswire/ — On November 1, a large delegation from the National Council of Churches, which claims to represent over 40 million church members, came to the White House to “thank President Obama for passage of historic health reform legislation and robust engagement with the faith community.” The NCC leaders, according to their press release, also deplored the “fear-mongering and divisiveness” of the campaign in which the president’s policies came under heavy criticism.

But the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life reports that white mainline Protestants favored Republicans by a 54-36 margin in late October. And exit polls Tuesday showed white evangelicals voting Republican by an overwhelming 78-20 spread, thus belying the evangelical left’s claims of a growing constituency.

IRD President Mark Tooley commented:
“The election eve National Council of Churches ‘prayer’ meeting with President Obama was eerily reminiscent of the NCC’s similarly partisan meeting in 1995 with President Clinton, where church leaders prayed that the Democratic president would be ‘strong for the task’ of resisting the then new Republican Congress. Then as now, the NCC’s mainline Protestant constituency is more diverse and more conservative than the liberal NCC elites are willing to admit.

“Also suspect are claims by the evangelical left, represented most prominently by Jim Wallis of Sojourners, that evangelicals are flocking to support ‘progressive’ causes and candidates. Exit polls showed that evangelicals voted Republican this week by exactly the same margin that they backed George W. Bush in 2004 — previously the high water mark of evangelical leanings in a conservative, Republican direction.

“The evangelical left and the old religious left represented by the NCC continually equate God’s Kingdom with big government. But their professed constituencies obviously believe very differently.”

The Institute on Religion & Democracy works to reaffirm the church’s biblical and historical teachings, strengthen and reform its role in public life, protect religious freedom, and renew democracy at home and abroad.

Choo Thomas is another wolf. In her famous "Heaven is so real" book she claims that Jesus told her those that don't tithe won't see his face because it "proves" they love money more than God.

New Agers Embrace "Guru" Rick Warren as One of Their Own
the New Agers consider Rick Warren an important guru. We know enough about that community that despite many out there's
false protestations that Rick Warren is "anti-New Age,"
the New Agers would not feature him unless they were convinced on very good authority that he was "one of them
He is about the 40th name down, but as you scroll down, look at the other names he has the privilege of being co guru's with


FYI- Warren grew up in Northern California. He is a fourth-generation Southern Baptist pastor, intimately familiar not just with churches but also with the spreading of them: his father was a "church planter," or serial church founder. The son, who has said that from sixth grade on he was always president of something (and told TIME he led a courthouse march for the 1960s radical group Students for a Democratic Society, or SDS), received his own call to ministry at age 19. He got a conventional theology doctorate and an unconventional education from a friend, management guru Peter Drucker, who refined Warren's organizational gift and offered a secular vocabulary with which to express it.

The SDS is a RADICAL Socialist group on college campuses, that also spawned Bill Ayers and Jim Wallis!,1830147-2,00.html#ixzz16A8gyFpj
Sandy Champion

Rick Warren: Not Just a Pastor

This will be short and to the point concerning Rick Warren:
He is not just a "mega-pastor", but he is also a bonifide [b]member to the Council on Foreign Relations[/b];  
I would not be suprised one bit ---if he shows up as one of the "key" figures behind the "ONE WORLD RELIGION", coming in the not-to distant-future.
We need to be aware of what sinister things that are about to be revealed and released upon this earth, dear saints!
Your brother in Christ, Sandy Champion

Yes Rick Warren is CFR
The sheep in his poison pasture are in grave danger
and I would NOT recommend any of his books to anyone

Warren and Hybels also work closely with the UN, which itself is a big red flag-

UN Leader Prays to Mayan Goddess at Cancun Summit Meeting
How did the world leader start their Cancun Summit Meeting?  They started it by praying toward a Mayan moon goddess.


This is a DIRECT quote from Warren himself...

If your church has been plateaued for six months, it might take six months to get it going again. If it's been plateaued a year, it might take a year.
If it's been plateaued for 20 years, you've got to set in for the duration!
I'm saying some people are going to have to die or leave.

Mar 7:20  And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21  For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22  Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23  All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

1Jn 2:9  He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1Jn 2:10  He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1Jn 2:11  But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

If you practice same sex sex, YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.  PERIOD! Exclamation

Philip Yancey and the 'Gay Christian' Network
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. (1 John 3:4-6)

A Christian Does Not Continually Practice Unrepentant Sin
Apprising Ministries continues doing what we can to alert spiritually obtuse pretending to be Protestant evangelicals to the grave dangers and deceptions of embracing the Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism (CSM) perpetrated by Living Spiritual Teacher and Quaker mystic Richard Foster, along with his friend and spiritual twin SBC minister Dallas Willard, as so-called Spiritual Formation (SF).

But CSM is nothing more than refried Roman Catholic mysticism with its pietism and asceticism romanticized for those who are ignorant of Church history. With this in mind I will also tell you plainly that CSM found its way into mainstream evangelicalism through its foolish embrace of the sinfully ecumenical Emergent Church aka Emerging Church, a neo-liberal cult now operating within it. The EC’s postmodern form of “big tent” Emergence Christianity is the putrid spiritual fruit of critical thinking skills-numbing CSM. At her fine More Books and Things blog Carla brings us another case in point as to how far this counter-Reformation spirituality has already spread into mainstream evanjellyfish.

She gives us the scoop on popular Christian writer Philip Yancey, who when asked, “Which writers most influenced your thinking about prayer,” tells us:

No Protestants come to mind, to be honest, so, much I have learned about prayer is from the Catholics. One book I discovered was by Mark Phibido, called, Arm Chair Mystic. Of course, if you want to go deeper, there’s Thomas Merton… (Online source)

Did you catch that; here we have Philip Yancey, an alleged evangelical Protestant and editor at large for Christianity Today magazine, going to apostate Roman Catholic mystics to learn about prayer. He even says that if we want to “go deeper” into Contemplative/Centering Prayer (CCP), meditation in an altered state of consciousness which is the crowning jewel of CSM, “there’s Thomas Merton.” You can learn more about the mystic Merton in Who Is Thomas Merton? For our purposes here I’ll simply point out that sinful ecumenicism is unquestionably a fruit of the practice of CSM; for proof one need only look at the deplorable mainline Protestant denominations, which began practicing it circa the mid-60′s.

Against this backdrop I remind you again that there is indeed a same-sex storm gathering hurricane force, which is right now, looming only slightly off the horizon of the mainstream evangelical community. Once again, I point out the reason why I believe the Lord moved me to begin covering the issue of a growing acceptance within evangelicalism that the deviant and sinful lifestyle of having sexual relations with another of the same sex, i.e homosexuality, is a viable one for the regenerated Christian. I’m using the issue of homosexuality as a flare to light up the sky with the Word of God in order to give you a chance to see the wide, and very rapid, advance of the pro-gay agenda of the EC within mainstream of the visible church.

I’ve also told you before that a primary goal of the EC, right from its evil inception has been to introduce the Counter Reformation spirituality of CSM; this is easily demonstrated as I showed you in The Emerging Church And The New Progressive Theology On Christ. There I informed you Living Spiritual Teacher and EC guru Brian McLaren wanted us to know that Richard Foster and Dallas Willard “with their emphasis on spiritual disciplines,” i.e. CSM, were “key mentors of the emerging church” as cited below from the 2004 article “The Emergent Mystique” in Christianity Today:

For the record, the above is from Brian’s Annotation to “The Emergent Mystique” – CT article. The fact is the EC, with its core doctrine of CSM, mounted an attack upon Sola Scriptura and is largely responsible for creating the current evangelical fad of practicing what’s merely refried mysticism-lite of apostate Roman Catholicism. One of the critical ways this happened within mainstream evangelicalism is the leadership of many evangelical churches made the huge blunder of plugging in the warped and toxic teachings of EC leaders, e.g. EC icon Rob Bell and his friend Doug Pagitt, into their Young Adult and Youth ministries. This is why recently in Word Faith “Bishop” Jim Swilley Announces That He’s Gay I told you that I believe a major evangelical figure will come out as homosexual “soon.”

The Rancid Fruit Of CSM Ripping Apart The Mainline Beginning To Invade Evangelicalism
The reason being, this will then serve to ignite this whole debate concerning homosexuality, which is currently ripping apart mainline denominations, right within the mainstream of evangelicalism itself. This brings us to the upcoming “The Mountaintop Experience” by something called The Gay Christian Network:

As you can see the aforementioned Philip Yancey is “this year’s keynote speaker” for the GCN conference. Let’s leave aside, for now, whatever Yancey may say in his message; it still certainly does give us another indication of how far the pro-gay agenda has now slithered into evangelicalism. You see, GCN tells us they’re:

Rick Warren To Give Away $1 Million To His Empire
Don't believe it when Rick Warren plays "average Joe" or poorboy
He's revealing what some of us already knew: he's raking in the bucks.
In his pride which is drapped in mock humility, Tricky reveals he's a millionaire. Please don't tell me you are surprised.

"Every time we've done these campaigns, Pastor Rick and his wife have always led the effort by saying what they're going to commit or give," he told The Christian Post. "They're committing based out of a slogan we've been using here: Not equal gifts but equal sacrifice."

Warren and his wife, Kay, have chosen to step out in faith by committing to give $1 million a year for the next three years to Saddleback.

"[T]his is how deeply we believe in the vision of this church," the California pastor said in an email to the congregation. Notably, Warren takes no salary from the church and supports his family with 9 percent of the royalties from his books while giving away the other 91 percent. He revealed that last year his personal income from his books was $87,000.
End quote. Source.

After being told yet again about how he doesn't take a salary from his church and does "reverse tithing" (which isn't biblical, and which if he had the right motives, we'd never know about it...we aren't to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing), we are then told he's going to give $1 million over the next three years to his new Decade of Destiny program to multiply his empire. How can he afford that?

What Tricky won't equally boast about is how he can afford to give away that much cool cash if he is only making $87,000 as he claims. Here's where he likely gets his money: from his interviews, seminars, and conferences, not to mention all the money gifted to him and/or his "church", all the freebies, etc.

Folks any pastor who parades around how much he isn't making isn't humble. He's prideful.

I am new here and would like to make a comment about what BornAgain2 had to say. Please don't think this an attack, but I am only curious why he believes what he has said. I also know that it's an old post so please forgive me if I upset anyone.

Billy Graham has done what no other evangelist has done in the history of Christianity. He has traveled around the world witnessing to hundreds of millions of people, and having millions of people makes decisions for Jesus.

Now when you say that Billy Graham was wrong for not saying that Jews,Hindus,Muslims, or any other group are going to Hell I have to agree with Billy Graham.I think you have missed the point, also. If you want to catch a bear you need honey, not vinegar.By telling someone they are going to go to Hell they become defensive and then you have lost the opportunity to lead them to Christ.

Now if he came out and said that all those groups are going to Hell and don't have a chance for Salvation it would make him look very judgmental. The only one that knows if a person is saved is God. Also if he was that arrogant to think he can see into someone's heart, Matthew 7:1 would come into effect. We cannot sit in judgment  on who is saved and who isn't. All we can do is tell people about Jesus, what he did, and let the Holy Spirit take it from there.

You also said that Billy Graham has been preaching heresies for years. What are the heresies he stood for and preached? I would like to know what they are.

Thank you for indulging me,
Your brother in Christ,

Thank you Mike, and welcome to the forum.
Your question is understandable.

I prefer to omit Billy Graham's name from the list.  He is well thot of worldwide, as is his son, Franklin.

I have seen some posts about him being in the same club as others I do mention as wolves.  Its just not wisdom to mention him.  Period.

WARNING!  Contemplative spirituality is drawing evangelicals to Rome / Satanism.
Roman Catholic is NOT CHRISTIAN!

Please read the following words carefully. Afterwards, guess where the author spoke?


Now I see that God prefers to work through intermediaries–Mary and the saints . . . He wants us to pray through Mary and not only directly. (p. 154)

THAT IS A LIE FROM HELL!  We are to pray directly to GOD in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ - ONLY!
There is NO OTHER WAY!


[Mary] may bring the churches together again and heal the tears in her Son’s visible body on earth, she, the very one who seems to divide Catholics from Protestants. The most distinctive Catholic doctrines, especially those concerning the Eucharist and Mary, may prove to be the most unifying and attracting ones. (p. 158)

Consecrate your life to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. She is the one who will win this war. She is the one (as the Bible says) who triumphs over Satan. (p. 169 – parenthesis in original)

~ Ecumenical Jihad

The author of these words spoke at:

A.) World Youth Day for the Roman Catholic Church

B.) Swimming the Tiber: A conference for Catholic converts sponsored by EWTN

C.) Evangelical Rick Warren’s Christian Apologetics Conference at Saddleback

The answer is C. Lighthouse Trails has the full story about the December conference--a report that demonstrates the growing disregard for the basic doctrinal teachings of Scripture. These are the doctrines that are essential to a proper understanding of the Gospel. They were the cause for the Reformation

As a handful of Christians have been warning for some time, contemplative spirituality is drawing evangelicals to Rome. As could be expected, Rick Warren is leading the charge to overthrow the Reformation and to develop a global ecumenical spirituality that leads invariably back to Rome.

The arterial system for delivering teachings straight into the local church was established by the Purpose-Driven movement in churches over the last 8 years. Hundreds of thousands of evangelical leaders and pastors have looked to Saddleback instead of the Bible as to how to build their churches. The result is that the ecumenical poison in full evidence at Warren’s “apologetics” conference will make its way back into those same churches. It was a brilliant scheme.

Instead of a Christian “apologetics” conference, it would be far more appropriate for Rick Warren to sponsor an Apology Conference at Saddleback that would release the following statement:

We hereby apologize to the countless martyrs–men, women and children–down through the centuries who have been hideously tortured and executed for their refusal to compromise biblical truth. We have made mockery of their sacrifice, and most importantly, have been guilty of high treason against the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is blasphemed when asked to share His throne with Mary or anyone else mankind comes up with. We repent and return to the biblical Gospel once delivered to the saints.

Those who still care about the authority of the teachings of Scripture must shun the seduction by false teachers like Rick Warren. The siren song of ecumenism must be shut out, and the words of our Captain must thunder in our ears.

“And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.”
Matthew 24:11-13

Rick Warren's New Health and Wellness Initiative
Could Have Profound Repercussions on Many

January 11, 2011

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" Rick Warren's New Health and Wellness Initiative Could Have Profound Repercussions on Many"

Just ten days after Lighthouse Trails posted its last and most important article of 2010, Rick Warren’s “Apologetics” Weekend Should Apologize for Representing “Another Gospel,” we must issue this Special Report regarding a year-long event that will be kicking off at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church on January 15th.

Near the end of 2010, Rick Warren announced that Saddleback Church would be entering "a Decade of Destiny." He told his congregation that they would be focusing on several key areas, one of them being "health and wellness." The "Daniel Challenge" or the "Daniel Plan" is Saddleback's new health "initiative."  On Saddleback's website, it states:

Gods’ Prescription For Your Health

Be a part of this transformational debut to be a healthier you!

The kick-off event is next weekend, January 15. We’ll hear from world-renowned doctors on a plan to get healthy and stay that way in the new decade.

Who are the "world-renowned doctors" that will be helping to kick off Saddleback's Decade of Destiny? Dr. Mehmet Oz, Dr. Daniel Amen, and Dr. Mark Hyman. The video on the website states that this program has been "Exclusively Designed for Saddleback Church by Three of the Leading Health Specialists in America."

Let us get right to the point: The three doctors who have put together a 52-week health program for Saddleback congregants are absolute advocates and proponents of not just eastern-style meditation but actual eastern meditation and much much more as this article will reveal. Right off, let us say that if you are thinking perhaps that these doctors will only advise Saddleback on legitimate health advice (exercise, healthy eating, etc.) take a look at this video (taken place at Saddleback) between Rick Warren and Dr. Daniel Amen. Amen intends to help Saddleback participants to have good "brain health," which he firmly believes comes from meditation. In this video, he openly discusses meditation with Rick Warren.

What are the spiritual underpinnings of the meditation these three doctors are propagating? This report will lay it out for you.

Dr. Amen, founder of Amen Clinics, is the author of over 25 books. He teaches techniques that will improve "brain health," claiming that poor brain health is associated with a host of problems from overeating to depression. As Dr. Amen describes in the video you just saw, he includes meditation (and in fact this is his primary tool) as a way to have a healthy brain.

It is the nature of this meditation that sets Dr. Amen apart from any other individual that Lighthouse Trails has ever written about concerning Rick Warren. In a 6-CD set called Create a More Passionate Night,  Dr. Amen has teamed up with advanced certified Tantra educator, T. J. Bartel. It is important that you visit Bartel's website to better understand the nature of what he stands for. By the way, when you hear Bartel say "Namaste," this means the god in me bows down to the god in  you. We have discussed tantric sex in a number of  Lighthouse Trails articles in the past, such as one called What's Sex Got to Do with It?" Please refer to this article if you are unfamiliar with this spiritual practice. In essence, Tantra or tantric sex is the use of Hinduistic-type mysticism during sexual intercourse. Please listen to what Ray Yungen has to say about Tantra and the serious implications of it:

Tantra is the name of the ancient Hindu sacred texts that contain certain rituals and secrets. Some deal with taking the energies brought forth in meditation through the chakras and combining them with love-making to enhance sexual experiences.

Once completely off-limits to the masses of humanity, Tantra, like all other New Age methodologies, is now starting to gain increasing popularity. . . . The potential to impact a very great number of people, especially men, was brought out in an article by a sex workerwho incorporates “Tantric Bodywork” into her services. . . .  she has turned to Tantric Union to give her clients what she feels is not just sex but “union with the divine.” . . .  Now the “multitudes of men” who come to her get much more than they bargained for. In the past, wives and girlfriends needed only to worry about sexually transmitted diseases from cheating husbands and boyfriends, but now their men may instead bring home spiritual entities! (For Many Shall Come in My Name, Yungen, pp. 115-116)

We are sorry to be so frank - but we must - we are dealing with Rick Warren,  "America's Pastor" and one of the most, perhaps the most, influential evangelical leaders today. And in just a few days, he will be starting a 52-week health program that has been designed by Dr. Amen, a tantric sex activist! Dr. Amen expresses his strong feelings about tantric in his book, Change Your Brain, Change Your Body:

In my book, The Brain in Love, I wrote about Tantric sexual practices, and was fascinated by the concept . . .  I wanted to experience it for myself and thought it would be a wonderful way to enhance my relationship with my wife, Tana. . . .  T.J. Bartel . . . became our teacher . . . I felt as if I had to share his knowledge with everyone I knew." (p. 283)

Everyone he knows? Will that include Rick Warren, Saddleback Church, and even overflow to thousands of Purpose Driven churches? That could potentially be millions of people. On the video interview with Rick Warren and Dr. Amen, Warren states that Dr. Amen's resources would be available for those attending the seminar this coming weekend. In almost all of the "resources" by  Dr. Amen, he  advocates eastern meditation. In some of the books, he devotes many many pages to meditation practices. On page 238 of Amen's Making a Good Brain Great, he states: "I recommend an active form of yoga meditation called Kriya Kirtan. It is based on the five primal sounds saa, taa, naa, maa, aa." He tells readers to repeat these sounds for 12 minutes straight.

Many of you have heard of New Age leader Eckhart Tolle, whose 2008 book A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life's Purpose was highly popularized by Oprah. Tolle stated that the book's purpose was to bring about a "shift in consciousness" (pp. 6-7). In his earlier book, The Power of Now, he speaks of  this "consciousness," what he considers a christ-consciousness:  

Christ is your God-essence or the Self, as it is sometimes called in the East. The only difference between Christ and presence is that Christ refers to your indwelling divinity regardless of whether you are conscious of it or not, whereas presence means your awakened divinity or God-essence. (p. 104)

For more on Eckhart Tolle and the great awakening that New Agers seek after for the planet, read Warren B. Smith's 4-part article, " The Great Heretical Idea: Oprah and Eckhart Do the New Age Shift." Dr. Daniel Amen talks about Tolle's The Power of Now in his book, Change Your Brain, Change Your Body, calling Tolle's book "extraordinary."

Dr. Amen's meditation technique of choice is Kriya Kirtan, as we stated above. This is a form of kundalini yoga (see his book,The Brain in Love, p. 146). Those who have studied with discernment the New Age, know that kundalini (or serpent power) is the spiritual "energy" behind meditation. Ray Yungen explains the relationship between kundalini and the chakras:

The chakras act as conduits or conductors for what is called kundalini or serpent energy. They say this force lies coiled but dormant at the base of the spine like a snake. When awakened during meditation, it is supposed to travel up the spine activating each chakra as it surges upward. When the kundalini force hits the crown chakra, the person experiences enlightenment or Self-realization. This mystical current results in the person knowing himself to be God. That is why kundalini is sometimes referred to as the divine energy. According to New Age proponents, all meditative methods involve energy and power, and the greater the power, the greater the experience. (FMSC, pp. 76-77)

Dr. Mark Hyman, one of the three doctors who "designed" the "Daniel Challenge" for Saddleback , is another strong advocate for mystical meditation. In his book, The Ultramind Solution, Hyman emphasizes meditation, saying that it doesn't matter what religion one has to benefit from it (p. 322). Dr. Hyman suggests that "Mindful meditation is a powerful well-researched tool, developed by Buddhists" (p. 384). On the front cover of The Ultramind Solution, sits an endorsement by Dr. Mehmet Oz, the third doctor who will be training Saddleback on health.

Anyone who watches daytime television, in particular Oprah, will know the name Dr. Oz, a highly renowned cardiovascular surgeon.  It was Oprah who featured him on her show for five years, making him a household name, which eventually led to his own television show, one of the most popular shows on television.

Last February, Lighthouse Trails posted a piece titled "Dr. Oz Tells Millions of Americans: 'Try Reiki!'" In January 2010, Dr. Oz brought a Reiki master onto his show to demonstrate Reiki and then ended the show saying,  “try Reiki” as the #1 “Oz’s Order.” It would make sense that Dr. Oz would tell his viewers to try Reiki - his wife is a Reiki practitioner. One press release related:

Reiki Masters across America and the world had cause for celebration on January 6 when Dr. Mehmet Oz revealed his Ultimate Alternative Medicine Secrets for 2010 during his nationally broadcast afternoon talk show. He ranked Reiki #1. Dr. Oz said, “Reiki is one of my favorites, we’ve been using it for years in the Oz family, and we swear by it.”

As Lighthouse Trails has documented for years, Reiki is a type of "energy healing" that is based on the New Age chakra system and puts those practicing it into contact with the realm of familiar spirits. If this sounds far fetched, listen to what one Reiki master wrote in the Everything Reiki Book:

During the Reiki attunement process, the avenue that is opened within the body to allow Reiki to flow through also opens up the psychic communication centers.  This is why many Reiki practitioners report having verbalized channeled communications with the spirit world. (cited in A Time of Departing, p. 97)

Recently, we posted a YouTube video that describes the spiritual consequences of practicing Reiki. The person doing the video told the story of one woman, who after practicing Reiki came into contact with 35 spirit guides, and she was unable to rid herself of them. They told her they would be with her forever. If you have not yet viewed this 10 minute video, it is imperative that you do. Reiki is a catalyst  or channel, as stated earlier, into the spirit world. This is not a silly, nonsensical ritual with no meaning. This is serious stuff!

How serious? Consider this: A book titled The Instruction written by Ainslie MacLeod, is described by the publisher as the following:

Have you ever sensed that your life has a deeper, more meaningful purpose--but don't know what it is? If so, you're not alone. To help you and the millions like you, psychic Ainslie MacLeod's spirit guides have given him a systematic approach to uncovering who you really are--and the life your soul has planned for you. They call it The Instruction. Now, for the first time, this unique teaching is offered as a step-by-step program for realizing personal fulfillment. The Instruction will take you through ten "doorways" to unveil the life plan your soul created before you were even born.

In the  foreword written by MacLeod, he says the "purpose of the book is to understand the coming shift in consciousness that is poised to sweep the planet. This transformation will affect everyone of us in some way." This book, which is given by spirit guides and lays out the basic foundation for the New Age impressed Dr. Oz so much that he wrote an endorsement for the front cover. He stated:   "I recommend this book to those who seek greater spiritual well-being and a better understanding of their life's purpose." Dr. Oz's endorsement is also on the front cover of MacLeod's 2010 book, The Transformation: Healing Your Past Lives to Realize Your Soul's Potential,where he exclaimed: "Ainslie MacLeod is at the frontier of exploration into the soul and its profound influence on our physical selves."

Make no mistake about it - Reiki, meditation, tantric sex - these are very powerful mystical experiences that have the capability to delude and deceive those who are involved with it. While many of the health ideas these three doctors share in their books and DVDs are legitimate (exercise, vitamins, and good diet, etc.), these doctors firmly believe in meditation and want to make it widely accepted and embraced and have interwoven this belief into their programs. As Dr. Amen admitted himself, he wants to tell everyone he knows about meditation. Rick Warren and Saddleback are in danger as could be the millions who Rick Warren influences.

We urge all discerning believers to contact their own pastors  and any other pastors or leaders they know to warn them about what is taking place in the name of wellness and fitness in the church. We urge you also to contact ministries who have, in one way or another, either through consent or silence, supported the "new" spirituality that is trying to enter the church and tell them where it leads.  The wellness and fitness aspect of this is just another face of this whole movement that is impacting our entire culture.

In this plea, consider what Roger Oakland stated at the end of Faith Undone:

There are still pastors and churches dedicated to proclaiming the truth. Find out where they are and support them. If you are in a location where this does not seem to be possible, seek out materials that are available from solid Bible-based Christian ministries and hold Bible studies in your homes.

When Jesus returns, He will not find a utopian world filled with peace but one in shambles, unrest, violence, and war for having forsaken the Word of God, the true Gospel, and the One true God. Rather than being a time when He will praise the world for discovering its christ-consciousness, He will come as a Judge and powerful King (p. 230).

Let us hold fast to the truth, and in considering the fact that compromising our spiritual health and wellness is never the right avenue to physical wellness, remember the words Paul spoke to the Romans. He did not tell them to entertain spirit guides, practice mantra meditation, yoga, or Reiki. This was his instruction to believers:

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Romans 12: 1-2

As important as physical health may be, we must remember that our bodies are only temporal. Yes, we should take care of them, but in the process we should not do as Esau did and sell out our spiritual heritage for a bowl of pottage.

January 7th Show: Pat Robertson does not hear from God & other false prophets

Jan 10

Every January prognosticators and forecasters in the world, the church, and the occult publish their predictions for the coming year. When we look back at their track record, we're not very impressed. Some are hit & miss; others are downright off target; none are 100% accurate.

Recently the economic experts have most people's attention. They base their predictions on their understanding of the financial market. Meteorologists forecast weather patterns to expect in the coming year. Astrologers supposedly see into the future via the study of the constellations and superstitious beliefs in their influences. And self-appointed prophets in the visible church prophesy according to a supposed dream, vision, or audible voice from God.

All these voices have a common appeal: worldliness. They attract people who are afraid of the future and want to know that their comfort in this life is secure for another year. Yet that focus is contrary to the Bible. Jesus told us not to concern ourselves with those needs but to seek the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and leave the rest to Him.  

"I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? ...Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble." - Matt. 6:24b-25;34

Yet every year we are bombarded with so-called prophecies of how we need to do certain things in order to prosper and get through the year. CBN founder/president Pat Robertson hears from God, he says, every year. God just happens to keep the same calendar as the former presidential candidate. But his record for accuracy is abysmal.
Back in 1999, for instance, he said that God told him that those who do not double their giving that year would not survive the year 2000. Benny Hinn quoted him on TBN's Praise-a-Thon in order to twist people's arms to give more than they could afford. When 2000 came and went, there was no apology from the 700 Club or TBN.

According to the Bible, that makes Pat Robertson a false prophet. And we certainly should not listen to him.

"When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him."  - Deut 18:22

This year, according to Robertson, God is again worried about His people's bank accounts. Pat prefaced his prophecy he gave to the 700 Club audience with a warning: "this is what I'm writing and what I'm saying this is what the Lord said." Then he pontificated about his favorite subject: the economy.

"Your country is in grave peril. The leaders have hearkened to the demands of interest groups and have led your nation into bankruptcy. In two years will come a time of reckoning - it's not now, but it's gonna be two years from now. Your creditors will demand payment and there will not be enough to satisfy their claims. Your currency will shrink in value, your bonds will lose value, people on fixed incomes will suffer, unemployment will escalate, and there will be turmoil."

The economic forecasters could have said as much and they didn't require some audible voice from God. Since Robertson has already demonstrated his propensity to say "thus saith the Lord" when the Lord hasn't spoken to him, why should we listen to him now? And besides, he didn't say anything important at all anyway.

Elijah List, the umbrella group of false prophets, published a transcript of Pat Robertson's latest prophecy for 2011 and put in a ridiculous disclaimer to protect Pat and other false prophets for being labeled for what they are. The publisher Steve Shultz wrote:

"Some are confused because there are so many differing pieces of the puzzle as we have posted words for 2011. That is because there would not be a need for thousands of prophets unless this was a large puzzle...Keep in mind that prayer can change any negative prophecy."

Yet Pat Robertson did not deliver his word from God with any conditions. Shultz got this unbiblical idea from the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders [ACPE], headed up by C. Peter Wagner and Cindy Jacobs. They put together a collective prophecy from all their false prophet underlings every year and because of their horrible record they had to change the Bible's requirement for 100% accuracy.

Last year the ACPE prefaced their prophecies with this disclaimer:
"This is the word given through a compilation of the prophetic releases and consensus of the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders.  There are differing variables that can affect the timing and/or coming to pass of theses words:
All prophecy not contained in scripture is conditional.
The timing of when the prophecy comes to pass may occur over a longer period of time than one calendar year.  Some take many years to fulfill.
It is possible that prophetic warnings will cause either the person or nation to repent and so turn away the judgment prophesied.  Biblically, this happened when Jonah prophesied to Nineveh and the city repented, causing God to relent."
This gives a whole new definition of a prophet. There hasn't been a single failed prophecy given by any of the Elijah List or ACPE "prophets" that could be interpreted to have failed due to repentance as in Nineveh. And when they specify a time-frame to their prophecy and it does not come to pass, they have no right to say it can happen later. To say that all prophecy is conditional when no conditions were put on them is an insult to everyone's intelligence.

The true prophet Jeremiah told us what our attitude toward false prophets should be and we need to apply that to these "thousands of prophets" that have crept into our churches:

"Thus says the LORD of hosts: 'Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; They speak a vision of their own heart, Not from the mouth of the LORD.'" -Jer. 23:16

Rick Warren Teams Up with Swedenborg Cult Follower Dr. Oz

MADISON, Wis., Jan. 13, 2011 /Christian Newswire/ — On January 15, Rick Warren will kick-off a 52-week Daniel Plan to become healthier with Dr. Mehmet Oz, a follower of cult leader Emmanuel Swedenborg.

According to Warren’s website, his church will host a 52-week course to stress losing weight and becoming healthier. The kick-off event will include Dr. Mehmet Oz, Dr. Daniel Amen, and Dr. Mark Hyman. All three have Eastern spiritual connections.

Dr. Mehmert Oz is a follower of Emmanuel Swedenborg according to The New Church website. He has appeared on the Oprah Winfrey Show and is Professor of Cardiac Surgery at Columbia University.

He is inspired by Emmanuel Swedenborg, a cult leader who died in 1772 in Sweden. Swedenborgianism has up to 50,000 members worldwide according to the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry website. They deny the atonement, the trinity, and the deity of the Holy Spirit.

They believe all religions lead to God and that Christianity must go through a rebirth. Also, they do not believe in a personal devil. They believe the Bible is not inspired and that when people die, they become an angel or an evil spirit.

Emmanuel Swedenborg had a vision in 1745 where he supposedly saw creatures crawling on the walls. He believed God then appeared to him as a man and told him that he would be the person to promote the new teachings to the world.

The other two speakers are Dr. Daniel Amen and Dr. Mark Hyman. Dr. Amen teaches tantric sex, a Hindu mystical approach to sex. He teaches Eastern religion meditation and energy-based Reiki, a New Age practice. Dr. Mark Hyman promotes mystical meditation based on Buddhist principles.

Christian Investigator President Steve McConkey says, “It is troubling for a top pastor in the United States to promote false teachers. We are living at an all-time low spiritually in the United States with weak leaders. We need to teach basic Bible principles without legalism.”

Steve McConkey is the President/Founder of 4 WINDS which offers the news/apologetics site (CI). Also, CI produces articles that are distributed worldwide on important issues. CI is the first news/apologetics site offered by a sports ministry. Steve and his wife have been in world-class track and field ministries since 1981. 4 WINDS was started in 1988 and encourages athletes to grow in their Christian faith.

Zsa Zsa Gabor Touched by Televangelist Benny Hinn
13 Jan 2011
Zsa Zsa Gabor got a laying on of hands from Benny Hinn  before her surgery to remove a blood clot from her leg.    
TMZ has learned Hinn – best known for his TV show “This is Your Day” – flew in from London yesterday and plans to go with Zsa Zsa's hubby Prince Frederic von Anhalt to UCLA Medical Center later today.
As we previously reported, Prince gave the ok for the operation ... despite doctors saying it is “very risky.”
Sources tell us Benny plans to hold a prayer circle with Prince and Zsa Zsa that could last well into the night.

Once again the Hinn fails to deliver!!

Doctors amputate Zsa Zsa Gabor's right leg
 Doctors in Los Angeles say they have successfully amputated most of Zsa Zsa Gabor's right leg. They say Friday's surgery at the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center was successful and the 93-year-old "Moulin Rouge" and "Queen of Outer Space" star is recovering.
Gabor had an infection in her leg for several months and doctors tried using antibiotics to save the leg. She was hospitalized Jan. 2.
Publicist John Blanchette says the wound wouldn't heal, making the surgery necessary.
Gabor broke her hip and had replacement surgery in July, and has been hospitalized several times since for swelling in her legs and blood clots throughout her body.

Rick Warren hosts 'cult' celebrity docs
Features promoters of Eastern mysticism, universalism

Posted: January 15, 2011

When megachurch pastor Rick Warren decided he needed to take his health seriously, he responded in typically ambitious fashion, launching a year-long health program for his church, "The Daniel Plan," written with the help of three celebrity doctors who will appear at a kickoff seminar today.

But critics point out the physicians who crafted the program apparently don't share the church's professed evangelical beliefs, espousing instead various forms of Eastern mysticism and the tenets of a Christian cult, Swedenborgism.

Vowing to lose 90 pounds, Warren said he placed himself under the care of Drs. Mehmet Oz, Daniel Amen and Mark Hyman last fall and worked with each to develop "The Daniel Plan."

Oz, host of the Emmy-winning "Dr. Oz Show" and professor of surgery at Columbia University, says he is inspired by Emanuel Swedenborg, an 18th century cult founder who taught that all religions lead to God and denied orthodox Christian beliefs such at the atonement of Christ for sin, the trinity and the deity of the Holy Spirit.

Read more: Rick Warren hosts 'cult' celebrity docs

Rick Wiles, Trunews, and the devastation of America in 2010
muddied cup of prophecy
January 15, 2011

david posted this on this link.  Rick lies - he is a false profit - and I mean PROFIT, not prophet.


Dangers of the Rick Warren Daniel Plan

January 21, 2011   Ponderings From Patmos: Biblical Truth For Modern Day Exiles

Today on Patmos we will discuss my experience at the Saddleback Health and Fitness Seminar this past weekend.  I first arrived to Saddleback’s campus only to be told that “all parking lots were full.”  I drove across the street to see if there were any spots available in the business lots and they were full too.  I ended up parking in a housing tract and walked a mile or two back to Saddleback’s campus.  As I arrived, I overheard a parking lot attendant say they estimated about 6,000 people had come to the seminar.

I was a little late, so I was grateful to my nephew who went online and began to relay what was being said in the opening comments, as I didn’t want to miss what was to be the foundation of the talks that day.  I was a little taken aback when my nephew told me the first speaker, Dr. Amen, made reference to the Egyptian pyramids and how they were built upon an ”idea,” and if man could build something like that all those thousands of years ago, what could he do today if he put his mind to it?  I found that to be somewhat disturbing, as the pyramids, no matter how impressive they were, represent the ancient pagan religions which got their start in Babylon when Nimrod gathered men (the community) together to commit idolatry by building a tower to honor themselves as gods (Gen. Ch. 11). [1]  And yet here it was, the analogy that was chosen to illustrate this new “idea” Saddleback would launch their 52 week program with.  No matter what Dr. Amen’s intent was, I believe the analogy was appropriate, and the subtle message is telling…”MAN CAN DO ANYTHING HE PUTS HIS MIND TO.”  Sound familiar? (Read Gen. 3:4-5). [2]

As I began to head up the hill toward the main sanctuary, a Saddleback tram pulled up and the driver asked if I wanted a lift and I said I preferred to walk, but thanks.  The driver yelled, “Let’s all give her a hand folks, she’s started the Daniel Plan already!”  And the people on the tram cheered.  Nevermind the fact that I have been walking my entire life because I enjoy doing so, not because of some health and fitness campaign.  I sensed I was entering a nightmare.

The main sanctuary was full & it was standing room only.  They told me the overflow areas were full too.  So I found a spot on the patio outside the main sanctuary looking in.  I had a good view and could see the stage perfectly.  Their outdoor sound system made it so I could roam around, observe the audience, continue to listen to the guest speakers, and take notes.

To begin, I’d like to state that Saturday Jan. 15th, 2011 will go down in the history books as the day Saddleback Church was sold a bill of goods.  The masses had come out in droves for answers to their weight loss difficulties & health problems, but unbeknownst to them, they were being given a prescription for restructuring society & population control.

The prescription goes by the name Agenda 21, a.k.a. “Sustainable Development” or “Smart Growth.”  Agenda 21 is a published document put out by the United Nations with the intent to put limits on population and to restructure nation-states into a global society. [3] Rick Warren’s “new friends” had dubbed it, “The Daniel Plan – God’s Prescription For Your Health.”  A more appropriate title would’ve been, ”Sustainable Living - Destroying Inalienable Rights, One Community at a Time.”

By the time I settled into listening more intently, the second speaker, Mark Hyman, began.  It didn’t take too long to figure out what the basis of his message was.  We ”need to heal with community” (he termed this “accompaniment”), “we’re here for the sake of each other,” this plan “is our way out,” this plan “saved me,” and in fact will ”change the world.”   Saddleback was being told they were a “test community” to show the world how to live “healthy and sustainably.”  When I heard these words, my heart sank.  It was as I’d feared.  I knew which buzzwords to listen for, and he was hitting them all.  The audience was told they would be champions in health to show the world what “living sustainably” was all about, but Dr. Hyman is a leftist who is more than a champion in health, he’s a change agent for the global elite, as is Dr. Oz & Dr. Amen.  Dr. Hyman is the founder and medical director of the Ultra Wellness Center, he advises Dr. Oz’s healthcore group, and he’s a nominee to President Obama’s advisory group on prevention, health promotion, and integrative and public health. [4]  Hmmmmmm.  I smell an agenda.

Dr. Hyman practices what’s known as “functional medicine,” which means he uses a “whole systems” approach to medicine, in other words, he practices medicine ”wholistically.” This is also known as “Mind Body” medicine.  At Saddleback’s seminar, “mind body” or “functional” medicine was presented as if it’s completely scientific.  Any scientist worth his salt will tell you that yes, the body can be measured scientifically, but the mind falls into an entirely different category which can never be measured by science.  As stated by Dave Hunt in his book Occult Invasion – The Subtle Seduction of the World and Church, “Physical science, by very definition, can make no judgements concerning a nonphysical realm” as is the mind & the soul. [5] In other words, the mind and the soul are scientifically immeasurable.

It’s the same with the religions of ”Mind Science.”  Calling a religion “Mind Science” or “Scientology,” when there’s nothing scientific about it, is the same as calling a cereal “Grapenuts” when it contains no grapes or nuts.  But we live in an era when the masses have been sufficiently dumbed down and all it takes to impress is clever packaging and branding.  If “they” say it’s science, then dog-gone-it, it’s science!  After all, “these doctors are on television.”

As I sat through all 3 presentations by Dr.’s Hyman, Amen, & Oz, what came to mind were the traveling snake oil salesmen of the 1800′s.  They talk fast, so fast that the message that’s really being given, goes right over people’s heads.  They used tactics to tug at the heart strings such as videos of sick little girls who suddenly got well from being on “the program” and have been “set free” from relying on medications.  Then they flooded the audience with “facts” and “statistics” to scare any grandmother, such as “a tsunami of disease is hitting us,” “life expectancy is going down,” “1 out of 2 people are diabetic or pre-diabetic,” “70% of all agricultural land is taken up by growing animals to feed all the people,” “the bigger your body gets, the more your brain shrinks,” etc.

I about fell off my chair when Dr. Hyman stated, “The key to the success of the “Daniel Plan” is “group living”…”individuals” will not succeed, our only hope lies in “community.”  And with that, it was announced that the “Saddleback community” would be an example of “sustainable living” and would set the course to ”change this world”…and the crowd went wild!  I have to admit that visions of the masses being manipulated by Adolf Hitler’s oratory skills came to my mind, only this particular crowd had just been manipulated by a really bad infomercial.

Dr. Hyman said that he is a Jew, Dr. Amen is a Christian, and Dr. Oz is a Muslim.  And doesn’t that represent the demographic of “most of the population of the world?”  But then he said, “We’re all the same underneath.”  True to his snake oil salesman fashion, Dr. Hyman didn’t define his terms.  What in the world does he mean “we’re all the same underneath”?  That can mean a number of things.  Since he was speaking to a religious crowd, I’d venture to say some of the folks present took that to mean we’re all children of God (Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.), which is patently false according to the Bible.  The Bible says there are only two groups, children of wrath and children of God.  You’re either one or the other, a believer in Christ Jesus, or a non-believer. We aren’t “all the same underneath.” (Ephesians Ch. 2). [6]

The only way in which we’re “all the same underneath” is we’re all sinners in need of a savior, and the savior isn’t “sustainable living.”  The Savior is Jesus Christ and He is the only way unto salvation. (John 14:6). [7]  And to become a child of God, Jesus said, “You must be born again.” (John Ch. 3). [8]  The tragic thing about the talks given at Saddleback is, Jesus was never mentioned…and I mean NEVER.  There was a reference to Jesus in the opening worship song along with a few passing references to God by Rick Warren.  Daniel Amen mentioned that our bodies were ”a temple of the Holy Spirit and the brain is the innersanctum,” but in the lessons being taught that day, Jesus didn’t make the cut, “sustainable lifestyles” & “group living” did.

Following Dr. Hyman’s talk, my best friend arrived to observe the day with me, only to hear Dr. Amen mention in his presentation that he did a brain scan on one of his clients who had a habit of cheating on his wife.  The brain scan showed that there were “holes in the pre-frontal cortex of his brain” which controls the impulses.  In other words, this man wasn’t sinful, he was “mentally ill.”  All he needed was to get on the “Change Your Brain, Change Your Body” program, and his personal struggles with sin were remedied.  Once again, Jesus was removed from the equation.  My friend and I were dumbfounded when we listened to the Saddleback crowd cheer.  My best friend couldn’t contain it any longer and let out a, “You’ve got to be kidding me.”  My thoughts exactly!

Dr. Hyman recommended yoga and meditation to the crowd.  Dr. Amen gave a diplomatic denunciation of yoga (which is contradictory since he has recommended it himself), but about five sentences later mentioned a study done by a friend of his named Andy Newberg who did brain scans on Tibetan nuns and Franciscan priests while in “prayer and contemplation” and the study showed that “spiritual connection” is healthy.  Dr. Amen has been an advocate of ”Sa Ta Na Ma” meditation. [9]

If by chance any attendees of the Saddleback “Health and Fitness Seminar” read this blog post, I encourage you to educate yourself about what globalism truly is.  You also need to research Agenda 21.  As stated earlier, the purpose of Agenda 21 is to restructure society.  Sounds conspiratorial, I know.  But it isn’t a conspiracy, it’s a published document of the United Nations that’s in full swing.  Anywhere you hear the terms, “Sustainable Development,” “sustainable living,” “smart growth,” “going green,” etc., rest assured you’ve just been exposed to the U.N.’s Agenda 21. [10]

It shouldn’t surprise us that Pastor Rick Warren would allow a seminar of this nature at Saddleback, after all, he himself has “GONE GREEN.” [11]  He is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. [12]  This illustrates the natural progression of one being unequally yoked with non-believers & buying into heresies such as ”Kingdom Now,” “Dominionism,” or ”Restoration Theology.”  Where these heresies reign, as they do at Saddleback, you will find that the focus subtly shifts from salvation in Christ alone, through faith alone, to misguided efforts to restore mankind & the earth through “community” works, sustainable living, and social justice.  How convenient that these just happen to be the vehicles which the United Nations is using to further it’s own agenda to restructure society & unite the world under its governing body of global elites.

TRUE TRUTH:     2 Timothy 4:3-4
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”

(I found it to be slightly humorous that, on page 9 of the booklet which Saddleback passed out to attendees, the symptom of “itchy ears” was listed in the “Medical Symptom/Toxicity Questionnaire”…oh, the irony!)

1. Genesis 11:4 – “Then they said, ‘Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth.’”

2. Genesis 3:4-5 – “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman.  “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

3. Agenda 21 -

4. Mark Hyman’s presentation at “Authors @ Google” titled, The UltraMind Solution: Healthy Body, Powerful Mind.

5.  Occult Invasion – The Subtle Seduction of the World and the Church, Dave Hunt, Harvest House Publishers 1998, pg. 61

6. Ephesians Ch. 2:1-5 – “And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved).”

7. John 14:6 – Jesus saith unto him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

8. John 3:3 – Jesus answered and said unto him, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

9. Dr. Amen recommends “Sa Ta Na Ma” meditation a form of Kirtin Kriya yoga.

10. Agenda 21 – The U.N. Plan for Your Sustainable Community

11. A Greener Spirit: Evangelicals Embrace “Creation Care”

12. Council on Foreign Relations Membership Roster


Rick Warren, Dr. Oz, and the Dangers of the Daniel Plan
Date: January 27, 2011
Host: Ingrid Schlueter
Guest: Jennifer Pekich
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Jennifer Pekich is a writer, researcher and stay at home mother who has been married for 19 years. She describes herself as a born-again believer in Jesus Christ who is committed to protecting and defending the Christian faith. Greatly inspired by 1 Peter 3:15, her entering the “blogosphere” was born out of her family’s personal experience of leaving a church due to false teaching.

Ingrid opens this edition of Crosstalk describing what we’ve seen up until recently from Rick Warren and the Purpose Driven Movement. With the help of his Purpose Driven books, Warren has convinced many Christians to initiate radical changes to the church ranging from thematic preaching and rock music to a more corporate style of church leadership.

Warren’s latest project is a 52 week health and fitness program known as “The Daniel Plan”. But one must wonder what Pastor Warren is up to when in promoting the plan, he relies on individuals such as Daniel Amen, Mark Hyman and Mehmet Oz.

Why should these men cause “red flags” to come up for Christians? Jennifer attended the Daniel Plan kick-off gathering on January 15. From her notes she shares how from Kundalini Yoga to Transcendental Meditation, these men are steeped in Eastern mysticism and the occult. In addition, through it all, numerous U.N. buzz-phrases could be heard; phrases such as "sustainable living", :smart growth", "public-private partnerships" and more.

Are Rick Warren and his associates attempting to restructure the church and society by warming Christians up to a fanciful sounding global plan? Decide for yourself when you review this edition of Crosstalk.

Tony Blair and Rick Warren seek to unite faiths

Rick Warren is EVIL, a heretic, member of CFR

Purpose Driven Rick Warren

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Mathew 18:6

And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Luke 18

March 2010

Blair courts controversial US pastor Rick Warren in bid to unite faiths
Former prime minister builds network of Christian allies as he prepares to launch a religious 'offensive' in North America

Tony Blair is preparing to launch a "faith offensive" across the United States over the next year, after building up relationships with a network of influential religious leaders and faith organisations.

With Afghanistan and Iraq casting a shadow over his popularity at home in Britain, Blair's focus has increasingly shifted across the Atlantic, to where the nexus of faith and power is immutable and he is feted like a rock star.

According to the annual accounts of the Tony Blair Faith Foundation, a UK-based charity that promotes cohesion between the major faiths, the foundation is to develop a US arm that will pursue a host of faith-based projects. The accounts show that his foundation has an impressive – and, in at least one case, controversial – set of faith contacts. Sitting on some £4.5m in funds as of April last year, mostly gathered through donations, it is now well placed to make its voice heard.

The foundation's advisory council of religious leaders includes Rick Warren, powerful founder of the California-based Saddleback church. It attracts congregations of nearly 20,000 and is reportedly one of the largest in the US. Warren, who has addressed the UN and the World Economic Forum in Davos, has been named one of the "15 world leaders who matter most" and one of the "100 most influential people in the world".

His influence was confirmed in December 2008 when Barack Obama chose him to give the invocation at his presidential inauguration. But the decision angered many liberals, who see Warren as an opponent of gay rights and abortion on demand; a prominent alliance with Warren is likely to attract similar attacks on the former British prime minister.

Also on the council is David Coffey, president of the Baptist World Alliance (BWA), a Virginia-based network of churches that spans the globe and is particularly active in the US.

Another initiative has been to team up with the Belinda Stronach Foundation in Toronto. Unknown in the UK, Stronach, daughter of a Canadian billionaire, is hugely influential in Canada where as a philanthropist, businesswoman and former politician she has served in both the Conservative and Liberal parties. Attractive and barely into her 40s, media commentators have dubbed her "bubba's blonde", a reference to her friendship with Bill Clinton.

According to the accounts, Blair intends to open an office in Toronto to develop the relationship.
His desire for North America to be the focus of his faith-based operations was confirmed by the decision to hold his foundation's inaugural event in May 2008 in New York, for the "charity's key partners and religious stakeholders".

The accounts also shine a light on the close connections the foundation now enjoys with major political institutions in the US. "With the Washington-based Centre for Interfaith Action, the foundation supported a meeting of major international organisations active in faith-based approaches to combating malaria (plus the White House, World Bank, UN, World Health Organisation) to co-ordinate international efforts," the accounts state.

That Blair, a charismatic politician driven by faith, should be at home across the Atlantic is no surprise to political analysts. "He comes across as confident and persuasive," said Professor Shawn Bowler, of the University of California at Riverside. "He does not talk like a modern robo-candidate in the way so many US political figures do." Unlike in the UK, Blair's religious fervour is seen as a strength. "Blair is very open about his faith and that plays a lot better in the US than in Britain," Bowler said.

But the overtly religious dimension has drawn criticism. "The Tony Blair Faith Foundation is a fundamentally flawed concept," said Terry Sanderson, president of the National Secular Society. "If religion is constantly at the fore, then the old suspicions and hatreds will continue to fester."

Other North American faith-based initiatives endorsed by the foundation include the New York-based Global Nomads Group, which brings together young people through video conferences "to discuss the global issues that affect their lives", and the Faiths Act Fellowship, which selects "30 young leaders aged 18-25, drawn from the different faiths from the US, UK and Canada, to embark on a 10-month journey of interfaith service".

Blair's status is such that he is now called on to sprinkle stardust at religious gatherings, such as a speech he delivered at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington. Even his autobiography, The Journey, for which he was paid a £4.6m advance, appears to be aimed at the US market. "Tony Blair is an extremely popular figure in North America," said Sonny Mehta, his publisher. "His memoir is refreshing, both for its candour and vivid portrayal of political life."

So embedded is he that Blair regularly crops up in Washington society diaries. Last September, the former Republican vice-president, Dick Cheney, was dining in the same restaurant. Blair got top billing in the gossip columns.

Unite faiths?
Catholic, Islam, Witchcraft do NOT mix with Christian!!

I had heard Tony Blair converted from Catholic to Islam.
I have also heard Prince Charles has converted to Islam.
These cults are not really very far apart.

Catholic, Islam, Mormon, Freemason, Luciferian

House churches, Visions of the future

The coming Kingdom of Antichrist
the New World Order - is Black Magick Witchcraft

Its adherents have some very different ideas about this planet and its natural processes than do Born Again Christians.

First, occult adherents worship the creature Mother Earth, rather than the Creator Who made this planet of rock, water and gasses.
These occultists - including the Illuminati who rule the governments of the world - worship this planet, calling her either
Mother Nature or Mother Gaia.

They believe this planet is a living, breathing goddess with terrific power.
Second, occultists believe that our Industrial Civilization is anathema to
Mother Gaia, because it pollutes her water, her air and her ground

On the Georgia Guidestones are the 10 commandments of Gaia aka Satan.  One of these is

EUGENICS is one goal of Obama and his 'healthcare' control bill.

Most people do not realize that the religion behind the active environmental groups is an extreme worship of Gaia, her adherents believe that,
if this Industrial Civilization is not shut down in planned stages by man's efforts,
Mother Gaia is going to intervene in a dramatic, destructive manner to "cleanse" this civilization off the planet through great and mighty natural disasters.

This theme is the essence of Al Gore's book, Earth In The Balance.

The Illuminati, the most powerful of the Gaia group, have achieved scientific control of the weather and all of the natural disasters

Industrial Civilization is placing intolerable pressures on Mother Earth (Gaia)


Re-wilding of Florida continues as the state's largest insurance company refuses to continue homeowner's insurance!
Many people will begin to make plans to relocate elsewhere.

The time is coming when a global charismatic leader is going to declare that people must be forced to leave so 'Mother Gaia" can be protected.
The Re-wilding Plan foresees that most of Florida will be "cleansed" of human population.



Rick Warren and Glenn Beck
The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light.
But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other.
You cannot serve both God and Money.  Mathew 6:22-24    

July  23, 2010     Both Rick Warren and Glenn Beck have eye troubles, within days of each other.  I see God's hand here.
Both Glenn Beck and Rick Warren having blindness trouble is so interesting.
BOTH are wolves - both are traps - both are pied pipers to hell.  BOTH reports may be a HOAX!

I beg you not to be deceived by pretenders.
I see God's hand in operation - to show the Bride - if they will see.
I hate to see Obama called 'president' and I hate to see rick warren called 'pastor.'
I could stop right there, some would get it - some wouldnt.

A little girl had newborn kittens, and when asked what they were she said 'Demoncrats!'
A week later the person dropped by to see the 'demo-kittens' but the little girl said,
O NO! These are REPUBLICAN kittens! Their eyes are open now!

We are living in days when the Bride of Christ MUST WATCH and MUST keep their eyes OPEN, and pray for God's discernment.

U.N. Agenda 21  - depopulation - CODEX - It is EVIL!

Purpose Driven Rick Warren Calls Dissenting Christians “Fake”

Help grow my megachurch or leave!

July 2010
I was recently surprised to read that Rick Warren is calling other Christians fake and calling for phony Christians to leave his church.
He is targeting in particular those who fail to help his multimillion dollar Saddleback megachurch grow. Is the narrow way passé for the finger-pointing pastor?
A country preacher at a church I once attended used to say “when you point the finger of blame you have three fingers pointing right back at you.”

How about a pastor helping a Marxist get elected?
How about a pastor being unequally yoked with non-believers who deny Christ? Wouldn’t that be fake Christianity? Rick has been yoked with the Left and Islam for some time now despite Paul’s explicit command:

“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness?” (2 Cor. 6:14).

Rick seems to have his own personal definition of “Christianity” and it doesn’t look quite the same as the Apostle Paul’s.
So who’s a fake?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. Matthew 7:5

The “Christian” Left, hordes of sheep-like socialist heretics led by charismatic fanatics, almost completely took over Europe at various times in the 13th and 14th centuries. The last one of their line, Wilhelm Weitling, met and influenced Karl Marx. Charismatic leaders like Dolcino in Italy and Thomas Müntzer in Germany, condemned other Christians as fakes, preaching that all property must be held in common and strictly forbidding all private ownership of anything. They plundered, killed, maimed, destroyed and looted churches and waged war against all who stood in their way, conquering vast territories and forcing concessions from powerful princes and popes before finally being overthrown. They were convinced that they were right, based on a cursory knowledge of certain verses of the Bible, and that they were Christ’s avengers, based on nocturnal dreams.

Yet nowhere do we read that Jesus or the early Christians had urged Christ’s followers to force others to live by their rules.
Jesus flatly rejected the socialists of his day, in so many words telling them to get lost when they dunned Him to initiate a free lunch program.
The socialist heretics had their way in Europe sporadically for about 2 centuries, and then faded away. Their modern day counterparts will do likewise.
But not before causing untold hardship and leading hordes of foolish, gullible souls to perdition.


Tony Blair courts CFR agent Rick Warren

Blair courts controversial US pastor Rick Warren
in bid to unite faiths

14 March 2010

Former prime minister builds network of Christian allies as he prepares to launch a religious 'offensive' in North America
Tony Blair is preparing to launch a "faith offensive" across the United States over the next year, after building up relationships with a network of influential religious leaders and faith organisations.
With Afghanistan and Iraq casting a shadow over his popularity at home in Britain, Blair's focus has increasingly shifted across the Atlantic, to where the nexus of faith and power is immutable and he is feted like a rock star.

According to the annual accounts of the Tony Blair Faith Foundation, a UK-based charity that promotes cohesion between the major faiths, the foundation is to develop a US arm that will pursue a host of faith-based projects. The accounts show that his foundation has an impressive – and, in at least one case, controversial – set of faith contacts. Sitting on some £4.5m in funds as of April last year, mostly gathered through donations, it is now well placed to make its voice heard.

The foundation's advisory council of religious leaders includes Rick Warren, powerful founder of the California-based Saddleback church. It attracts congregations of nearly 20,000 and is reportedly one of the largest in the US. Warren, who has addressed the UN and the World Economic Forum in Davos, has been named one of the "15 world leaders who matter most" and one of the "100 most influential people in the world".

His influence was confirmed in December 2008 when Barack Obama chose him to give the invocation at his presidential inauguration. But the decision angered many liberals, who see Warren as an opponent of gay rights and abortion on demand; a prominent alliance with Warren is likely to attract similar attacks on the former British prime minister.

Also on the council is David Coffey, president of the Baptist World Alliance (BWA), a Virginia-based network of churches that spans the globe and is particularly active in the US.

Another initiative has been to team up with the Belinda Stronach Foundation in Toronto. Unknown in the UK, Stronach, daughter of a Canadian billionaire, is hugely influential in Canada where as a philanthropist, businesswoman and former politician she has served in both the Conservative and Liberal parties. Attractive and barely into her 40s, media commentators have dubbed her "bubba's blonde", a reference to her friendship with Bill Clinton.

According to the accounts, Blair intends to open an office in Toronto to develop the relationship.
His desire for North America to be the focus of his faith-based operations was confirmed by the decision to hold his foundation's inaugural event in May 2008 in New York, for the "charity's key partners and religious stakeholders".

The accounts also shine a light on the close connections the foundation now enjoys with major political institutions in the US. "With the Washington-based Centre for Interfaith Action, the foundation supported a meeting of major international organisations active in faith-based approaches to combating malaria (plus the White House, World Bank, UN, World Health Organisation) to co-ordinate international efforts," the accounts state.

That Blair, a charismatic politician driven by faith, should be at home across the Atlantic is no surprise to political analysts. "He comes across as confident and persuasive," said Professor Shawn Bowler, of the University of California at Riverside. "He does not talk like a modern robo-candidate in the way so many US political figures do." Unlike in the UK, Blair's religious fervour is seen as a strength. "Blair is very open about his faith and that plays a lot better in the US than in Britain," Bowler said.

But the overtly religious dimension has drawn criticism. "The Tony Blair Faith Foundation is a fundamentally flawed concept," said Terry Sanderson, president of the National Secular Society. "If religion is constantly at the fore, then the old suspicions and hatreds will continue to fester."

Other North American faith-based initiatives endorsed by the foundation include the New York-based Global Nomads Group, which brings together young people through video conferences "to discuss the global issues that affect their lives", and the Faiths Act Fellowship, which selects "30 young leaders aged 18-25, drawn from the different faiths from the US, UK and Canada, to embark on a 10-month journey of interfaith service".

Blair's status is such that he is now called on to sprinkle stardust at religious gatherings, such as a speech he delivered at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington. Even his autobiography, The Journey, for which he was paid a £4.6m advance, appears to be aimed at the US market. "Tony Blair is an extremely popular figure in North America," said Sonny Mehta, his publisher. "His memoir is refreshing, both for its candour and vivid portrayal of political life."

So embedded is he that Blair regularly crops up in Washington society diaries. Last September, the former Republican vice-president, Dick Cheney, was dining in the same restaurant. Blair got top billing in the gossip columns.


CJ wrote:
Unite faiths?
Catholic, Islam, Witchcraft do NOT mix with Christian!!

I had heard Tony Blair converted from Catholic to Islam.
I have also heard Prince Charles has converted to Islam.
These cults are not really very far apart.

Catholic, Islam, Mormon, Freemason, Luciferian

House churches, Visions of the future

The coming Kingdom of Antichrist
the New World Order - is Black Magick Witchcraft

Its adherents have some very different ideas about this planet and its natural processes than do Born Again Christians.

First, occult adherents worship the creature Mother Earth, rather than the Creator Who made this planet of rock, water and gasses.
These occultists - including the Illuminati who rule the governments of the world - worship this planet, calling her either
Mother Nature or Mother Gaia.

They believe this planet is a living, breathing goddess with terrific power.
Second, occultists believe that our Industrial Civilization is anathema to
Mother Gaia, because it pollutes her water, her air and her ground

On the Georgia Guidestones are the 10 commandments of Gaia aka Satan.  One of these is

EUGENICS is one goal of Obama and his 'healthcare' control bill.

Most people do not realize that the religion behind the active environmental groups is an extreme worship of Gaia, her adherents believe that,
if this Industrial Civilization is not shut down in planned stages by man's efforts,
Mother Gaia is going to intervene in a dramatic, destructive manner to "cleanse" this civilization off the planet through great and mighty natural disasters.

This theme is the essence of Al Gore's book, Earth In The Balance.

The Illuminati, the most powerful of the Gaia group, have achieved scientific control of the weather and all of the natural disasters

Industrial Civilization is placing intolerable pressures on Mother Earth (Gaia)


Re-wilding of Florida continues as the state's largest insurance company refuses to continue homeowner's insurance!
Many people will begin to make plans to relocate elsewhere.

The time is coming when a global charismatic leader is going to declare that people must be forced to leave so 'Mother Gaia" can be protected.
The Re-wilding Plan foresees that most of Florida will be "cleansed" of human population.


FYI - look at what's on the front page of the web site of a local univ here...
The words on this image read -

Studying the signaling mechanisms of plants >>
UNT faculty focus on groundbreaking plant research to feed the planet and save the earth. Evil or Very Mad

Pastor Chuck Smith Stuns Radio Listeners By Encouraging Woman to Have Abortion
February 11th, 2011
Posted by Ingrid Schlueter in Right to Life
Operation Rescue urges Calvary Chapel’s Pastor Smith to retract his advice and apologize to his listeners.
Pastor Chuck Smith, founder of Calvary Chapel, shocked listeners on Tuesday on his “Pastor’s Perspective” call-in radio program when he encouraged a tearful mother to abort conjoined twins.

The caller, who identified herself as “Nicki from Riverside”, indicated that her babies share a body but have two heads and that she was being pressured by her doctors to abort them due to their assessment that the babies would likely not survive the pregnancy or live beyond a day if carried to term. At no time did Nicki indicate how far advanced her pregnancy was or that her life was in danger from the pregnancy.

Choking back tears Nicki told Smith and his co-host Dan Stewart, “My heart does – never wants to have an abortion, but I don’t know what to do. I don’t know – I don’t know what direction to go to right now. I’m really praying hard and trying to believe that the Lord is going to do what He’s going to do with these two little ones, and I don’t know what to do.”

It is obvious to us, with our combined 45 years of experience working with abortion vulnerable women, that Nicki did not want an abortion but was seeking some spiritual affirmation and encouragement that would help her amidst the pressure from her secular doctors to take the lives of her innocent babies. She got none from Smith and Stewart, who told her that God would not condemn her if she chose abortion.

Oprah’s “favorite doctor” who is also on Rick Warren’s “Daniel Plan” team of doctors will lead mass hypnosis on TV
Published February 4th, 2011 by Marsha West in Mysticism, New Age, Occultism

Benny Hinn violated morality clause
18 Feb 2011
 A Lake Mary book publisher is suing televangelist and faith healer Benny Hinn, saying he violated a morality clause in their contract when he began an "inappropriate relationship" with another evangelist, and thus, must pay $250,000.

In August, Hinn admitted to a friendship with evangelist Paula White after The National Enquirer published photos of them in Rome, holding hands.
Hinn was married at the time. His wife, Suzanne, had filed for divorce a few months earlier.

Three years earlier, Hinn had signed a three-book deal with Strang Communications Co. of Lake Mary. He was paid a $300,000 advance on the first one, "Blood in the Sand," according to the suit.
Hinn acknowledged to his publisher "his inappropriate relationship" with White in August, according to the suit, and agreed that the publisher should get back its money, but he has yet to pay up.
Hinn's lawyer, Miles Archer Woodlief of Mill Valley, Calif., did not return a phone call Thursday.

In a letter attached to the suit, Strang also accused Hinn of violated the contract by failing to work hard enough to market "Blood in the Sand".
He failed to make television appearances to promote it, including several on "700 Club", wrote Strang attorney Chris Vlahos.
The suit was filed Tuesday in state circuit court.

Hinn lives in suburban Los Angeles. He moved there in 1999 after building a national audience at his faith-healing center, World Outreach Center on Forest City Road in Orlando, where he preached for 14 years.,0,7271069.story

Emanuel Swedenborg’s Occultic Beliefs Influence Rick Warren’s Health Advisor and Now the Christian Church


“You can become a Reiki master in three weekends.” –Lisa Oz, wife of Dr. Mehmet Oz

Perhaps it is not surprising Dr. Mehmet Oz, a key teacher in Rick Warren’s 52 week health-and-wellness Daniel Plan, has been influenced by occultist Emanuel Swedenborg. Although Swedenborg rejected the biblical Christ, and communed with familiar spirits, some of Swedenborg’s admirers have been culturally significant figures. At this point in his career, Dr. Mehmet Oz certainly qualifies as such.

Those who have either appreciated or followed Swedenborg’s theology have included Helen Keller, Johnny Appleseed, Sherlock Holmes creator Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Carl Jung, Henry James Sr., the poet Robert Frost, and Bill Wilson, co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous.

Swedenborg, who died in the 1700s, has been called the father of modern day spiritualism. It is likely Alcoholics Anonymous co-founder Bill Wilson’s bondage to the spirit world began with his introduction to Swedenborg’s teachings. Despite erroneous claims he was a Christian, Wilson’s spirituality was one of seances, familiar spirits, and the Ouija board. [1]

Just like Dr. Mehmet Oz, Bill Wilson was introduced to the teachings of Swedenborg through his own wife. Early in their romantic relationship, Bill Wilson “learned that [his future wife's family] were all Swedenborgians, and the mystic aspect of the faith so fascinated them they vowed to explore it more deeply one day.”[2]

In Pass It On (AA co-founder’s official biography), Bill Wilson states, “The Ouija board began moving in earnest. What followed was the fairly usual experience-it was a strange melange of Aristotle, St. Francis, diverse archangels with odd names, deceased friends–some in purgatory and others doing nicely, thank you! . . . Then, the seemingly virtuous entities would elbow them out with messages of comfort, information, advice—and sometimes just sheer nonsense.”[3] (Bold added.)

Swedenborg had power. This cannot be denied. It was stunning to learn Swedenborg had written of a spiritual “twelve steps” more than a century before Alcoholics Anonymous was birthed.[4] Did Wilson copy this term from Emanuel Swedenborg? I do not believe so. I believe that Wilson, having opened himself up to communication with unclean spirits, received his 12 Steps from the same source as had Swedenborg.

Emanuel Swedenborg experienced mystic dreams, trances, and meditation. He believed that he was visited by Christ, who informed him he was the human appointed to write the real meaning of the Bible. He believed he communicated with Moses, Luther, Mary, Aristotle, the apostle Paul, and many others.

Author Wilson Van Dusen notes, “Swedenborg used a fairly intense form [of meditation] in which he would focus on an idea of the exclusion of all else and his breathing would slow down. There have been whole books on the breathing aspect alone.”[5] Swedenborg, writes Van Dusen, “thought highly” of meditation.[6]

We are in a time when spiritual terms have been given confusing meanings; when words such as “Salvation,” are not necessarily presented as biblically intended. This is particularly true of the term, “meditation.” Rick Warren’s Daniel Plan, his association with Oz, Hyman, and Amen, may make comprehension of this even more murky.

The meditation used by Swedenborg and numerous New Age devotees, Buddhists, and Hindus, is not biblical meditation, which is essentially reading Scripture and “chewing” (reflecting and pondering) upon it. With biblical meditation, the brain is always active, and thinking.

But thinking is the enemy of the mystical meditator. As one mystic proponent put it:

Do not reflect on the meaning of the word; thinking and reflecting must cease, as all mystical writers insist. Simply “sound” the word silently, letting go of all feelings and thoughts. (Zen master, Willigis Jager, Contemplation, p. 31, cited in ATOD)

This is the Eastern meditation advocated by Rick Warren’s Daniel Planteam members Dr. Mehmet Oz, Dr. Mark Hyman, and Dr. Daniel Amen. This meditation, used by Swedenborg and others, involves stilling the mind, sometimes by focusing on a word or phrase to “the exclusion of all else,” as Van Dusen puts it. By repeating the word or phrase over and over, a state of altered consciousness is reached. This is known as the silence. Historically, around the world, much has been experienced in this meditative silence. Spirit guides. Oneness. False “christs.” “Kundalini effect” . . . and so forth.


This is also often portrayed in scientific terms, and portrayed as beneficial, but is an invitation to the spirit realm. As others have pointed out, when the mind is stilled and void, something else may well fill that void.

There is a battle going on—between those who hold to the Word of God and those who promote the mysticism inherent in these meditative techniques. Already the Body of Christ is infected with the “contemplative spirituality” of Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, Gary Thomas, Keri Wyatt Kent and so many others. Contemplative prayer is simply saying a “Christian-ized” word or phrase to still the mind and enter the silence. It is virtually the same as Eastern or New Age meditation, yet it has gained acceptance due to its “Christianese” disguise.

Occultist Alice Bailey, who was informed by her spirit guides, said that the New Age “illumination” would indeed come to the world through the Christian church, and she instructed her followers to leave the outer shell of Christianity intact for the time being and change it from the inside. Is this not what is happening today!  (Bailey, The Externalization of the Hierarchy, p. 510)

But now, it seems, we are “advancing” past the stage of disguising. Now, it seems, outright Eastern/New Age meditation is poised to enter the church. The realm of these spirits is the realm of deception that the Bible talks about. The Bible says that in the days before Christ’s return, the mystery of iniquity will prevail and deceive vast numbers. (See 2 Thessalonians 2:7 and Revelation 12:9.)

If all this is new to you, please take the time to research.

His people perish from lack of knowledge. (Hosea 4:6)

With Dr. Oz having been granted potential influence into the lives of thousands (potentially eventually millions) of Christians through Rick Warren’s Daniel Plan, it is important to consider Lisa Oz as well—because people who seek out Dr. Oz’s books will likely be exposed to his wife’s work also. The couple have worked together on projects and public appearances. Lisa Oz serves as the reader for many of Dr. Oz’s audio books.[7] And Dr. Oz does not hide his high estimation for his wife.

In her book, Lisa Oz acknowledges, “After my parents, the most influential [teacher] by far was and is Emanuel Swedenborg, an eighteenth century scientist and theologian who saw the Bible as a divinely inspired metaphor. … His writings on the nature of God, humanity, and marriage not only shaped my views but ultimately shaped who I am. For this reason you will find his doctrine, widely and wildly interpreted, as the foundation for just about every chapter in this book.”[8]

Lisa Oz is a Reiki master. This is an ancient system of occult energy, one that brings with it the risk of  familiar spirits. [9] Lisa Oz states, “You can become a Reiki master in three weekends.”[10] Many people were exposed to Reiki for the first time when Dr. Oz featured it on his popular television show. In an interview, Mrs. Oz shared that she has used Reiki on her own children.[11] The point here is not that Swedenborg used Reiki—he did not—but, rather, that Swedenborgian doctrine is often a precursor  that leads into New Age practices such as meditation and Reiki.

Of course, this makes sense, because Swedenborgianism itself can be defined as a New Age belief system. The New Age, after all, is really the Old Age, and familiar spirits for thousands of years have taken the openings offered through meditation. So it is with the increasingly popular Reiki.

In fact, consider this collective Reiki/meditative experience facilitated by Lisa Oz, which took place at a workshop she conducted along with her husband: “She followed with a couple of similar exercises, then finished with what for me was the day’s highlight: the hatsurei-ho meditation,[12] this time for hundreds. The energy in that cavernous room at the Javits Convention Center  shifted palpably as Mrs. Oz led the crowd through progressive relaxation, envisioning a golden light all around, drawing the light inside and then breathing it back out into the space around us, adding our own energy with each exhalation. There was no need to explain what Reiki was—everyone felt it, even without touch.”[13] (Bold added)

Lisa Oz then told the crowd, “Go in wellness, knowing you have brought light into the world.”[14]

What is going on with Rick Warren? Does he believe he can bring in Oz, Hyman, and Amen, and simply share only their medical teachings? Stick to the brain, Daniel Amen. Just talk about the heart, Mehmet Oz. Is that what Pastor Warren intends? Because even if these doctors don’t say anything about meditation, or Reiki, their resources are still available to all who have seen and heard them at Saddleback. Exposure to these practices therefore seems certain, all from authors highly praised by Rick Warren.

This decision to use these meditation gurus is no fluke. The list of Rick Warren’s ill-advised spiritual decisions is too long to believe that. It goes hand in hand with he and his wife’s public admiration for mystic advocate Henri Nouwen, his promotion of Gary Thomas who tells readers to repeat a word for 20 minutes in Sacred Pathways (p. 185) and who points readers to tantric sex advocate Mary Ann McPherson Oliver in Sacred Marriage, and who carries Adele Alberg Calhoun’s book, Handbook on Spiritual Disciplines in his Resource Center even though the book is riddled with New Age/panentheist references. It goes hand in hand with his own book, The Purpose Driven Life, where he tells over 30 million readers they can become “world-class Christian” if they practice “breath prayers” (Day 3Cool. It goes hand in hand with Rick Warren’s first book, The Purpose Driven Church, where he tells readers that Richard Foster’s spiritual formation movement is a “valid message” and a ”wake up call” to “the body of Christ” (pp. 126-127). And it goes hand in hand with Rick Warren’s connections with New Age sympathizers Leonard Sweet and Ken Blanchard. (paragraph notes)

No, Rick Warren’s decision to use Oz, Amen, and Hyman is no fluke. But it sure is a spiritual trap for the Christian church.

Christianity Today believes “your church needs a Dr. Oz”

Published February 17th, 2011 by Marsha West in General, Rick Warren
Christianity Today’s Her.meneutics blog  for women posted a piece entiled Why Your Church Needs a Dr. Oz.  Not surprisingly the writer, Laura Leonard, conveniently leaves out the fact that Rick Warren chose to team up with Dr. Oz for The Daniel Plan knowing full well that he is a Muslim and a New Ager and that he pals around with Oprah and Deepak Chopra.  So why in heaven’s name would a Christian church need a Dr. Oz?   What the Church needs is discerning Christians!

Thoughts on Russ Dizdar

I just registered here to add my 2 cents on Russ Dizdar, and more generally on false prophets. First, thanks for ringing the alarm CJ.

Here are my thoughts: The really dangerous false prophets are not New Age gurus speaking of their version of Jesus, but disinfo agents who appear Christian and claim to base their teachings on actual Scripture. Because they are masters of deception, they can pull together many diverse passages from the Bible and weave it into a comprehensive, internally consistent picture that does appear to resonate completely with reality, but which is usually a false doctrine that hinders the actual acceptance of Christ into one's heart. The really deceptive ones appear down to earth, making you feel like they're on your side.

Concerning Russ Dizdar, the first red flag is that he's selling a book. I have no problem with making money, even on Biblical topics, but when it has to do with doctrine and prophecy, it should be free. The truth should not, and I would even say cannot, be sold for profit. If this was the only problem I had with him, I would be more lenient. But here's the other thing: All this occult research, even if it masquerades as an exposure, cannot be good for the soul and psyche. What you focus on, you will get. And frankly, his ministry creates a general aura of intense fear, even if they outwardly proclaim that Jesus is the answer. They may say that, but if the atmosphere is negative, that will make you susceptible to the very spiritual forces they claim to expose.

Finally, I can't quite put my finger on it, but seriously... that webpage and the content has psyops written all over it. I mean, just spend 5 minutes on it, If his research on the "black awakening" is indeed accurate, and he is in earnest, then I have to conclude that he is himself an unwitting host in the system of deception. Somehow though, I think he's more aware. Proceed with caution.

What's the feeling here re Zeph Daniel?

sentinel, in Eze 22:25, it says there would be a conspiracy among the (false)prophets in the last days.

It's alot like this New Apostle Reformation group - it's not just the so-called "religious right" that's calling all the shots, the so-called "religious left" is also added into the mix, to the point where both the RR and RL are playing both sides of the fence, having an outward appearance that they're warring amongst each other while enticing the masses to take sides. But behind the scenes, they are on the SAME team(ie-you have Jim Wallis and his "social justice" gospel vs. let's say the so-called pro-life groups that go among this group).

I don't follow Russ Dizzdar, nor even went to his web site, and have no desire to, but yes, I have heard a bit about him, and he could very well be working for the enemy's side. And speaking of other subtle wolves, I'm starting to hear not-so-good things about Charles Stanley. I used to watch his sermons on tv for quite a while, and they were very solid. But recently, I found out he's endorsed contempletive prayer(which came out of the Eastern Religions/Roman Catholic Church) for years, and he's also part of this NAR group. Also, his sermons can be seen on that Lifetime Channel on Sundays. Seriously, Lifetime is a MAINSTREAM network(forget all its wickedness), it would cost ALOT of $$ to put your ministry stuff on those networks.

Ultimately, praise the Lord that we have our BIBLES and the Lord Jesus Christ to lean on!

BTW - welcome to the board! Smile

Thank you BornAgain, I only registered to add one comment but I may stick around Cool

As I see it, anytime someone in the so-called Christian community gains a certain level of prominence, they are compromised. I really don't think there's a way around it, even if their original intentions were good. The audience inadvertently begins to follow the doctrines of men, rather than Jesus. If they have a show, you can be sure they're working for the enemy. I think the exceptions, if there are any, are so few and far between that you can safely use this as a rule of thumb.

Also, I've noticed something quite amazing: whenever I read the Bible, I feel good. Whenever I listen to men giving speeches about the Bible, I get depressed. They may weave deceptions that are undetectable to the rational mind, but the spirit can sense their lies.

sentinel wrote:
Thank you BornAgain, I only registered to add one comment but I may stick around Cool

As I see it, anytime someone in the so-called Christian community gains a certain level of prominence, they are compromised. I really don't think there's a way around it, even if their original intentions were good. The audience inadvertently begins to follow the doctrines of men, rather than Jesus. If they have a show, you can be sure they're working for the enemy. I think the exceptions, if there are any, are so few and far between that you can safely use this as a rule of thumb.

Also, I've noticed something quite amazing: whenever I read the Bible, I feel good. Whenever I listen to men giving speeches about the Bible, I get depressed. They may weave deceptions that are undetectable to the rational mind, but the spirit can sense their lies.

The same can also be said about the so-called "alternative truth" media, with Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Mike Rivero, Ted Gunderson, just to name a few. Yes, infowars and prisonplanet sometimes has some good stuff you can gleam at, and have a good idea over what's going on, but as for listening to them on a daily basis...I wouldn't recommend it, b/c they end up talking up alot of fear. This is why I quit listening to Gerald Celente. Yes, he's been pretty accurate(as has Bob Chapman) over the state of the world economy of the many years, however, it's gotten to a point where they are just constantly babbling in vain.

Also to note about this "alternative truth" media - they talk and talk and talk over Zionism, the Jews, how the Jews supposedly own everything from the media on down, etc, etc. But they almost never, NEVER talk about the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church, NEVER. While I never thought William F. Cooper was a true born again, at least he pinned the tail on the donkey when he heavily called out the Knights of Malta and the Jesuits.(and we all know what happened to him)

Anyhow, ultimately, it makes you wonder if the Vatican is sending out alot of agents in every aspect of society to mislead everyone in all facets. Look at one of the leaders of the "9/11 truth movement", he's a ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP.

I know our warfare is spiritual(Eph 6:12), however, if the whole world finds out who the REAL enemy is(being the Vatican), it is all over for Rome(just speaking from a secular POV). This is why, IMHO, Rome is sending out agents all over the place to mislead the public. Look at FOX News, for example, and how many Roman Catholic employees they have(ie-Sean Hannity). Murdoch himself is an RC.

I would differentiate between the Vatican (Roman Empire) and the Catholic Church, and say that the latter is a front of the former, one of at least 3 fronts, the others being in the City of London and Washington DC. The overwhelming presence of Zionists in American media, finance, and military cannot be denied, however. Then of course there are the Freemasons (33rd degree, the others don't really count), which feature prominently throughout this system of control. Some say that Freemasons are in fact in control, having infiltrated the Vatican. Then there's the issue of the UN vs. Zionist Israel, which I'm still not fully understanding, because they appear at odds but maybe if you go high enough up the ladder you find them converging.

On the surface, you have some noticeable alliances that don't seem to make sense when combined, sort of like A > B, B > C, but C > A

In intelligence, there is a well-known CIA/MI6/Mossad network, which some attribute to the House of Rothschild (honestly, I'm on the fence on this one, I feel like the Rothschild theory is gaining too much popularity to be actually true but who knows)

On a more political level, you have what appears to be the UN and the Vatican on one side, and DC with London and Tel Aviv on the other.

You've also got Sovereign Grand Inspector Generals like Albert Pike allegedly stating that the Freemasons seek to destroy Zionism ultimately.

My theory, or rather one I would believe, is that in this pyramid of control there are genuine rivalries between factions on the same levels, and even intra-level, resulting in apparently contradictory alliances. I believe that the capstone can be called the Babylonian Brotherhood or Conspiracy, with two or three main branches that sometimes overlap. You have the Sun worshippers, you've got the Cabalists, and you've also got the Freemasons which seem to combine the two. Naturally, an intricate web of smoke and mirrors keeps this conspiracy shrouded in mystery but ultimately, details don't really matter, because what it comes down to is this: there is no truth outside the Word of God, so there's no point in trying to untangle the Beast system. It's much better to just stick to Christ.

Edit: Let me actually tie this up a little better. What I have come to realize is that we should not even attempt to unravel the workings of the system. It is impossible, literally. The point, IMO, is to realize that our desire to do so is a manifestation of our desire for deception. When we recognize that, and let go of our fascination with the mysteries of deception, that is the beginning of true freedom. The evil empire should be viewed as a black box, and detailed knowledge of its inner workings beyond casual curiosity is a road to destruction. And now I can take the opportunity to bring this convo back on topic (sorry for derailing). We were talking about wolves in sheep clothing, people like Alex Jones and all those other frauds. The real reason that they are of the system is that they don't tell you to stand outside of it (through faith in Jesus -- actually, I would go further, they should tell you to read the Bible for yourself, because many come in the name of Jesus but lead you astray). All they do is expand your awareness WITHIN this web of lies, but keeping you well within its clutches. Yeah you can have all the knowledge in the world about mind control and Orwellian tactics and eugenics and social engineering and chemical warfare and all that, but at the end of the day if you don't have Christ in you, you don't have anything.

Exactly! There are all the conspiracy theory-crowds. Some say, "No, it's JUST the Zionists", others say "No, it's JUST the Vatican", others say "No, it's JUST the United Nations", others say "No, it's JUST the Freemasons", others say "No, it's JUST the New Age movement".

OK, who's at the very top of all this? Obviously, Satan, who knows his time is very short and his fate is already sealed. He's merely working through all these men in all these groups. His ultimate goal is to take as many people to Hell with him.

Rev 12:7  And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8  And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11  And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

No, wasn't off-topic at all, as this should be added as well. If truely indeed there are many different groups, then should it come to as a surprise?

Mat 12:25  And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Mat 12:26  And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Happy Atheist day!!! Psalm 53:1

Also beware of Texe Marrs - this man has just gone WAY overboard with the Jews being the evil ones in this world. NOT ONCE has this man called out the Vatican or Jesuits...hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm............makes you wonder...

Like one of the previous posters here said, there are many groups in this Illuminati pyramid with Satan at the top(of course), and not just one(ie-it's not just the Vatican acting alone).

Marrs even went as far as saying the Columbine shooters was a result of a Jewish conspiracy b/c supposedly of all those Christians in that school.

Who knows - maybe he was good once(William F. Cooper recommended his works way back), then sold himself out later on.

A glimpse into the real Alex Jones...

Perry Noble Blames Homosexuality on Non-Tithing Christians
Pastors say the darnedest things; especially when trying to twist peoples arms to convince them they must fork over 10% of their income as the starting point to begin enjoying God's blessings.

Take Perry Noble, pastor of the fast-growing Newspring Church based in Anderson, SC.
As you'll see in the clip below from a sermon in March 2011 entitled "Greed" - which is a sermon about "greedy Christians" and how like a mob boss God knocks off greedy people - Perry declares the following:

"Maybe there would be less homosexuality in the world today if there were less greedy Christians who actually cared enough to tithe and spread the gospel."

If in Perry Noble's world there is a direct correlation between "greed" and the rate of "homosexuality" - then we have to lay the blame for homosexuality right at the doorstep of mega church pastors like Noble who despite raking in millions and millions in revenue, in their greed misuse scripture to guilt their congregations into forking over more and more of their income so they can enjoy God's blessings.

Mat 23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Mat 23:23  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Perry Noble's Church Opens Service With Katy Perry Song: So Is it Really Non-Tithers Who Promote the Gay Lifestyle, or NewSpring Church?
Two weeks ago, Perry Noble said that if there were fewer greedy, non-tithing, God-robbing Christians, there might be less homosexuality in the world.

"Maybe there would be less homosexuality in the world today if there were less greedy Christians who actually cared enough to tithe and spread the gospel." Perry Noble, April 17, 2011

But interestingly, we see this past Sunday, that the reverse might just be true: that the more money you give to NewSpring Church, the MORE promotion of homosexuality you might be involved in! It might actually be the tithers and Perry Noble at NewSpring, not the non-tithers, who are promoting homosexuality.

You see, this past Sunday Perry Noble's worship band opened the service by playing and singing the song "You're a Firework". Watch the NewSpring worship band here.

"You're a Firework" is a world-wide #1 hit pop song, performed by and co-written by pop sensation Katy Perry. The song is from her album "Teenage Dream", and the music video for the song features several young people who find courage within themselves to overcome their fears and anxieties. One of the young people in the video is a gay young man who musters the courage to approach another young man at a party and land a French kiss on him, as seen in the still shot below from the video. The sparks in the picture are from the "fireworks" bursting from within as he expresses himself as a gay man kissing another man. That is what the song is about in part.

So who is promoting homosexuality now? Is it the non-tithers? I think not - perhaps it is the tithers at NewSpring Church, because it is a reasonable assumption that Perry Noble's church did pay a licensing fee to Katy Perry and her co-writers for the use of her song. If true, then Perry Noble's NewSpring Church is taking money from Christians who were told they MUST give it to God (via NewSpring, Inc. of course) and NewSpring (on God's behalf, presumably) purposely gives it to an artist who has no problem promoting the gay lifestyle in her songs and videos. Watchdog readers might remember that Katy Perry rose to fame in 2008 with the song "I Kissed a Girl (and I Liked It)", about her fantasy of romantically kissing a pretty girl.

So while Perry Noble pontificates that greedy non-tithers are keeping him from reaching the gays with the gospel....his church is playing songs written by a pop artist who does not have a problem promoting the gay lifestyle.

I'm really not trying to make light of the hypocrisy of Perry Noble in really is a serious matter. Noble's church is filled with a very young crowd - that is why his worship band is playing rock and pop songs. We've raised teenagers for the past 8 years, and believe me all the teens at NewSpring know who Katy Perry is, and they know of her "I Kissed a Girl" song. Many of them have probably seen the "You're a Firework" video featuring the male kiss above. So for Perry Noble's worship leaders to be playing Katy Perry music is about as close to promoting the gay lifestyle as a church can get, whether they mean to or not.

But if you're a gullible mega church pew sitter, it is easy to convince you that the person who doesn't drop 10% in the plate is the one who is helping to promote a gay lifestyle, not those who might be paying licensing fees to artists who promote a gay lifestyle in their music and videos.

So let's do a remix on Perry's quote:

"Maybe there would be less homosexuality in the world if emergent churches would stop confusing their young Christians by playing in their worship services secular music written and performed by artists who promote the gay lifestyle." Watchdog, May 4, 2011

Lee Strobel, a “Supporter” of Son’s Heavily Contemplative Ministry

From the Lighthouse reports:

Lee Strobel is one of the most well-read Christian authors today. He is also one of the conference speaking teachers for Veritas Evangelical Seminary (co-founder Norm Geisler *see bottom of post), which is located on the Calvary Chapel Bible College grounds in California. Strobel is also a strong supporter of his son’s (Kyle Strobel) very contemplative ministry called Metamorpha. On the Metamorpha website, Lee Strobel islisted as a “supporter” of Metamorpha. Strobel’s public support of Metamorpha will bring much attention to Kyle’s ministry and in turn pointing many unsuspecting people toward contemplative spirituality. Certainly having his father listed as a “supporter” will give much credibility in the eyes of many Christians to Kyle Strobel’s work. Incidentally, also on the Metamorpha site, it lists InterVarsity Press as a “sponsor” of Metamorpha, and Biola’s Institute of Spiritual Formation is named as a “partner.”1 To give even more recognition to his son’s organization, Lee Strobel mentions Metamorpha, the book by his son, on his own website.   Continue reading

Brannon Howse: Aired May 9, 2011
Topic One: A Southern Baptist pastor in Arkansas has been named the “Most Excellent Grand High Priest” for 2011-2012. According to the mason website, Pastor Tiner has written that “I love the Royal Arch Masonry with all my heart…I pray that the Great Architect of the Universe will bless this year as we work together for the advancement of the Craft… Evil or Very Mad This year, I want us to be reminded of a promise we made in the Most Excellent Master’s Degree. The promise was that we would dispense true Masonic light and knowledge to our lesser informed brethren to the best of our ability…I hope we can dialogue about restoring Royal Arch Masonry to all the splendor it deserves.” Talk about a religious Trojan horse.

Topic Two: David Barton tells Jon Stewart he would have no problem with Sharia law in Dearborn, Michigan if that is what the majority want to practice. Twisted Evil  Barton compares that to a majority of Jews wanting to practice their religion. Jews do not want to kill other Jews or to slaughter Christians like those that follow Islam? Sharia law is a form of government that would destroy America and would not be in accord with the U.S. Constitution. Sharia law includes Jihad, abusing women, and treating non-Muslims as unequal. Hear the audio clip for yourself. Topic Three: 2 Timothy calls us to proclaim the gospel, defend the gospel, suffer for the gospel and rejoice in the gospel. Topic Four: We take your calls.

Download the MP3 in the above link.

Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., has a press release on its website stating they will show up and protest on Sunday, May 29

COMMENTARY | As Joplin, Mo., recovers from a devastating blow from an EF5 tornado, residents are beginning to pick up the pieces. Search and rescue efforts are gradually turning to recovery as emergency vehicles are leaving town and volunteers are finishing their work.

A memorial service is planned for Sunday, May 29, at 1 p.m., the same day President Obama is scheduled to visit the city. An unwelcome group may also be coming to Joplin this weekend.

Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., has a press release on its website stating they will show up and protest on Sunday. At the same time, a counter protest is also being organized on the Facebook page called "Counter Protest Westboro Coming to Joplin."

Yes, the same Westboro Baptist Church that has made national news for protesting military funerals is heading to Joplin. Topeka is about three hours away, an easy drive for anyone in the Phelps family.

However, logistics may limit the ability of the church to do anything in Joplin. The damaged areas are still under lockdown. Residents and property owners, as well as emergency workers, are the only ones allowed in the destruction zone. Westboro certainly won't get anywhere close to damaged areas. They won't get near shelters, as homeless and injured people need to rest and recover.

Obama will likely tour the damaged areas. Where he will meet with residents has yet to be determined, as is his arrival time. Hopefully Obama will speak at the memorial service at 1 p.m. to offer hope and inspiration. If he stays in the damaged area, Westboro won't even get close to the president.

The counter protest to parlay the church protesters so far states they will form up at 10:30 a.m. at North Park Mall. Over 6,600 people have "liked" the page on Facebook. Some people are coming from as far away as Illinois.
Joplin is a town badly hurting. If anyone comes all the way from out of town to counter Westboro's presence, I also urge them to volunteer a few hours at a shelter if they are able to help out. It shows WBC the true meaning of being a member of a spiritual community by spreading love and compassion instead of hate and vitriol.

Westboro has no business being in Joplin. If it is like any other threatened protest: All Phelps and his followers want is to get extra attention by even releasing information about their protest schedule.
William Browning is a research librarian specializing in U.S. politics. Born in St. Louis, Browning is active in local politics and served as a campaign volunteer for President Barack Obama and Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill.
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Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
1 Corinthians 5:6

5/22/11   Today Evangelicalism Is Full Of Leaven
The leading online apologetics and discernment work Apprising Ministries has pointed out that a part of our labor in the Lord is the documenting of the painfully obvious New Downgrade within mainstream evangelicalism; obvious at least for those blessed by God with eyes that see.

I’ve also told you before that the root of growing apostasy roughly begins with the charismatic revival circa 1960 as it later spreads through the Jesus People/Movement in the early 1970′s and out into various mainline denominations as well as into what became the Fuller Theological Seminary School of World Mission.[1] You need to realize that this is the spiritual cesspool from which the new liberalism of the seeker-friendly/sinner-sensitive methodology of letting culture define the church visible would spring.

As Dr. John MacArthur has said:

I’ve said this many times: I can listen to a guy preach—put anybody in front of me—and I’ll tell you what his view of Scripture is by what he says.  If he doesn’t preach out of the Bible, I know what his view of Scripture is, I don’t care what he says.  I don’t care if he wants to die telling me he’s a believer in inerrancy, if he gets up and does not preach the Word of God, that’s his view of Scripture leaking all over the place.  Look, every preacher preaches for impact, for effect, for result.  You’re up there saying what you think is going to get you the best result.

If you think it’s foolishness and fun n’ games and song n’ dance and sermonettes for Christianettes—if you think it’s that kind of stuff—that’s what you’re going to do; … It comes down to this loss of preaching.  And I’ll tell you, how do you know it’s the new liberalism?  Because you can’t stop a seeker-friendly movement, because it’s going to be redefined, it’s going to be redefined, it’s going to be redefined…

You know, Schuller is the architect of this.  Robert Schuller is the absolute father.  The grandfather of the movement, who was a little bit below the radar, was Norman Vincent Peale.  Norman Vincent Peale is a classic liberal.  The primary impact that Norman Vincent Peale has had on the world is through his leading disciple, Robert Schuller, who said to me, “I can sign the confession of my denomination and makes the words mean anything I want them to mean.”  Well, that’s classic neo-orthodoxy—or liberalism (whichever).

So, you’ve got Norman Vincent Peale, who creates this kind of liberal, social gospel; his number one disciple, positive-thinker Robert Schuller; Robert Schuller develops this concept of the church many years ago, where he goes into Orange County and he goes door-to-door, passes out cards, and tells people to write down what they want a church to be, and then he gives them what they ask for.  He said in a speech at N.R.B. many years ago, “If you want to know how to build a church, ask the community, and give them what they want.”  His most famous disciple trained into that model is Bill Hybels, and the second is Rick Warren.  Rick Warren says, himself, that when he left seminary, he drove right to the Crystal Cathedral and was mentored there.

So, there’s a flow going on here.  And where is it going?  It’s going toward the Emerging Church.  That’s why you can have all those people—Rick Warren and Brian McLaren—way out on the edge of the Emergent Church, you can have all those people at the same conference in San Diego all speaking, and, in between, sessions on Yoga.  If you just look at the roots of something—and look where it’s going: if you let the culture define the church, there’s no way to catch up.

So, now you go to Schuller’s church, you wouldn’t find anybody whose hair wasn’t gray, because they had their little niche for that little cultural group, and they go to the grave with them.  And the same is going to happen with the others and the others and the others…  It’s not transcendent.  It’s not trans-cultural.  It’s not even beyond their tiny little chronological zone.  And that’s the problem with it, because if it’s culturally defined, it is its own worst enemy; it’s planned obsolescence.[2]

There’s the rotten root; and as this was spreading its spiritual poison into the bloodline of the church visible for decades, by 2005 mainstream evangelicalism would finally become so spiritually spineless that it began to embrace the warped and toxic teachings of EC leaders e.g. like the Emerging Church rock star pastor Rob Bell. As I’ve brought to your attention before, sadly, in the very heart of the visible church we’ve seen this spiritual cancer metastasize throughout its body spreading the awful influence of sinfully ecumenical neo-liberal cult of the Emergent Church aka the Emerging Church until it’s now mortally wounded and coming under God’s judgment (cf. 1 Peter 4:17).

Keep in mind that the EC has now been upgraded to the Emerging Church 2.0—with its newer, more clearly delineated, postmodern Progressive Christian theology, which these rebels against the final authority of the Word of God will often refer to under their circus “big tent” as Emergence Christianity. So you should know by now that the first line of attack upon the heart of the church visible by such as these who will not adhere to God’s authoritative Word in the Bible was to batter down sola Scriptura, the key pillar of proper Christian spirituality. It’s also beyond question that Rob Bell was on the front lines of this heresy.

From the Southern Baptist flagship Saddleback Church, captained by Purpose Driven Pope Rick Warren, I will now enter into evidence the following from its own website. As I see it this evidence from primary sources goes a long way toward proving beyond a reasonable doubt that what John MacArthur just said above is true, despite what Dr. John Piper may try and have us believe. Consider the following from Kay Warren concerning the definite influence of Robert Schuller upon her husband Rick Warren from the Christianity Astray article A Regular Purpose-Driven Guy:

During his last year in seminary, he and Kay drove west to visit Robert Schuller’s Institute for Church Growth. “We had a very stony ride out to the conference,” she says, because such nontraditional ministry scared her to death. Schuller, though, won them over.

“He had a profound influence on Rick,” Kay says. “We were captivated by his positive appeal to nonbelievers. I never looked back.” (Online source, emphasis mine)

Now we see “flow going on here” at Saddleback Church, one of the most influential congregations in the Southern Baptist Convention, to “the Emerging Church” in the person of Rob Bell. As a matter of fact, two years ago in Saddleback Church Pastors Using Rob Bell Teachings I told you they’d already made that fateful decision. Not really all that surprising considering this August 2009 tweet from Rick Warren to Rob Bell:

@RickWarren: “thenoomaguy Hey Rob, Just wanted to encourage you to ignore critics. If you werent impacting & making a difference, theyd ignore you. rick”[3]

Why Would A Pastor Want To Turn His Flock Toward Those Who Preach A Different Gospel?
However, now it grows even more blatant; under Women’s Home Small Group Resources at Saddleback Bell’s Nooma DVDs are recommended:

As far as the mythology of Rob Bell (cf. 2 Timothy 4:3-4) in these Nooma DVDs I point you to the following by Greg Gilbert, who is “director of research for the president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and an elder at Third Avenue Baptist Church in Louisville, Kentucky.” Gilbert is also author of the concise, but very helpful, book What Is The Gospel?, which I have, and am pleased to recommend. This section below as it concerns the “‘moralism,’” or even ‘Pelagianism’” of Rob Bell comes from the first part of Gilbert’s series The Scoop’a on NOOMA in the ejournal of 9 Marks:


I have said in several places on this site that there is much about the Emergent theological storyline that I find compelling. Who wouldn’t be excited by the idea of God’s people—broken, sinful people accepted by him just as they are—living and working to diffuse God’s grace and love throughout the whole of society? So far as it goes, that’s a great and biblical vision, and there’s a reason it resonates with people. But, in my opinion, where the Emergent church and these videos go wrong is in telling the world that that . . . is . . . the gospel.

It’s not. Good as that storyline might be, it is finally too small and too colorless. For God to lovingly accept us as we are no matter how ashamed we might be of ourselves is nice and all, but it’s a pretty pale gray compared to the Bible’s story of a just and loving God sending his Son to take the punishment of a rebellious people so they can live with and for him forever.

If you want to engage a “new generation” looking for authenticity, honest answers, and a willingness to look unflinchingly at human sin and suffering, that’s the gospel that will do it. Unfortunately, that’s also the gospel that these NOOMA videos, at least so far, seem unwilling to talk about. (Online source)

Really; you mean Saddleback and Rick Warren don’t have any problems exposing their women to these DVDs by Bell when:

the gospel presented in NOOMA misleads lost people about their relationship with God. The Bible could not be clearer that the consequence of sin and rebellion against God is that we are separated from him, our relationship with him is severed, and we are brought under his judgment and condemnation. “Your sins have made a separation between you and your God,” Isaiah says (Is. 59:2). And Paul writes in Romans 1 that the wrath of God is revealed against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men.

These facts—that sin separates human beings from God, and that God judges sin—constitute one of the most important themes in the entire Bible. It explains why everything else was necessary—the sacrifices, the priests, the prophets, and especially Jesus’ death on the cross. It’s why Jesus cried out, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matt. 27:46). He was separated from God so that his redeemed people would not be.

Bell doesn’t say any of that in the NOOMA videos. In fact, he seems to tell lost people exactly the opposite—that they are already in relationship with God and even forgiven of sin, and that the only problem is that they just don’t realize it. (Online source)

Well, now we know that this is exactly what Rob Bell has been teaching all along since he came clean in his latest book Love Wins. Look carefully at the following by Kevin DeYoung from his God Is Still Holy and What You Learned in Sunday School Is Still True: A Review of “Love Wins” where he shares:

I really must say something about the two most grievous errors in the book: Bell’s view of the cross and his view of God. According to Bell, salvation is realizing you’re already saved. We are all forgiven. We are all loved, equally and fully by God who has made peace with everyone. That work is done. Now we are invited to believe that story and live in it (172–73).

Bell is not saying what you think he might be saying. He’s not suggesting faith is the instrumental cause used by the Spirit to join us to Christ so we can share in all his benefits. That would be evangelical theology. Bell is saying God has already forgiven us whether we ask for it or not, whether we repent and believe or not, whether we are born again or not. “Forgiveness is unilateral. God isn’t waiting for us to get it together, to clean up, shape up, get up—God  has already done it” (189)…

Bell categorically rejects any notion of penal substitution. It simply does not work in his system or with his view of God. “Let’s be very clear, then,” Bell states, “we do not need to be rescued from God. God is the one who rescues us from death, sin, and destruction. God is the rescuer” (182). I see no place in Bell’s theology for Christ the curse-bearer (Gal. 3:13), or Christ wounded for our transgressions and crushed by God for our iniquities (Isa. 53:5, 10), no place for the Son of Man who gave his life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45), no place for the Savior who was made sin for us (2 Cor. 5:21), no place for the sorrowful suffering Servant who drank the bitter cup of God’s wrath for our sake (Mark 14:36). (Online source)

Or how about the below from Bell’s Inferno by John MacArthur where he informs us that:

Bell’s notion of sin seems to be that its main evil consists in the hurt it causes to the sinner rather than the offense it causes to a righteous and almighty God. His concept of “justice” makes the punishment of sin wholly optional. His idea of mercy falsely holds forth a false promise of automatic leniency and a second chance after death to people already inclined to take divine clemency for granted anyway.

Rob Bell’s god is clearly no one to be feared. That all stands in direct and deliberate contradiction to everything Jesus ever taught about sin, righteousness, and judgment.

By thus pitting his own ideas against Jesus’ message, Bell makes it inescapably clear that he “advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ” (cf. 1 Timothy 6:3). He is wrong—seriously wrong—heretically wrong—to question the justice of God and to hold out false hope to unbelievers. He is, as we have seen from the start of this series, a textbook example of the false teacher who secretly introduces destructive heresies (2 Peter 2:1).

That must be said plainly and emphatically. (Online source)

Yet despite all of the above Rick Warren and his mega Saddleback Church still hand over their young and vulnerable sheep to this false prophet. In the Young Adult section of Saddleback’s website we find highly recommended:

In closing this, for now, remember how I told you that Rob Bell was on the front lines of the Emerging Church attack upon the final authority of the Word of God; read it for yourself from the very book recommended so highly by Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church above:

I was in an intense meeting with our church leaders in which we were discussing several passages in the Bible. One of the leaders was sharing her journey in trying to understand what the Bible teaches about the issue at hand and she said something like this: “I’ve spent a great deal of time recently studying this issue. I’ve read what the people on the one side of the issue say, and I’ve read what the people on the other side say. I’ve read the scholars and the theologians and all sorts of others on this subject. But then, in the end, I decided to get back to the Bible and just take it for what it really says.”

Now please understand that this way of thinking is prevalent in a lot of Christian churches,…but this view of the Bible is warped and toxic, to say the least… The assumption is that there is a way to read the Bible that is agenda—and perspective—free…This perspective is claiming that a person can simply read the Bible and do what it says—unaffected by any outside influences… When you hear people say they are just going to tell you what the Bible means, it is not true. They are telling you what they think it means…[4]

This is part of the problem with continually insisting that one of the absolutes of the Christian faith must be a belief that “Scripture alone” is our guide. It sounds nice but it is not true… When people say that all we need is the Bible, it is simply not true.[5]

Such is the sad and deplorable state of much of the mainstream of evangelicalism. So to show you the difference, I now leave you with the words of a man actually sent by God. This is J.C. Ryle from his Standing On The Rock:

On one point of vast importance in the present day, the reader will see that I hold very decided opinions. That point is inspiration. I feel no hesitation in avowing that I believe in the plenary inspiration of every word of the original text of Holy Scripture. I hold not only that the Bible contains the Word of God, but that every jot of it was written, or brought together, by Divine inspiration, and is the Word of God…

I am content to remember that all inspiration is a miraculous operation of the Holy Ghost, and, like every operation of the Holy Ghost, must needs be mysterious. It is an operation of which not forty men in the world have been made the subjects, and the manner of which not one of the forty has described. It stands to reason that the whole question of inspiration, like everything else supernatural, must necessarily contain much that is mysterious, and much that we cannot explain.

- But the difficulties of the “plenary verbal” theory appear to me mere trifles, compared with those which surround the counter theory of “partial inspiration”… Give me the plenary, verbal theory of biblical inspiration with all its difficulties, rather than the doubt. I accept the difficulties and humbly wait for their solution. But while I wait, I am standing on a rock… (Online source)

What else would you expect of hellbound heretic Rick Warren?
Heretics support each other and they will ALL burn in hell!

Meet Joel Hunter


Is Obama's GOP prayer partner
a Dem wolf in sheep's clothing?
Look what evangelical pastor says
about 'global warming,' abortion

He teaches that the Bible mandates Christians combat so-called global warming and even helped to make a tool kit to aid pastors in preaching about "climate change."

He resigned from the Christian Coalition after the group wouldn't broaden its agenda to include "social justice" and fighting "global warming."

He works with a left-wing think tank seeking a common-ground "third way" between progressives and evangelicals on issues such as abortion and stem cell research.

Meet Joel Hunter, a member of President Obama’s faith council.

Hunter is the senior pastor of Northland, A Church Distributed, a congregation of 15,000 that worships at four sites in Central Florida and at more than 1,000 sites worldwide via interactive webcast, iPhone, and Facebook.

In February 2009, Hunter was appointed to the inaugural board of the White House Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, which is purposed to advise Obama on substantive policy issues.

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Perhaps more than other faith council members, Hunter is most identified as praying with Obama. Although he says he is a Republican, Hunter delivered the closing benediction on the final day of the 2008 Democratic National Convention.

He has been close to Obama, praying with him on the day of the 2008 presidential election and offering a blessing for President-elect Obama at the Pre-Inaugural Worship Service at St. John's Church on Jan. 22, 2009.

Hunter's strong stand against "global warming" and leadership role in dialogue with progressive groups has prompted some in the evangelical community to label him a turncoat.

"Pastor Hunter is not looked upon that fondly by some religious conservatives because of his association with Obama," wrote David Brody of CBN in a 2009 piece on the pastor.

"In their view, it is Joel Hunter who gives Obama 'cover' so the administration can say how they are bringing conservative evangelicals into the conversation."

In 2006, Hunter was named president-elect of the Christian Coalition of America, but he immediately stepped down, saying the group resisted his efforts to broaden its agenda to include "social justice" as well as fighting "global warming."

Hunter has emerged among evangelicals as a pivotal advocate for cutting greenhouse gas emissions. He regularly preaches about climate change and has met with lawmakers on Capitol Hill to talk about environmental issues.

In 2007, Hunter was among more than two dozen scientific and evangelical leaders who met secretly at a retreat in Thomasville, Ga., to draft a joint statement calling for immediate action on so-called climate change.

A month and a half later, Hunter's group released a statement saying both the religious and scientific camps "share a moral passion and sense of vocation to save the imperiled living world before our damages to it remake it as another kind of planet."

After that meeting, Hunter worked with a group, Conservation International, to draft a tool kit titled "Creation Care: An Introduction for Busy Pastors" to send to evangelical leaders.

They produced a package of Bible passages and information on scientific findings to promote action on "climate change."

Hunter is a signatory to "The Great Warming," a "call to action" claiming world scientists are in agreement that global warming is "real, and we are largely responsible."

Hunter's name is followed by that of John Podesta, who was co-chairman of Obama's 2008 White House transition team.

Podesta is chairman of the Center for American Progress, which is known for its heavy influence on the crafting of White House policy. The center is funded by philanthropist George Soros
.  Evil or Very Mad

Abortion, stem cell research

Hunter has led multiple efforts at changing the evangelical base through dialogue with progressive groups.

He is part of a group of evangelicals and progressives who organize under the auspices of the left-leaning "Third Way" organization. There, he helped draft a new position paper, "Come Let Us Reason Together: A Fresh Look at Shared Cultural Values Between Progressives and Evangelicals," that calls for common ground on abortion, same sex marriage, and stem cell research, among other social issues.

"Third Way" is an ideology first promoted as an alternative to free markets by Mikhail Gorbachev after the collapse of the Soviet Empire. The "Third Way" of governing would be neither capitalist nor communist, but something in between.

In his 1998 State of the Union Address, President Clinton outlined the "Third Way": "We have moved past the sterile debate between those who say government is the enemy and those who say government is the answer. My fellow Americans, we have found a Third Way."

This "Third Way" calls for business and government to join hands as "partners."

Discover the Networks notes, "In short, Big Business would own the economy (as under capitalism), while Big Government would run it (as under socialism). Corporations would be persuaded to comply with government directives through subsidies, tax breaks, customized legislation, and other special privileges."

Soros has been a major proponent of "Third Way" economic policy.

In a Newsweek interview about the "Third Way" initiative to find a common ground between evangelicals and progressives, Hunter stated, "I'm pro-life, I'm against the redefinition of marriage, and I'm against ****ography and gambling."

He said he joined the "Third Way" group because "there is emerging, out of the evangelical movement, a desire to make progress, even if we don't get it 100 percent our way."

Besides reaching out to progressives, Hunter has led multiple initiatives on U.S.-Islamic outreach.

He was a delegate to the recent U.S.-Islamic World Forum held in Doha, Qatar, seeking to build a dialogue between Muslim and Christian communities

He has spoken at numerous interfaith forums, including a 2009 Georgetown University panel, "A Common Word: Religious Pluralism in the 21st Century."

He appeared there alongside Ingrid Mattson, president of the Islamic Society of North America. The ISNA is an unindicted co-conspirator in a scheme to raise money for Hamas, and has been listed by the Muslim Brotherhood as one of its "like-minded" organizations.

He was part of a roundtable last year at the State Department-hosted U.S. Summit and Global Initiative for Citizen Diplomacy. Alongside him at the roundtable was ISNA leader Mohamed Magid.

Hunter authored multiple books, including "Right Wing, Wrong Bird: Why the Tactics of the Religious Right Won't Fly With Most Conservative Christians," and "A New Kind of Conservative."

Here's another one - Eric Jon Phelps. Yes, he strongly calls out the Vatican as the whore of Babylon, and seems to be well researched et al in this area(and also a defender of the King James Bible). HOWEVER...he has some serious errors when discussing certain issues. For example, he's pretty adament how the North in the US Civil War was the Pope's Army. NOT TRUE at all - It was the SOUTH that was the Pope's Army.

In almost every source(books, etc), they all pretty much say the Pope was in control of the South, but somehow Phelps seems to be the only one who insists it was the North. Phelps is also a racists(implying how blacks are an inferior race, and we shouldn't witness to them). I guess he forgot about John 4, where Jesus showed mercy and compassion to that poor Samaritan woman who called out his name.

And here's where more of these wolves gets a bit subtle - is anyone here familiar with Thomas DiLorenzo, an economics professor at Loyola(Jesuit univ)? Or how about Pastor John Weaver in Georgia, who's preachings are on Sermon, and has been outspoken on the corporate 501c3 church bondage?

OK, here goes - DiLorenzo supports the Austrian school of economics, which Nazi Germany tried to implement(no surprise, as he teaches at a Jesuit-runned school). Weaver, despite being a conservative bible believing preacher for many years, yoked up with DiLorenzo at a Southern Heritage conference a couple of years ago, pretty much DEFENDING the South and showing their pride about its roots during the US Civil War.

Yah, what is a fundamental bible believing preacher who's warned about the 501c3 corporate whore in America yoking up with a Jesuit-trained guy who supports agendas bringing in the New World Order? Why is Weaver giving his support to something that was lead by the Vatican to begin with? Also, while Weaver won't directly admit it, he's also a Preterist(I asked him in an email last year, and while he didn't tell me directly, he pretty much told me to read a Gary DeMar book, and how the futuristic 7 year view is nothing but a Johney-Come-Lately escatology. He also thinks the great tribulation has already been fulfilled).

For the most part, alot of these wolves get alot of MSM and airwave attention. Weaver, Phelps, and I think DiLorenzo really do not(although Weaver's DVDs have been advertised on certain radio programs).

More on Pastor John Weaver

North Georgia Lee-Jackson Banquet featuring Professor Thomas DiLorenzo and Pastor John Weaver

More on Thomas DiLorenzo

The lowdown dirty truth about Tex Marrs, Jeff Rense, Henry Makow, David Icke, and the Protocols of Zion propaganda.

In these days and times we're living in - expect to see Caesar calling in his chips pretty soon.

For over 50 years, the IRS has allowed these 501c3 churches to write off their offerings on their Schedule A's, but in exchange for giving up their 1st ammendment rights. Ultimately, these churches got hoodwinked.

There's this one pastor I follow(has done alot of fascinating watchmen videos) that recently preached an "unlimited submission to the government b/c Romans 13 says so". If anything, not only he completely contradicted himself in this sermon from his watchmen videos(going from Obama is evil to now Obama was ordained of God to bear the sword against evil), but it looks like he may have caved into the IRS for fear of losing his entire ministry.

Expect to see more of this in the coming who knows how near - but look up, as our redemption draweth nigh! Very Happy

"Christian" Rock Artist Michael W. Smith apparently is an occult member. On his album cover CD's, he shows letters in those Ruhe(sp) symbols, which Hitler and Nazi Germany used.

Agnus Dei
Michael W. Smith

Alleluia, Alleluia
For the lord God Almighty reigns
Alleluia, Alleluia
For the Lord God Almighty reigns

Holy, Holy are you Lord God Almighty
Worthy is the lamb
Worthy is the lamb
You are Holy, Holy are you Lord God Almighty
Worthy is the lamb
Worthy is the lamb

Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Christ is Lord.



While I make no claim to know when the Lord Jesus will return, I will say that it’s entirely possible we are living in a time where we are seeing the beginning of a great falling away.

And so a large part of our online apologetics and discernment labors Apprising Ministries is to document the New Downgrade within evangelicalism, which accelerated when its own mainstream made the fateful decision to more fully embrace the sinfully ecumenical Emergent Church aka the Emerging Church.

I’ve told you before that the EC has proven to be a Trojan Horse where Satan was able to off-load his ne0-Gnostic mystic corruption Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism(CSM) right within the very heart of the church visible. It’s beyond question that this spurious CSM—the refried Roman Catholic mysticism “discovered” by Living Spiritual Teacher and Quaker mystic Richard Foster, and now perpetrated as supposed Spiritual Formation with an able assist from his spiritual twin SBC minister Dallas Willard, was a core doctrine in the EC right from its hatching in hell.

What’s vital for you to grasp is that, having kicked out the pillar of sola Scriptura, a now upgraded to the Emerging Church 2.0 is spreading its own new postmodern form of “big tent” Progressive Christianity—a Liberalism 2.0. However, at the same time foolish evangelical church leaders, desperate to fill their buildings, began having “alternative” worship services and using materials from EC leaders just filled with Counter Reformation teachings and spirituality in their Young Adult and Youth Groups. Some 10 years rolling down that track, we’re only now beginning to see the syncretism it’s been causing.

You might remember in Mainstream Evangelicalism Embracing Contemplative Mysticism I supplied you with tons of documentation showing that CSM has now deeply penetrated the mainstream of the allegedly Protestant evangelical community. It’s actually been slithering in for years now; so people like Purpose Driven Pope Rick Warren, unquestionably one of the most influential pastors in the Southern Baptist Convention, are becoming emboldened and no longer feel they need to hide their affinity for it. Now I’ll show you that Saddleback Church certainly isn’t the only SBC entity promoting CSM.

We turn to Contemplative Spirituality Lands on Charles Stanley’s In Touch Magazine . . . Again. This piece over at the blog of leading online apologetics and discernment work Lighthouse Trails Research begins:

Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove is a writer, speaker, and activist who is a leader in the “New Monastic” movement. He lives in North Carolina at the Rutba House, a new monastic community.
Wilson-Hartgrove is most recently known for co-authoring Common Prayer: A Liturgy for Ordinary Radicals with new monastic activist Shane Claiborne. (Online source)

Resisting wrestling with the serpent, for now we leave aside the serious issues with Red Letter Christian—and disciple of Tony Campolo—Shane Claiborne. Mike Stanwood, the author of the Lighthouse post, tells us that Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove (seen below) “was recently profiled in Charles Stanley’s In Touch magazine” as you can see here:

Stanwood continues:
The January 2011 article called “The Craft of Stability: Discovering the Ancient Art of Staying Put” written by Cameron Lawrence highlights the “ intentional Christian community” at the Rutba House and their “daily prayer routine.”

The In Touch article states that Rutba House is an evangelical community rooted in the Protestant tradition, and that Wilson-Hartgrove is an ordained Baptist minister. The In Touch article also reports that Rutba’s community principles are borrowed from Benedictine monks and that all of their efforts are based on St. Benedict’s “rule of life.” (Online source)

Here we go mentally off-roading again into the postmodern Wonderland of Humpty Dumpty language. Stanwood is quite correct when he then points out:

However, these two statements are completely contradictory: A “Protestant tradition” and “principles” “borrowed from Benedictine monks” completely contradict each other if we are talking about a biblical tradition when we say “Protestant tradition.” The contemplative beliefs promoted by Wilson-Hartgrove are not biblical. (Online source)

This is yet another example of following one’s feelings rather than assessing “principles” by God’s infallible and inerrant Word in Holy Scripture. I’ll say it again, you need to recognize the kind of fruit that this refried Roman Catholic mysticism invariably produces. Lord willing, and should funding allow, I plan to document further for you what CSM does to those who persist in it. A good example can be seen in Peter Scazzero Bringing Rome Home To His Church; and Scazzero even comes recommended by the likes of Rick Warren and Tim Keller.

As I said before, your biggest clues are 1) as it spread through the antibiblical monastic traditions of the Church of Rome, CSM played a major role in producing apostate Roman Catholicism in the first place. And 2) just take a look at what it’s done to those in the Emerging Church like its iconic rock star pastor Rob Bell, who’s now openly arguing for Christian Universalism through his Love Wins mythology; and even though he adheres to postmodern neo-liberalism, he’s still considered an evangelical.

Why; because he’s a nice man and people feel that he must be following God; but Bell’s a neo-Gnostic with a different gospel as you’ll see when his mystic musings are Biblically tested in Rob Bell And Postmodern Neo-Liberalism. In closing this out, for now, above Mike Stanwood told us that this new monk Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove—who’s a leading proponent of unbiblical neo-monasticism—co-authored the book “Common Prayer: A Liturgy for Ordinary Radicals with new monastic activist Shane Claiborne.”

The following two sections are from this book; first:
As you can see, there’s praise for this apostate Roman Catholic mystic, a disciple of the troubled Teresa of Avila; as well as for his teaching about some supposed dark night of the soul. To mystics this allegedly occurs to them as they begin to grow deeper in their practice the crown jewel of CSM, a form of meditation in an altered state of consciousness commonly known as Contemplative/Centering Prayer (CCP). Dr. Gary Gilley explains:

The phrase “dark night of the soul” has become, on a popular level, the description of a period of deep depression or dryness, but this is certainly not what St. John meant… He set out, during the time of the Catholic Counter-Reformation, to explain the life of the mystic and the mystical way.

Classical mysticism is composed of three parts: purgation, in which the senses and spirit are purged of all desires; illumination, in which God supernaturally floods the soul with His love while the individual remains passive; and union, in which the soul is united with God in perfection.
Such an individual will be able to skip purgatory since purgatory’s work has been completed in this life (pp. 107-108, 174). To this pursuit the medieval monks and hermits devoted their lives.

The mystical way is nowhere supported by Scripture, even though St. John makes many attempts to do so… Concerning purgation we are told that there is two stages: purgation of the senses (explained in book one) and of the spirit, the subject of book two.
The dark night is a description of these two levels of purgation.

Then we’re given the wisdom of another apostate Roman Catholic monk, Thomas Merton, the Golden Buddha of CSM. Despite the fact that Merton’s life-long devotion to CCP, which would make him more like the Buddha than the Christ as you can see in Thomas Merton And The Buddhas, we are given Merton with the mystic gibberish below:

Finally, concerning the video interview below Stanwood is right that we’ll hear “Wilson-Hartgrove [as he] talks about the concepts in his book; the new monastic movement, desert vision, desert fathers, and redistribution of wealth.” In addition, the way he speaks about what Jesus did on the cross is quite consistent with mysticism’s and progressive/liberalism’s view that He chose to show us the way of love and to enter into human suffering by taking on the evil empire.
With this love of the self the lines blur further while such as these defecate upon the blood of the martyrs.

Rick Warren Believes Church 'Most Powerful Weapon' to Fight AIDS

Megachurch pastor Rick Warren said Sunday that in the fight against AIDS the "single fastest way to mobilize at the grassroots level around the world" is through local churches.
In an opinion piece for CNN Sunday, Warren outlined reasons why he believed the church to be the "world's most powerful weapon against AIDS."

First, he pointed out that the church has the largest distribution network on the planet.
"There are more churches in the world than all the Wal-Marts, McDonald’s and Starbucks combined.
The church was global 200 years before anyone else thought of globalization.
We could take you to thousands of villages around the world where the only institution to speak of is a church," said Warren.

Secondly, Warren wrote that the growth rate of the church is faster than the HIV/AIDS infection rate. The church gains 35,000 converts daily in China alone while there are 7,000 new people infected with HIV/AIDS every day.

Thirdly, "these church members have a non-profit motivation to serve," added Warren. "We are commanded by Jesus Christ to 'love your neighbor as yourself.'"

The famous evangelical pastor said his Southern California megachurch, Saddleback Church, has already sent 14,869 of its members to 195 nations in the world to test a Christ-centered humanitarian program called the P.E.A.C.E. Plan.

The acronym for the plan is based on the five actions Jesus modeled: Promote reconciliation; Equip servant leaders; Assist the poor; Care for the sick; and Educate the next generation.
Warren has said in previous remarks that his ultimate goal is to mobilize 1 billion Christians worldwide to participate in the P.E.A.C.E. initiative.


Hey 'Pastor' Rick! The only solution for this is to FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS!!!!

1Co 6:18  Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1Co 6:19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Co 6:20  For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


Also, what was disturbing about Warren's CNN article is that he linked the church to the "globalization" of today.
As we all know, globalization is a big buzz word going around meaning One World Government. Warren also seemed to imply how it can be ANY church building, whether Catholic, liberal Protestant, Mormon, Mosques, etc, etc.

'God the Father' banished by mainline denomination
United Church of Christ prefers 'to leave that more open for different expressions of the Trinity'


The United Church of Christ, the denomination whose Chicago pastor Jeremiah Wright blasted the United States and white people for years from the pulpit while Barack Obama sat in his pews, has decided to banish God "the Father" from its organizational documents.

A report from Eric Anderson on the denomination's website confirmed that delegates to the UCC's "General Synod 28" agreed late Monday to a series of proposed amendments to the constitution and bylaws. The vote was 613 in favor of the changes, 171 against and 10 abstaining.

The changes include a pointed deletion of a reference to God "as heavenly Father," which has been part of Christendom's description of the Trinity for millennia – the three persons of God being the heavenly Father, Christ the Son and Savior, and the Holy Ghost, the counselor and comforter.

In Article V, referencing local churches, the constitution previously said, "A Local Church is composed of persons who, believing in God as heavenly Father and accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and depending on the guidance of the Holy Spirit, are organized for Christian worship, for the furtherance of Christian fellowship, and for the ongoing work of Christian witness."

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Read more: 'God the Father' banished by mainline denomination

Horror Writer Stephen King Fronts Liberal Talk Show
8/24/11 - Video news report inside(he's hired a Green Party activist to help)

Brannon House - Religious Trojan Horse in the Churches

Beth Moore

Beth Moore Praises Brother Lawrence and Obscures the Reformation

The largely pretending to be Protestant evangelical community continues its pilgrimage back to the legalistic spiritual bondage of apostate Roman Catholicism and its evil author the Church of Rome.
As an online apologetics and discernment work Apprising Ministries does what we can to document this woeful walk away from the truths recaptured during the Lord’s Reformation; how sad He must be.
Southern Baptist Bible teacher Beth Moore remains enormously popular within today’s anything goes evanjellyfish.

Not unlike charismatic prophet-pastors like PDL Pope Rick Warren, Moore is also an SBC figure receiving direct revelations from God.
The Slowly Becoming Catholic (SBC) is said to frown upon charismatic practices; but I guess they’re okay as long as someone isn’t a Calvinist, I mean we can’t have that. Like Warren, Moore’s teachings are peppered with things God “told me,” “spoke to my heart,” etc.

Interstingly enough, both of them are pretty iffy about Reformation theology, most specifically that the Roman Catholic Church teaches another gospel. This clip below is from the Be Still DVD, which is an ode to the unbiblical practice of Contemplative/Centering Prayer (CCP).

You may remember that in Alabama Baptist Convention (SBC) Encourages You To Learn Lectio Divina From Apostate Tony Jones—yes, you read that right—I explained CCP, a form of transcendental meditation, is the crown jewel of the highly subjective Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism (CSM).

Under the guise of so-called Spiritual Formation this spurious CSM— a refried Roman Catholic mysticism—has been taught for years now within evangelicalism by Living Spiritual Teacher and Quaker mystic Richard Foster. As a matter of fact, Foster is featured prominently in Be Still.

So is his spiritual twin and Southern Baptist minister Dallas Willard; what many don’t seem to remember is Foster was once Willard’s pastor in a Quaker community and what Foster catechizes so does Willard. That understood, after Max Lucado’s quick comment in the video, listen closely to Beth Moore.

Using contemplative-speak concerning someone she refers to as “a true lover of God,” Moore is obviously lavishing praise upon this unnamed person, whom she tells us “spoke about practicing God’s presence.” I wonder why Moore apparently felt she needed to obscure who she is talking about.

In fact she’s speaking of apostate Roman Catholic Carmelite monk Nicholas Herman (1614-1691) aka “Brother Lawrence” and his little book Practicing The Presence of God, which is also highly recommended by Gary Thomas. [1] Now, you might be wondering why I would mention Gary Thomas.

Well, I’ve got a little SBC charismatic/contemplative thing going on here and Thomas, who happens to be a preaching pastor at the Southern Baptist megachurch Second Baptist Church of Dr. Ed Young, [2] also comes highly recommended by the SBC flagship Saddleback Church of Rick Warren as well. [3]

However, the idea of “practicing the presence of God” is meaningless. Do we also practice the omniscience of God; or perhaps, we need to practice His omnipotence? You may recall that in Disciplines To Deception In The Southern Baptist Convention I told you more about this mystic monk.

You see, it’s important to this discussion that you understand the very spiritual practices of Herman’s monastic order were developed by Teresa of Avila. If you wish to know more about about this emotionally troubled Roman Catholic nun I’ll refer you to Who Is Teresa of Avila?

Here I’m only going to point out that Dr. Ursula King, a proponent of mysticism herself, informs us that Teresa’s:

mysticism was influenced by the spirituality and methods of the Jesuits and Franciscans, but given her partly Jewish background, her thinking was also affected by Jewish Kabbalistic mysticism, elements of which can be detected in her writings. [4]

Sadly, today these Roman Catholic mystics are being romanticized and undergoing a revisionist history within the visible church. For Lawrence, his supposely being so in tune with God’s’ presence would lead him to remain in spiritual slavery to the apostate religious system of the Roman Catholic Church.

An organization that has anathematized the Gospel of Jeus Christ, and which Dr. John MacArthur rightly referred to as “Satan’s best front for the Kingdom of God.” So, why would we even want to follow this kind of stupid spirituality; rooted, as it is, in the Counter Reformation (hello!) of the Church of Rome?

This is preciely the point: Those who chase after this heart murmur mysticism always end up, at the very least, sinfully ecumenical; and at worst, driving toward Christian Universalism as with the Love Wins mythology of the Emerging Church rock star mystic Rob Bell. Look at his drift over the past few years.

In closing this, for now, here’s another example of the effects of this romanticizing Roman Catholic mystics. Also in Be Still we hear the following repudiation of the Reformation by Beth Moore, one of the best known Bible teachers in the largest Protestant denominations in the United States:

You know, one of the things that time gives us is that it erases the lines in between people so many different sections of the people of God. Because many years later it doesn’t matter any longer that this person was of this practice in the Christian faith and this person of another.

Time somehow blurs those lines and we are profoundly moved by the historical narratives of all their lives, of so great a cloud of witnesses; that we can look back on and see what kept them running the race, what kept them running toward the face of Christ at the end of that finish line. (channel 1, 00:18-00:50)

So what do you suppose it is that Beth Moore is talking about in this section of the Be Still DVD, dedicated as it is to the praise of so-called “Christian” mystics who were members of the apostate Church of Rome, when she says that time “erases the lines.” She’s referring to the Protestant Reformation.

A time during which many of Christ’s beloved children were brutally murdered on the orders of Popes of the Roman Catholic Church. O, but for these compromisers “time” has somehow erased all of this. No, it hasn’t; consider the following from Dr. R.C. Sproul:

The Roman Catholic Church condemns “sola fide! (L.)” Now if, please understand this, if “sola fide (L.)” is the gospel, then the Roman Catholic Church has condemned the gospel of Jesus Christ. Now, nobody who went to the Council of Trent, as a delegate, went there with the intention of condemning the gospel.

The theologians of Rome really believed that they were defending the gospel and that the Protestants had in fact committed apostasy. And I admire the Church, the Roman communion of the 16th century for at least understanding what apparently people don’t understand today, and that is what is at stake here. That they understood that somebody is under the anathema of God!

And we can be as nice, and as pleasant, and as gentle, and as loving, and as charitable, and tolerant as we can possibly be, but it’s not going to change that folks. Somebody is preaching a different gospel! And when Rome condemned the Protestant declaration of “Justification by faith alone” I believe, Rome, when placing the anathema on “sola fide (L.),” placed the anathema of God upon themselves. I agree with his [John MacArthur] assessment, that the institution [Roman Catholic Church] is apostate! (Online source)

As you’ll see in Has The Roman Catholic Church Really Changed? the answer is crystal clear: Absolutely not. Rather, this despicable reversal of the Reformation currently going on within squishy evanjellyfish is the work of spineless professing Christians who are themselves now covered in the blood of the martyrs.

Believers in Christ who were murdered because they believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ i.e. salvation is by God’s grace alone; through faith alone, in the finished work of Christ alone on the Cross. Shame on such as these like Beth Moore for forgetting the price paid so she’d even have a Bible to teach from.

Should the Lord choose to sustain me, be sure that I’ll have more to say about this travesty in the days to come. It’s one thing to lament the lack of those of us who make a bold stand for Christ in this tepid time; but it’s quite another to pay the price in standing with us as the enemy then quickly steps in to vilify us.

I wonder, suppose time and Love Wins mythology has erased the deaths of beloved of God like these…

God speaks to our hearts, indeed, but tells me what I need to know for me, for my relationship with Him, or what I need for ministry.
He guides our steps.

Error occurs when we say - God told me YOU have to _____

That is such arrogance.

Thanks for this post.

I am very sad to see Paul Yonggi Cho has gone cultic


No it's not, Pat...Jesus says only adultery is grounds for a divorce.

Pat Robertson: Divorcing a spouse with Alzheimer's is justifiable

Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson told his "700 Club" viewers that divorcing a spouse with Alzheimer's is justifiable because the disease is "a kind of death."

During the portion of the show where the one-time Republican presidential candidate takes questions from viewers,
Robertson was asked what advice a man should give to a friend who began seeing another woman after his wife started suffering from the incurable neurological disorder.

"I know it sounds cruel, but if he's going to do something, he should divorce her and start all over again, but make sure she has custodial care and somebody looking after her," Robertson said.

The chairman of the Christian Broadcasting Network, which airs the "700 Club," said he wouldn't "put a guilt trip" on anyone who divorces a spouse who suffers from the illness, but added, "Get some ethicist besides me to give you the answer."

Mat 15:17  Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
Mat 15:18  But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Mat 15:19  For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mat 15:20  These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man

"Pay Tithes or Get SHOT!" - Creflo Dollar

His last name isn't really Dollar. Says it all.  Laughing

O well now Laz... yer just passin th buck.   Cool

'Love Wins' Author Rob Bell to Co-Produce New 'Spiritual' Drama


Controversial author and pastor Rob Bell is teaming up with "Lost" co-creator Carlton Cuse to produce a new TV show called "Stronger," which is being described as an unusual spiritual drama and is reportedly loosely based on Bell's life.

Oprah’s Dr. OZ Caught In Major Vaccine Conflict Of Interest

As a response to this article by Natural News, SIGA Technologies sent out their PR dogs to try and get Natural News to retract the MOST DAMNING fact within the article, that is, SIGA Technologies being tied to the vaccine industry. It didn’t take long for Natural News to uncover SEVERAL DOCUMENTS tying SIGA Technologies to the vaccine industry.

Question back at SIGA Technologies. Do you REALLY want to take this to court and, even further, take this to THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION? Because, this will be all over mainstream news due to Dr. Oz pushing vaccine safety on Oprah.

Natural News responds to SIGA Technologies threat.

When Dr. Oz tells YOU to get and give the H1N1 vaccine to YOUR kids, PLEASE understand why HIS kids didn’t get it. Also, question the validity of Dr. Oz’s Claim he actually took the vaccine.

Source & Links
(NaturalNews) Dr. Mehmet Oz is a huge promoter of vaccines. He’s been on television reinforcing fear about H1N1 swine flu and telling everyone to get vaccinated. But what he didn’t tell his viewing audience is that he holds 150,000 option shares in a vaccine company that could earn him millions of dollars in profits as the stock price rises. It is in Dr. Oz’s own financial interest, in other words, to hype up vaccines and get more people taking them so that his own financial investments rise in value.

Evidence describing these facts was delivered to NaturalNews by a private investigator named Joseph Culligan ( That evidence includes an SEC document detailing how Dr. Oz. bought options on stocks for SIGA Technologies in 2005, 2007, 2008 and 2009. SIGA Technologies (stock symbol SIGA) is a vaccine technology company with many advanced developments whose success depends on the widespread adoption of vaccines. According to SEC documents, Dr. Mehmet Oz. currently holds 150,000 option shares on SIGA Technologies, purchased for as little as $1.35 back in 2005.

At the time of this writing, SIGA Technologies is trading at $7.10, making those options bought in 2005 worth $5.75 in profits today. If all the 150,000 options purchased by Dr. Oz. were exercised today, they would be worth roughly $180,000 in profits (they were bought at different prices, not all at $1.35). This is all revealed in what the SEC website calls an “insider transaction” document (link below).

These options won’t expire until the years 2015 – 2019, and the higher the stock price of SIGA gets before then, the more profit can be realized when these options are cashed out. You can see the 2019 expiration date in this “insider transaction” form:

If the stock price of SIGA Technologies could be pumped up even more — say, from someone hyping up vaccines in front of a national audience — these options could mathematically be worth millions of dollars. Just to clarify, by the way, SIGA Technologies doesn’t currently manufacture a vaccine for H1N1 swine flu. It focuses on future vaccine technologies that could be applied to many different vaccines down the road.

Dr. Oz. isn’t merely a holder of SIGA stock options, by the way: He’s on the Board of Directors! As SIGA’s own website explains, Dr. Oz has served on the board since 2001 and continues his role there today. This brings up the obvious question:

Is it right for someone talking about whether vaccines are safe on television to also be carrying stock options and serving on the board of directors of a vaccine company at the same time?

Just to make things a little more interesting, SIGA Technologies recently received a $3 million grant in taxpayer dollars from the National Institutes of Health (NIH). The purpose of the grant money? To fund the study of a chemical adjunct named ST-246 to be used in future vaccines. So taxpayer money is now being used to fund a vaccine technology company whose stock price increases will financially benefit the very celebrity doctor who is hyping up vaccines to a national audience.

Something sounds fishy here…

Conflict of interest?
To my knowledge, Dr. Oz. has never disclosed to his viewing audience the fact that he owns 150,000 option shares of SIGA Technologies. And yet, with an audience of millions, Dr. Oz has continued to beat the drum of the vaccine industry, urging people to get vaccinated while implying that vaccines protect people from swine flu (even though there is absolutely no scientific evidence to back up that claim).

Here’s a link to the SEC document detailing Dr. Oz’s ownership of these 150,000 option shares:

The current value of SIGA shares can be verified here:

Information about SIGA Technologies and their vaccine technology can be found on their website:

The press release announcing SIGA’s receipt of $3 million from the NIH is available here:

The RealAge Big Pharma front group
In addition to holding stock options in a vaccine technology company, Dr. Oz. is also a front man for the RealAge website, a sort of “health front group” for the pharmaceutical industry that uses information provided by RealAge members to solicit consumers with pro-pharma marketing message targeted by age or health condition.

Corporate sponsors of RealAge include most of the major drug companies and their most profitable pharmaceutical products such as Adderall, Ambien and Celebrex. The companies sponsoring RealAge include GlaxoSmithKline, Genentech, Wyeth and many others. RealAge is essentially a marketing platform for Big Pharma, disguised to look like a consumer health information service.

The New York Times calls RealAge “a window for drug makers” (…) and explains, “The test has received widespread publicity because of its affiliation with Dr. Mehmet Oz.”

This NY Times article goes on to explain how the RealAge scheme operates:

People come to the site, then provide an e-mail address to take [the RealAge test]. They are asked throughout the test if they would like a free RealAge membership. If people answer yes to any of the prompts, they become RealAge members, and their test results go into a marketing database.

RealAge allows drug companies to send e-mail messages based on those test results. It acts as a clearinghouse for drug companies, including Pfizer, Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline, allowing them to use almost any combination of answers from the test to find people to market to, including whether someone is taking antidepressants, how sexually active they are and even if their marriage is happy.

RealAge sends the selected recipients a series of e-mail messages about a condition they might have, usually sponsored by a drug company that sells a medication for that condition.

The RealAge ads seen all over the internet do not openly disclose that taking the RealAge test gets you signed up to be solicited by Big Pharma for medication advertisements. Dr. Oz’s continued promotion of this service has exposed tens of millions of health consumers to this deceptive marketing front for Big Pharma.

How much has Dr. Oz earned from his affiliation with RealAge? He isn’t saying.

Front man for Big Pharma?
In my view, Dr. Mehmet Oz. is a front man for Big Pharma and the vaccine industry. He’s pushing vaccines for his own personal financial gain while championing one of the largest internet Big Pharma marketing scams yet concocted.

Dr. Oz. stands to profit millions of dollars from helping creating demand for vaccines, and yet he does not disclose to his audience this huge, blatant conflict of interest. Sadly, by catapulting his career from her own show, Oprah has inadvertently unleashed a vaccine pusher onto the general public and given him influence over millions of people who may now be corralled into services like RealAge that seek to sell more drugs to unsuspecting consumers.

I respect Oprah. She’s an amazing achiever. But I don’t respect all the wannabe celebrity leeches who use her to launch their own careers and then exploit their newfound popularity for financial gain at the expense of the public.

Shame on Dr. Oz. for his financial conflicts of interest and his strong affiliation with the deadly pharmaceutical industry. Through his actions, Dr. Oz. has aligned himself with precisely the evil corporations that are destroying health in America today. Does the man have no shame?

He may not have any shame, but he does have 150,000 stock options that could be worth millions in the years ahead.

Additional sources:
Joseph Culligan is more than just a private investigator; he’s also an author. His book When In Doubt, Check Him Out is available on

It should be noted that Oprah Winfrey, wether duped into or not, met in secret with individuals that support population reduction eugenics. WHICH ACCORDING TO OBAMA’S SCIENCE CZAR IN HIS OWN WRITTEN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MANUAL ‘ECOSCIENCE’ INCLUDES THE USE OF VACCINES AS A SOURCE OF POPULATION REDUCTION. It shouldn’t come as ANY surprise that Oprah has a Dr. on her mega TV show that has significant financial ties to the very companies he’s pushing this snake oil on.
The reason why I'm posting this here is b/c Dr. Oz is working with Rick Warren in his year-long draconian Health and Wellness "Daniel Plan"

LOOK at this and LISTEN to the video on Nimrod
rise of the antichrist - return of Nimrod

Mormons are Christians, says Joel Osteen
Joel Osteen, Shame on You!

Joel Osteen firmly declared to the world that Mormonism is Christian.   ITS NOT!

Ed Decker 27 october 2011
I have just watched your remarks regarding Mitt Romney and his Mormon faith, recorded on video.

Shame on you!  You have given the enemies of the Cross a great victory. Either through sheer ignorance of the Word or your apparent desire to never offend anyone, regardless of their sins, you have handed the Mormons a huge PR gift. You have insulted and denigrated the many former Mormons like me who have spent their lives bringing Mormons the truth and to the Real Jesus, who died for their sins on Calvary. You have defined our ministries and my life’s work as worthless.

You emphatically state: The Mormons are Christian.  Are you completely ignorant of the fact that the Mormons have taught as a foundational doctrine that the creeds of all the Christian churches are abominations in the Mormons’ god’s sight?  

What kind of research or study did you undertake before you made this foolish and unbiblical utterance? Did you check with Pastor Jeffress, a godly, Christian pastor? Or with Mitt Romney, a man working out his own godhood?  Or did you just toss this out from your own lack of knowledge or as some sort of sweet sound bite?

Are you totally unaware that they have taught in their sacred temples for over a century that you and all other Christian pastors are corrupt hirelings of Satan, that you and your church are part of the great and abominable church and the whore of all the earth?  

Did you not know that Mormonism teaches a restorationist theology, stating that the gates of hell did prevail against the Church and teaching that all power and authority were lost until God chose Joseph Smith to be his holy prophet to restore all things and lead this last dispensation of time?

Did you not know that the LDS church teaches they have the only true church, the only true prophet, the only true priesthood, and the only true scripture? That all others are false? That there is NO personal salvation outside their church?

Didn’t you know that the god of Mormonism is an exalted man-god who once lived on another planet in some other galaxy? That he  earned his godhood through his good works and now lives on a planet near the great star Kolob with a harem of his many goddesses, making spirit babies to come to this earth to earn [their own] godhoods?

You say you “heard Romney say that Jesus is the Son of God and is his Savior -- and that is one of the "core issues."

You announced to the world, with a broad smile, that the Mormon Church and Romney are Christian and that the differences between Mormonism and orthodox Christianity are simply the same as the differences between Baptists and other denominations. How could you, as the pastor of one of our largest churches, say that so glibly?

Don’t you know that Mitt Romney is a man who is earning his own godhood and plans to people his own planet? That Romney is a Mormon High Priest in the Melchizedek priesthood?  That the Mormons have usurped that holy priesthood as their own?

To pronounce them Christians, do you then agree with the Mormon doctrine that the Mormon Jesus is the brother of Lucifer? That he became ‘savior’ by a vote of a council of gods? That He is not the Word become flesh, not God come in the flesh, but was conceived through an act of sex by the Mormon god and one of his own daughters, Mary?

To have publicly accepted their Christianity, you must apparently concur that Jesus did not die as ransom for our sins on the Cross, but suffered for us in the garden, sweating great drops of blood, placing our personal salvation as conditional upon our works and our obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Mormon gospel. That Jesus’ death on Calvary merely gives us all resurrection so that we may be judged for our works and obedience.

Why do you think that the Mormons have over 50,000 missionaries out, primarily targeting Christians weak in the faith? If they are Christians, why do they target other Christians?

It is because they have success in seducing people who have not been taught biblical truth and discernment  by pastors more eager to fill pews and sell books than guard their people from the ravening wolves who circle the flocks.

I am sorry, Pastor Osteen, but you have disgraced the Cross of Christ and bowed to some vile, politically correct dogma and publicly pronounced these doctrines of demons to be Christian.

These are not the quaint differences you alleged in your book tour interview. These are lies from the pit of hell. There are irreconcilable differences between orthodox Christianity and these antichrist teachings and doctrines.

The true Christian Church can never accept the Mormons as Christians until they confess these lies as sins and repent from them publicly.   If a Mormon can attend your church and be openly accepted as a Christian brother or sister without being called to the Cross and repentance, then you are teaching a false faith and need to repent and ask forgiveness from the Church and Pastor Jeffress, the pastor you have just defamed in your foolish utterances.

Ed Decker, Saints Alive in Jesus

More by Ed Decker here, he speaks on Mormonism and Glenn Beck


Swedish Lutheran church hosts 'techno Mass'

   Churchgoers dance in the pews during a techno Mass at the Church of All Saints in Stockholm, Sweden, Friday Nov. 11 2011. Rev. Olle Idestrom, not shown, organized the techno Mass for the second time and has been forced to turn away worshippers from the full church. It is the church's latest attempt at attracting young congregations in a country where attendance at services has been dwindling for decades.

STOCKHOLM (AP) — Simon Klemenjak does some street dance moves and throws his hands up in the air to cheer on the crowd before he starts singing to the techno beat in front of the altar in the Church of All Saints in Stockholm.

Instead of praying silently and singing gentle hymns, the congregation inside raves to techno sounds in ultraviolet lighting at Friday's "techno Mass" — more like a disco at a youth center than a service conducted by the Lutheran church.

"It was an awesome feeling," an ecstatic Klemenjak, 21, said after his performance of the song "Never Leave Me", which has been independently composed by youth at the church in Swedish capital's hip Sodermalm district.

It is the church's latest attempt at attracting young congregations in a country where attendance at services has been dwindling for decades.

Olle Idestrom organized the Mass for the second time, and says the feedback has mainly been positive.

"There is already a hip hop Mass, there is a rock Mass and a jazz Mass," the 28-year-old priest said. "But it is mainly club music that we listen to and that we like dancing to, so it felt like a natural choice."

And it seems to work.

Unlike at traditional Sunday services in Sweden where several pews regularly remain empty, Idestrom had to turn away worshippers at the first techno Mass in April.

There was extra seating Friday night at the church, which has a normal capacity of 400.

The service started with organ music and choir singing but soon broke into powerful techno beats to loud approving claps, shouts and cheers. People jumped up and danced at their seats while disco lights swirled over the ornamented wooden ceilings.

"It was superfun, it was really kicking, I didn't think it would be this good before I came," said Ella Schwarz, 15. "The church isn't really my kind of thing, but after this it seems like it is great," she said.

Lawyer Caterine Hogman, 46, says she was impressed with the arrangement and thinks it is good the church does something positive for young people.

Over the past 10 years, membership in Sweden's Lutheran church has fallen 13 percent and attendance at regular Sunday services plunged 50 percent to 4.6 million visits last year, worrying the clergy.

The church in Sweden has become increasingly progressive.

In 1958, it allowed its first female priests, and two years ago ordained its first openly gay bishop, Eva Brunne, and gave priests the right to wed same-sex couples.

Idestrom says his modern Mass is a further development on the road of progress.

"People say this is exactly what the Church of Sweden needs," he said. "We need to develop the services so that we have a service also for people, mainly from the younger generation, who like this kind of music."

But not everyone is happy about the development.

"There are more than enough entertainment halls in the city to cover all tastes. Let the church remain a place for quiet contact with spirituality," said Dan Kareliusson, a representative of the nationalist Sweden Democrats party.

Par Sandberg, a spokesman for the Stockholm diocese, says congregations manage their activities independently and attitudes vary greatly within the Church of Sweden.

"We are a democratic people's church, it is a little different from the Catholic Church for example, where they might have a different set of rules," Sandberg said.

"There are those who maybe wouldn't organize a techno Mass, but on the other hand we have churches that organize something called desert Mass ... characterized by the Coptic tradition," he said. "There are churches who have U2 Masses, where they play music by U2, some have animals — horses and dogs and donkeys — and we have motor cycle Masses."

Catholics buy bankrupt Crystal Cathedral megachurch]

November  18,  2011  
The Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange County, California is buying Robert Schuller's celebrated Protestant Crystal Cathedral megachurch for $57.5 million, the LA Times reports. The spacious, light-filled house of worship is a "a monument of 20th century modernist architecture," the Times writes.

Schuller, 85, founded his ministry half a century ago and soon began starring in his own TV worship show, "Hour of Power." The church filed for Chapter 11 last year, and under the terms of its bankruptcy agreement can lease back the space for three more years before finding a new home. According to Catholic News Agency, there are more than a million Catholics in Orange County.

During the Pope's visit to Los Angeles in 1987" Schuller said:
"It's time for Protestants to go to the shepherd [Pope]  Twisted Evil  and say 'what do we have to do to come home?'"
(Calvary Contender 11/15/87).

BornAgain2 about the pot calling the kettle black!

Rick Warren to Tackle Biblical Illiteracy With '40 Days in the Word'

Well-known for starting Bible study campaigns that often become staples for churches around the world, Pastor Rick Warren announced that Saddleback Church in Orange County will begin a "40 Days in the Word" study next month to tackle biblical illiteracy.

Warren, whose bestselling book The Purpose Driven Life was a accompanied by a “40 Days of Purpose” study for small groups, said in a video introducing the new campaign that he has three goals for “our entire church family.”

“First, I want you to learn to love the Word more than anything else in your life, that you love it like you’ve never loved it before. Then, learn the Word in a way that you’ve never learned it before. And I want you to live the word like you’ve never lived it before,” said Warren in the short video on the church’s website.

“The Bible says that God’s word was given to transform our lives, not simply to inform our lives,” he tells viewers. “It wasn’t given to increase our knowledge, but to change our lives.”

Warren said that when asked about which translation of the Bible is best, he once told a man, “The best translation is when you translate it into your life.” When he was told by the man that he had a Living Bible translation, Warren replied, “You ought to be a living Bible.”

He went on to say, “We are either testimonies for God or we are testimonies for the evil one.”

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“God says he want His word to dwell in our hearts. It’s a journey that you are going to be glad that you came with me on,” he concludes in the video.

Explaining the motivation behind the project, Warren lamented on Wednesday during a year-end webcast that one of the convictions he got this past year “is that Americans are biblically illiterate.”

“They just don't know the Word of God ... Our parents' generation knew the Word of God pretty well. My generation knew a little bit. The next generation knows none of it.”

Warren is not without controversy for his purpose-driven preaching methods, even within the Christian community. His “life application” style of teaching has some pastors saying Warren’s method is not biblically correct.

However, Warren recently explained his teaching methods in an interview with Preaching Magazine. In the interview discussing the 40 Days in the Word campaign, he was asked about his approach to preaching, which most times includes having every point of his sermon outline being a statement of application.

Warren told the interviewer that “the deepest kind of preaching is really life application preaching. I know people say, ‘Well that's shallow preaching.’ Actually it's much deeper. It's quite easy simply to do an exposition of a book. I've done it. I once preached through the Book of Romans; it took me two and a half years.

“I preached through many of the books of the Bible verse by verse. That's actually the easiest kind of preaching there is. I pull some commentaries off the shelf. I look at the text; I explain the text; I apply the text; and that's it...”

Warren continued in the interview: “Life application preaching is not shallow; otherwise the Sermon on the Mount is the shallowest sermon ever done, because it's 100 percent life application preaching.

“Jesus started out by saying: Let Me tell you eight ways to be happy. Blessed are you if you do this; blessed are you if you do this. He says: Let Me give you six reasons to not worry; and He goes into the six reasons to not worry. Then He says: Let Me tell you about divorce: Don't do it. Let Me tell you about anger: Don't do it. One life application after another. Then He gets to the end and says: If you do this, you're smart and you're wise. If you don't, you're dumb.”

While some pastors say verse-by-verse teaching is the only way to give sermons, Warren explained in the interview that the opposite is true.

“Ecclesiastes 12:9-11 is, in my understanding, the clearest explanation of a preaching style found in Scripture. You certainly don't find anybody telling you how to do verse-by-verse or book-by-book preaching in Scripture. It's not there. None of the apostles were verse-by-verse preachers. Jesus wasn't, Peter, Paul – nobody was,” he said.


So 'pastor' Warren, how is Jesus's Sermon on the Mount 'shallow' as you say?

Mat 5:1  And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2  And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Mat 5:3  Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4  Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5  Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6  Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7  Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8  Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9  Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10  Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11  Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12  Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mat 5:13  Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14  Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15  Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mat 5:16  Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Mat 5:17  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20  For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21  Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22  But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23  Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24  Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25  Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26  Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
Mat 5:27  Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28  But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29  And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30  And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:31  It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32  But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Mat 5:33  Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Mat 5:34  But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Mat 5:35  Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36  Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37  But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
Mat 5:38  Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39  But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40  And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Mat 5:41  And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Mat 5:42  Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43  Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46  For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47  And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect

BornAgain2 wrote:

“Ecclesiastes 12:9-11 is, in my understanding, the clearest explanation of a preaching style found in Scripture. You certainly don't find anybody telling you how to do verse-by-verse or book-by-book preaching in Scripture. It's not there. None of the apostles were verse-by-verse preachers. Jesus wasn't, Peter, Paul – nobody was,” he said.

Wrong again...

9   Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? [them that are] weaned from the milk, [and] drawn from the breasts.  
10   For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little:  
11 ¶ For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.  
12   To whom he said, This [is] the rest [wherewith] ye may cause the weary to rest; and this [is] the refreshing: yet they would not hear.  
13   But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Isaiah 28:9-13 (KJB)

9   And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, [and] set in order many proverbs.  
10   The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and [that which was] written [was] upright, [even] words of truth.  
11 ¶ The words of the wise [are] as goads, and as nails fastened [by] the masters of assemblies, [which] are given from one shepherd
Ecclesiastes 12:9-11 (KJB)

No, I'm NOT trying to imply that Eddie Long is the AC(for anyone that doesn't know who he is, he's been on the news recently b/c of sex scandals he's been involved with at his church).

However, I'm somewhat at a loss for words with's not like they're doing this with Obama...

Bishop Eddie Long Crowned King in Ritualistic Jewish Ceremony


Bishop Eddie Long has been crowned king of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church.

Rabbi Ralph Messer dubbed the scandalized megachurch pastor a king during a televised broadcast on Sunday. A YouTube video of the event is spreading rapidly over the Internet

Messer heads Simchat Tora Beit Midrash (STBM) and was one of the speakers at Long’s Economic Empowerment Summit. STBM describes itself as a “congregation and school facilitating inter-faith discussions between various groups, cultures and denominations worldwide.”

“He’s a king. God’s blessed him. He’s a humble man. But in him is kingship. In him is royalty,” Messer proclaimed over Long. “In him was a land of Israel. In him was a k chromosome … he was brought through the slaves, raised up in a city and God now wants to release a new anointing.”

Messer then instructed Long to look at an original scroll from Israel. Messer and two other men wrapped the scroll around Long as the New Birth crowd cheered with a approval.

The ritualistic ceremony continued as Long was presented with a "belt of justice and blessing" and "a constitution of God as a king." Four men then lifted the seated Long up and carried him around the platform as Hebrew songs played in the background.

You can watch the video below:

Exodus Int'l Head Calls Gays 'Brothers and Sisters in Christ'


The president of the world's largest ministry to homosexuals and their families recently attempted to clarify controversial statements he made at a Gay Christian Network conference in Orlando, Fla., including one in which he described gays at the conference as "brothers and sisters in Christ."

"I believe that if a person has accepted the free gift of salvation, then the gift is irrevocable," Exodus International President Alan Chambers explained. "So, when someone says that they are a born again believer, I address them as a brother or sister in Christ."

Exposed: Tim LaHaye, Chuck Missler, Jerry Falwell, Sun Myung Moon, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Benny Hinn, Kathryn Kuhlman,  Paul Crouch, Chuck Smith, Hal Lindsey, Rick Joyner, The Pope, TBN, Calvary Chapel, CNP, Knights of Malta & Many More–Part 1

Audio Part 1

Exposed: Tim LaHaye, Chuck Missler, Jerry Falwell, Sun Myung Moon, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Benny Hinn, Kathryn Kuhlman,  Paul Crouch, Chuck Smith, Hal Lindsey, Rick Joyner, The Pope, TBN, Calvary Chapel, CNP, Knights of Malta & Many More–Part 2

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Exposed: Tim LaHaye, Chuck Missler, Jerry Falwell, Sun Myung Moon, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Benny Hinn, Kathryn Kuhlman,  Paul Crouch, Chuck Smith, Hal Lindsey, Rick Joyner, The Pope, TBN, Calvary Chapel, CNP, Knights of Malta & Many More–Part 3

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Exposed: Tim LaHaye, Chuck Missler, Jerry Falwell, Sun Myung Moon, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Benny Hinn, Kathryn Kuhlman,  Paul Crouch, Chuck Smith, Hal Lindsey, Rick Joyner, The Pope, TBN, Calvary Chapel, CNP, Knights of Malta & Many More–Part 4

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Also, just to throw this in here too - Charles Stanley apparently is one of the founders of the so-called "moral majority". No, he's not a CNP/Knights of Malta member, however, from what I've been reading, he could very well be the "Black Pope" of the SBC. The Black Pope in the Vatican is the guy who does all the dirty work behind the scenes(while getting nil press coverage). Pt being that while the other "religious right" leaders like Falwell, Robertson, Bright, LaHaye, etc get TONS of press coverage, Stanley hasn't got one nil of MSM coverage. Stanley also served 2 consecutive terms as SBC President in the 80's. His son Andy is one of the leaders in the Emergent Church movement.

One of the best-known headliners in the new evangelical phalanx of popularizers is Dr. Charles Stanley, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Atlanta. Television stations all across America broadcast his Sunday service under the name, "In Touch." As of 1985 his radio program was carried on about 150 stations. He is a graduate of the University of Richmond, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and Luther Rice Seminary. He is a good preacher. If you start to listen to one of his messages, you will hear him out.

Dr. Stanley was one of the original founders of the Moral Majority That group is one of the classic examples of "the good cause syndrome" - the persuasion that Christians can cross Scriptural lines of demarcation if the cause is good enough. The Moral Majority joined believer and unbeliever, Mormon and Methodist, Catholic and charismatic in an unholy union to save the country. Needless to say, the country was not saved, but the cause of Christ was damaged. The line of demarcation between the godly and the "do-gooder" was blurred beyond recognition. He served (or has served) on the board of the National Religious Broadcasters. We have already seen that that group is one of the most compromising parts of the National Association of Evangelicals. For example, Stanley was listed as a speaker for the 1990 convention, along with charismatic Pat Robertson. He has spoken at Moody Founder's Week in 1989 and at the California Graduate School of Theology. The lists of places where these popularizers speak could be made endless, I have given just the ones which I notice in the brochures and reports which cross a pastor's desk.

How do I know that Dr. Charles Stanley is a new evangelical? The simple answer to that is to say that he is a part of the Southern Baptist Convention. There are no fundamentalists in the Convention. Fundamentalism is the militant belief and proclamation of the basic doctrines of Christianity leading to a Scriptural separation from those who reject them. Over the past thirty years, the fundamentalists in the Convention recognized the apostasy and left the sinking ship to found independent Baptist churches all across the south. The media have conspired to muddy the waters on this issue. They describe the battle as one between the conservatives and the moderates. Any study of theology and reality will show that the moderates are higher-critical apostates in the mold of Harry Emerson Fosdick. Fosdick never traveled under false colors; they do, but the theology is the same. The conservatives are really new evangelicals. They repudiate separation from apostasy, as proven by the fact that they are still there. They identify apostasy. They cry loudly against it. They tolerate and dialogue with it. They are doing in the Southern Baptist Convention what Dr. Harold John Ockenga and Fuller Seminary sought to do in the Presbyterian Church.

Dr. Stanley believes in Biblical inerrancy and recognizes the apostasy of the Southern Baptist Convention. Dr. Stanley instructed his church that the way to fight the apostasy was to starve it out by refusing to give to the Cooperative Program. But then, in 1984, Dr. Stanley was elected to the presidency of the Southern Baptist Convention. Would the new president make war on blasphemy within the convention? Dr. David Beale, in his excellent book, S.B,C. House on the Sand, gives Stanley's statement at his first press conference, "I think we have to learn to live together and love each other, whether we agree or not." Dr. Beale reported further: "Dr. Stanley announced to the Baptist Press Association on September 17, 1984, that he had now challenged his church to more than double its Cooperative Program giving for the coming year and to rethink its entire missions program," (If you desire the whole story in detail get Dr. Beale's book from Unusual Publications, Greenville, SC, 29614.) Would the new president clean house of the infidels in Southern Baptist schools? No, Dr. Stanley chose to settle for parity instead of purity. I cannot conceive how any Bible believer could think that God would settle for a parity of belief and unbelief. I guess I would have to term this, "the unequal yoke of equality." What will you do with II Corinthians 6-14-18, II John 7-11, Ephesians 5:11 and II Thessalonians 3:6? The God who demands purity will never settle for parity. This, Friend, is neutralism - an impressive presence in the pulpit with an impotent protest on the field of battle, This is prominent popularizer, Dr Charles Stanley.

Rick Warren builds bridge to Muslims
Feb. 25, 2012  Through years of outreach, Saddleback Church pastor Rick Warren is part of an effort named King's Way that's attempting bring evangelical Christians and Muslims together.
Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest and one of America's most influential Christian leaders, has embarked on an effort to heal divisions between evangelical Christians and Muslims by partnering with Southern California mosques and proposing a set of theological principles that includes acknowledging that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

The effort, informally dubbed King's Way, caps years of outreach between Warren and Muslims. Warren has broken Ramadan fasts at a Mission Viejo mosque, met Muslim leaders abroad and addressed 8,000 Muslims at a national convention in Washington D.C.

Saddleback worshippers have invited Muslims to Christmas dinner and played interfaith soccer at a picnic in Irvine attended by more than 300 people. (The game pitted pastors and imams against teens from both faiths. The teens won.
The effort by a prominent Christian leader to bridge what polls show is a deep rift between Muslims and evangelical Christians culminated in December at a dinner at Saddleback attended by 300 Muslims and members of Saddleback's congregation.

At the dinner, Abraham Meulenberg, a Saddleback pastor in charge of interfaith outreach, and Jihad Turk, director of religious affairs at a mosque in Los Angeles, introduced King's Way as "a path to end the 1,400 years of misunderstanding between Muslims and Christians."

The men presented a document they co-authored outlining points of agreement between Islam and Christianity. The document affirms that Christians and Muslims believe in "one God" and share two central commandments: "love of God" and "love of neighbor." The document also commits both faiths to three goals: Making friends with one another, building peace and working on shared social service projects. The document quotes side-by-side verses from the Bible and the Koran to illustrate its claims.

"We agreed we wouldn't try to evangelize each other," said Turk. "We'd witness to each other but it would be out of 'Love Thy Neighbor,' not focused on conversion."

Saddleback representatives declined to make Warren available for comment. Tom Holladay, associate senior pastor at Saddleback, said the outreach to Muslims is part of Saddleback's PEACE Plan, a wide-ranging effort to solve major world problems by mobilizing governments, businesses and faith communities.

"This is us serving our own community with Muslims here in Orange County," said Holladay. "We realize we don't agree about everything and we're very open about that. ... You just recognize the differences and recognize the points where you can work together."

Warren has faced criticism from some evangelicals for his outreach to Muslims. Late last year, he issued a statement flatly denying rumors that he promulgates what critics term "Chrislam," a merging of Islam and Christianity.

The "rumor is 100 percent false," Warren wrote at, a website he founded that provides practical advice to church leaders. "My life and ministry are built on the truth that Jesus is the only way, and our inerrant Bible is our only true authority."

Having read the rest of this article...WHOOPS!

Polls show that evangelicals are 30 percent more likely than other Christians to hold a negative view of Islam, according to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. Polls also show that evangelicals overwhelmingly favor converting Muslims to Christianity and are more likely to believe that Islam encourages violence.

Warren has repeatedly encouraged evangelicals to set aside such views, arguing that Christians are obliged to treat everyone with love and respect, regardless of faith.
"I don't know if you have noticed this, but God likes variety," Warren told an audience of 8,000 Muslims at a Washington, D.C. convention in 2009, according to a transcript published by the religion news website beliefnet. "People of all beliefs (can) be, and discuss, and, yes, even disagree, without demeaning or debasing each other."

Warren's outreach to Muslims stems directly from his church's location in multi-ethnic Orange County, home to 170,000 Muslims. For 12 years Warren has lived next door to Yasser Barakat, a Muslim from Syria who worships at a Mission Viejo mosque four miles down the road from Saddleback. The Trabuco Canyon neighbors were friends for years before Barakat realized he lived next door to a world-famous Christian pastor.

When Barakat discovered who Warren was, he invited his neighbor to learn more about Islam. "I was talking to him over the fence," Barakat said. "I said, 'Rick, why don't you go to Syria with me? He said, 'Sure, let's talk about it. Let's do it.' "

Warren traveled with Barakat to Syria in 2006, and Warren and his wife, Kay, began attending Iftar meals at the Mission Viejo mosque. Iftar is the evening meal Muslims eat after fasting all day during the holy month of Ramadan. Invitations followed to address Muslim conferences in Long Beach, Washington, D.C., and elsewhere.

"We understand that to some people in the religious community these events may be difficult to swallow," said Yassir Fazaga, imam at the Mission Viejo mosque. "But I believe that we have to begin somewhere and just begin to reach out and be accessible to people when they ask about who we are."

Gwynne Guibord, an ordained Episcopal priest and co-founder of a Los Angeles outreach group that fosters relationships between churches and mosques nationwide, said Saddleback's effort is unprecedented. "I'm not aware of any other evangelical church reaching out to the Muslim community," she said.

Guibord said that when she and Jihad Turk co-founded the Christian-Muslim Consultative Group in 2006, they sent invitations to mosques, the Catholic archdiocese and a variety of mainline Protestant denominations throughout Southern California, but not to evangelical churches.

"I think that many evangelicals feel a mandate to convert people to Christianity," Guibord said. Because the Consultative Group was founded to respond to increasing antagonism between the two faiths, "we would not have made headway" if one side was trying to convert the other, she said. Now, she said, it might be possible to include evangelicals in her group's work.

Turk said the relationship between Saddleback and Muslims, though still in its infancy, has already produced results. "People (at the December dinner) were talking about the bonds they've formed and they were crying," he said. Both sides realized they shared misconceptions about each other's faith.
"We did a quiz at the Christmas dinner," Turk said, "asking basic questions about Islam or Christianity with the scriptures, the Koran or the Bible. And both sides were missing it.... It's an education for everyone."

Barakat said he continues to know Warren as a man who literally loves his neighbor. Barakat said his children could always count on Warren to buy the candy or magazine subscriptions they sold door-to-door for school fundraisers. The Warrens have hosted Barakat's family at a Christmas dinner, he said.

"He calls me his Muslim brother," Barakat said. "It all started with a friendship."

* Crislam

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Chrislam is Spiritual treason!


Rick Warren, Islam and the Real Issue

by Eric Barger
March 7, 2012

Many of you are aware that the Internet and blogosphere are awash with information concerning "Rick Warren builds bridge to Muslims," a story that ran on Thursday, February 23, in the Orange County Register. The story was republished or reported on widely in both the Christian and secular press.  

Reporter Jim Hinch stated that "Warren has embarked on an effort to heal divisions between evangelical Christians and Muslims by partnering with Southern California mosques and proposing a set of theological principles that includes acknowledging that Christians and Muslims worship the same God." The guidelines are called "King's Way."  

The article reported that "Abraham Meulenberg, a Saddleback pastor in charge of interfaith outreach, and Jihad Turk, director of religious affairs at a mosque in Los Angeles, introduced King's Way as 'a path to end the 1,400 years of misunderstanding between Muslims and Christians."

"The men presented a document they co-authored outlining points of agreement between Islam and Christianity. The document affirms that Christians and Muslims believe in 'one God' and share two central commandments: 'love of God' and 'love of neighbor.' The document also commits both faiths to three goals: Making friends with one another, building peace and working on shared social service projects. The document quotes side-by-side verses from the Bible and the Koran to illustrate its claims."

The Register story also quotes the Muslim leader, Turk, as saying "We agreed we wouldn't try to evangelize each other..."

The "King's Way" plan appears to be an outgrowth of a Saddleback small group whose activities are mentioned as follows:  

*4 weeks Small Group Study in your group  

*2 events where you will meet Muslim neighbors (we organize a service project with a meal together and a visit to a mosque)

As wonderful and conciliatory as the February 23 article may sound to some, the basis of it is eerily reminiscent of another such idea that Dr. Warren was and is still a part of - the Yale University Center for Faith and Culture's  2007 paper "A Christian Response to A Common Word Between Us and You," which is based on the premise that we all worship the same God.

Now, nine days after the Orange County Register published the article, Rick Warren is denying most of the content and claiming that the many inaccuracies attributed to him in the article were the ideas of the reporter and not his own. Rick Warren is also calling upon friends and surrogates to help dispel the ideas promulgated by the Register's story.  

In response to the Register's article, Rick Warren told the Christian Post, "First, as I've already said, Christians have a fundamentally different view of God than Muslims. We worship Jesus as God. Muslims don't."

I agree. However, the fact is that Muslims not only "have a fundamentally different view of God" - they have a different god.

As much as I have been critical of Rick Warren in the past (see  this and  this), I want to give him the benefit of the doubt here because I am acutely aware of how the press can misquote and manipulate what one says. While it is not surprising that Warren is now refuting the Register's story and, in effect, is calling reporter Jim Hinch a liar, there are elements that need to be considered. When my Grandpa used to say, "Where there's smoke, there's fire," he was right. If just part of what Hinch reported is true, many more authentic evangelicals would take great exception to Warren, as growing numbers have been for some time.

The real point here is this: When is Rick Warren going to demand that his name be removed from Yale's "A Christian Response to A Common Word Between Us and You"? No matter who is being truthful in the "he said, he said" with the Orange County Register, Warren's statements to the Christian Post distancing himself from the idea that Islam and Christianity both worship the same deity, are not in concert with the spirit of the Yale document, which still bears his name.

Let me add that it is certainly not unheard of for those who call themselves "evangelicals" to reject the notion of winning Muslims to Christ.  Tony Campolo, and others involved with the dubious "Christ at the Checkpoint" conference being held this week at Bethlehem Bible College, holds to this view.  

Concerning Warren and the issue at hand, below are the comments I posted under the  Christian Post story from today:

In 2007 Rick Warren signed the Yale Divinity School's paper ("A Christian Response to A Common Word Between Us and You"). The entire premise of the document was that Islam and Christianity both worship the same "god."

Christians need to wake up to the fact that according to the Qur'an and Hadith, Islam teaches that Christianity is corrupt and must be eliminated. Contrary to what most Christians think, the Muslim "Jesus", Isa, which must appear according to Islam, is a Muslim! Furthermore, the Qur'an itself says that Jesus and his disciples were Muslims (Sura 3:52, 4:171-172, 5:111-112, 5:115-117). Therefore, according to Islam, when Isa comes, he will come as a devout Muslim. Sura 4 denies Isa's divinity and Isa is coming to correct the "errors" of Christianity as a sort of enforcer for the Mahdi. If Allah is really Jehovah, then reading the Qur'an and the Bible proves only that God is schizophrenic. How much clearer does it have to be? Islam serves a "different Jesus," has a "different god," and spreads a "different gospel" (II Cor 11:3-4).

Warren can deny the word "Chrislam" all he wants. He can line up surrogates to speak for him day and night. But until he recants the Yale document and clearly defines that Islam's prophet, Isa, isn't Jesus Christ and that Islam's false god, Allah, isn't Jehovah, lots of us are going to speak louder and louder. No matter how you slice it, to confuse Islam's deity with God Almighty is a denial of the one true and living God and His only Son

U.S. televangelist Robert Schuller leaves church board

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - U.S. televangelist Robert Schuller and his wife have left the board of the California megachurch that they founded and made famous for the "Hour of Power" broadcasts, amid a financial dispute with its leaders.

The resignation of Robert and Arvella Schuller from the Crystal Cathedral board follows the $57.5 million bankruptcy sale in February of the towering, glass-walled church in the Southern California community of Garden Grove to a Roman Catholic diocese.

A Crystal Cathedral representative was not immediately available for comment.

"We cannot continue to serve on the board in what has become an adversarial and negative atmosphere, especially since it now seems that it will not be ending anytime soon," Arvella Schuller said in a statement on Saturday.


I liked Robert Schuller but I strongly didnt like his son at all.

Family Friendly Radio Stations Not So Positive, Wholesome After All?

March 15, 2012|9:26 am

Positive, uplifting, and safe for the whole family.

Those are the taglines of many local Christian radio stations, which are becoming increasingly popular alternatives for parents to tune into during their commute to school, work or soccer practice.

But songwriter and worship leader Kristen Gilles wasn't so sure whether those "kid-friendly" stations were actually what they claimed to be.

"After critically listening to [one of our local Contemporary Christian Music] radio station during my commutes to and from work for the past several weeks, I've found myself asking these questions: Is it really positive? Is it telling the truth? The WHOLE truth?" she questioned on her blog.

Unable to hear foundational Gospel truths proclaimed during the programs and songs – such as total depravity, redemption, repentance and forgiveness – the Sojourn Community Church praise leader felt that Christian radio stations and CCM were preaching a false gospel.

"If Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) is not telling...gospel truths, if instead it's telling listeners that they're 'special' and everything's going to be okay, but without saying anything about the incredibly high price God has paid to make them His own special possession, or what he's done to conquer the power of sin and death, and what he will do in returning to free us from the very presence of sin and evil, then it's not wholesome, positive, safe for the whole family, or helpful," she wrote



LONDON (AP) — Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams is stepping down at the end of the year, calling an end to a tumultuous decade as leader of a global Anglican Communion that has been sharply divided over sexuality and gender.

Williams, 61, renowned for his formidable learning, announced Friday he will take up a new post as master of Magdalene College, Cambridge.

"I would hope that my successor has the constitution of an ox and the skin of a rhinoceros," he said.

He was appointed in 2002 as archbishop of Canterbury, the senior official in the Church of England and the spiritual leader of the Anglican Communion, which says it represents 85 million people worldwide.


Rick Warren: 'Coarsening of our Culture' Concerns Me

For "This Week," I sat down with Pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif. As many Americans celebrate Easter and Passover, I asked Warren about the state of nation spiritually. The full and exclusive interview will air tomorrow morning on "This Week."

TAPPER: When you gave the invocation at President Obama's inauguration and you said the following: 'And as we face these difficult days ahead, may we have a new birth of clarity in our aims, responsibility in our actions, humility in our approaches and civility in our attitudes, even when we differ.'

TAPPER: How are we doing?  What's the state of the nation spiritually?

WARREN: The coarsening of our culture and the loss of civility in our civilization is one of the things that concerns me most about our nation. We don't know how to disagree without being disagreeable. The fact is, you can - you can walk hand-in-hand without seeing eye-to-eye.  And what we need in our country is unity, not uniformity.

There are major differences, politically, religiously, economically in our nation. We have many different streams in our nation. We're not all going to believe the same, and any politician who acts like we do is really -  that's a nice campaign statement. We have major differences. I don't think some of those differences are solvable.

What is solvable is how we treat each other with our differences. As a Christian, I am commanded by Jesus Christ to love everybody. I am not allowed to hate anyone. Other people are allowed to hate me. But as a Christian, I am not allowed to hate anyone. In fact, the Bible tells me in I Peter, show respect to everyone, even people I totally disagree with.

So I'm coming from that viewpoint in that we must return civility to our civilization in order to get on. But the reason I do that is because of the deeper reason, there's a spiritual root to my reason for civility. If you don't have a spiritual root for that reason, then you're going to be - go for the expedient, and that is, 'We need to win. We need to win in this issue. We need to win in this election. We need to win in this.'

And it becomes - you can't fix the problem as long as you're fixing the blame. And the thing that I dislike the most about our current American discourse is people are constantly blaming everybody else. I tell my members, you spell blame B-LAME. And any time a leader blames somebody else, he or she is being lame. And we need to get - we can't fix the problem until we stop fixing the blame.

^^ about the pot calling the kettle black!

Warren's "Purple Haze"

REMEMBER THIS!  Exclamation  
The Beast System of Revelation 13 ... yes  ...  666 !
 Evil or Very Mad
They view Rick Warren as 'christian.'

Rev. Wright Unleashed: ‘White Supremacy’ Drives ‘World Policy,’ Allah & Yahweh Are the ‘Same’…and Clarence Thomas Is Worshipping ‘Some Other God’


“The god of racists is not the God of righteousness. The god of the greedy is not the God of grace. The god of Wall Street is not the God of Main Street,” Wright proclaimed. “Those are two different gods and I ain’t talking about Allah and Yahweh. Those are the same names for the same God.”

Chuck Colson reportedly near death
4/19/12  Chuck Colson, an aide to President Richard Nixon who was convicted in the Watergate scandal, is near death after having surgery more than two weeks ago, according to a statement from the Christian ministry he founded.
Colson, 80, underwent the surgery to remove a blood clot on his brain.

by David Cloud
Roman Catholic Michael Timmis is chairman of Prison Fellowship, which was founded by Chuck Colson, who remains on the board as Chairman Emeritus. (Moody Monthly, August 1998). (Timmis is also on the Promise Keepers board of directors. )

Colson is completely dedicated to ecumenism. He has worked diligently to break down the walls of Biblical separation between Bible-believing Christians and denominations which promote liberal theology and false gospels. His wife is a Roman Catholic, and he is a signer of Evangelicals and Catholics Together I and II which call for closer working relations between Protestants and Catholics.

Colson wrote the foreword to Catholic Keith Fournier's book Evangelical Catholics, published in 1990. Consider an excerpt from Colson's foreword" root, those who are called of God, whether Catholic or Protestant, are part of the same Body. What they share is a belief in the basics: the virgin birth, the deity of Christ, His bodily resurrection, His imminent return, and the authority of His infallible Word. They also share the same mission: presenting Christ as Savior and Lord to a needy world. Those who hold to these truths and act on this commission are evangelical Christians.

It's high time that all of us who are Christians come together regardless of the difference of our confessions and our traditions and make common cause to bring Christian values to bear in our society. When the barbarians are scaling the walls, there is no time for petty quarreling in the camp. ... We have much to forgive, much to relearn. But Evangelical Catholics can help us do both so we can band together against the rising tides of secularism which threaten to engulf us".

The only way to label a Catholic an evangelical is to change the historical definition of both terms. A look at the Vatican II declarations and the New Catholic Catechism leaves no doubt of this. Secularism cannot be defeated with a disobedient alliance between true and false Christianity.

In his book The Body, Colson called on evangelicals to "join forces with Catholics and Charismatics in the common cause to combat cultural relativism." He said, "The body of Christ, in all its diversity, is created with Baptist feet, charismatic hands, and Catholic ears--all with their eyes on Jesus." Colson praised the Catholic chain of command, and included he Catholic Church as part of the body of Christ. The book was endorsed by Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Carl F. Henry, and Catholic priest Richard John Neuhaus. The late Roman Catholic Cardinal John O'Connor endorsed Colson's book in a Christianity Today advertisement (Christianity Today, July 19, 1993).

Chuck Colson, Nixon 'hatchet man' turned evangelist, dies at 80
Charles W. Colson, who served as a political saboteur for President Richard M. Nixon, masterminded some of the dirty tricks that led to the president’s downfall, then emerged from prison to become an important evangelical leader, saying he had been “born again,” died Saturday. He was 80.

The cause was complications resulting from a brain hemorrhage, according to a statement from Prison Fellowship Ministries, which Mr. Colson founded in Lansdowne, Va.

Mr. Colson had brain surgery to remove a clot after becoming ill on March 30 while speaking at a conference, according to Jim Liske, the group’s chief executive.

Mr. Colson was sent to prison after pleading guilty to obstructing justice in the Watergate affair. After having what he called his religious awakening behind bars, he spent much of the rest of his life ministering to prisoners, preaching the Gospels and helping to forge a coalition among Republican politicians, evangelical church leaders and Roman Catholic conservatives, helping to change the very dynamics of American politics.
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