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COVENANT WITH DEATH? * No E Jlem building for 2 years
COVENANT WITH DEATH?
No East Jerusalem building for 2 years
Ramat Shlomo town is in East Jerusalem
May 9, 2010 Israeli pledge made at start of 'peace' talks.
'If either Israel or the Palestinians takes any
steps which jeopardize the negotiations, he will hold that
side, and that side alone, responsible for the failure of the talks'
Hamas Palestinian terrorists continued shooting at Israel from Gaza, given to them in 2005 for peace.
Israel has agreed to freeze construction in east Jerusalem's Ramat Shlomo for two years,
the US State Department said Sunday, following the completion of the first round of indirect Middle East peace talks.
State Department spokesman Philip Crowley said both Israel and the Palestinians had taken some steps to create an atmosphere conducive to successful talks,
including the Israeli pledge of no construction in the neighborhood. Ramat Shlomo was at the center of a storm between Jerusalem and Washington in April,
when the approval of some 1,600 housing units there was revealed during US Vice President Joe Biden's visit to Israel.
Crowley said in a statement that US special envoy George Mitchell had left the Middle East after concluding talks characterized as serious and wide-ranging.
Mitchell told the parties that progress was important so they could move to direct negotiations resulting in a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Over the next four months, Mitchell will ply the road between the offices of Abbas and Netanyahu to try to narrow vast differences over the terms of Palestinian independence.
Crowley said that Mitchell would return in a week for another round of shuttle diplomacy.
Just after the completion of Sunday's negotiations, US President Barack Obama issued a firm warning to both Israel and the Palestinians.
Obama said that if either Israel or the Palestinian Authority takes any steps which jeopardize the negotiations,
the US will hold that side, and that side alone, responsible for the failure of the talks, Channel 2 reported.
Earlier Sunday, speaking after a meeting between PA President Mahmoud Abbas and Mitchell,
chief Palestinian Authority negotiator Saeb Erekat said he hoped Israel would give the process a chance, rather than setting facts on the ground that will complicate the talks.
However, he said the Palestinians would only agree to direct talks should Israel impose a complete settlement construction freeze.
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, meanwhile, congratulated the Palestinian Authority on agreeing to enter the proximity peace talks
At the start of the cabinet meeting, the prime minister stressed the government’s success in insisting that the
Palestinians enter the negotiations without preconditions, and the need to quickly progress to direct talks.
GAZA and WESTBANK terrorism
Calamity called a Palestinian state
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No East Jerusalem construction for 2 yearsPMO Abbas downplays vow, says building wasnt meant to begin yet anyway.
Palestinians and Muslims never ever keep their word. NEVER!
Obama's deal (?) with Abbas is meaningless.
All Abbas has to do is shift the blame for attacks on Israel to Hamas, who is ruled by a coward hiding in Syria.
No East Jerusalem construction for 2 years
May 10, 2010 Ramat Shlomo town is in East Jerusalem
The US State Department issued a statement Sunday saying the Palestinian Authority and Israel are taking steps to create an atmosphere conducive to successful talks,
with Israel committing itself not to build in Jerusalem’s Ramat Shlomo neighborhood for two years.
EVIL “Special Envoy Mitchell left the Middle East on Sunday, after completing the first round of proximity talks with Israeli and Palestinian leaders. The talks were serious and wide-ranging,” the statement read.
“Both parties are taking some steps to help create an atmosphere that is conducive to successful talks, including
[Palestinian Authority] President [Mahmoud] Abbas’ statement that he will work against incitement of any sort, and
Prime Minister [Binyamin] Netanyahu’s statement that there will be no construction at the Ramat Shlomo project for two years,” the statement continued.
“They are both trying to move forward in difficult circumstances and we commend them for that.”
Netanyahu explains decision on northern J'lem neighborhood
Soon after the State Department released the statement, sources close to Netanyahu released a statement of their own,
explaining the commitment regarding Ramat Shlomo, the northern Jerusalem neighborhood where plans to build 1,600 new homes were
publicized during Vice President Joe Biden’s visit here in March, triggering a crisis in US-Israel ties.
According to the sources close to Netanyahu, the prime minister announced during Biden’s visit that for all practical purposes, the planning process for
Ramat Shlomo would continue for another year, and actual construction would only begin in a number of years.
“A description of that situation was made known to the American administration,” the sources said.
In fact, just before Biden delivered his supportive parting speech at Tel Aviv University,
which Jerusalem erroneously thought signaled the end of the Ramat Shlomo crisis, the Prime Minister’s Office put out a statement that read,
“The Prime Minister informed the Vice President that this specific project [Ramat Shlomo] had moved through various planning stages over several years.
The final approval process will in all likelihood take more than a year and the beginning of actual construction would likely take several years.”
That statement, according to sources close to Netanyahu, served as the basis for Sunday’s State Department statement about Ramat Shlomo.
This was an important clarification for the PMO since, in recent days, Netanyahu’s spokesmen had said repeatedly that he made no commitment to a construction freeze in Jerusalem.
US: We have received commitments, made assurances
According to the State Department statement, the US had received “commitments from both sides, and we have made assurances to both sides, that are enabling us to move forward.
The full scope of these discussions will remain private.”
Sources close to Netanyahu sought, however, to clarify that these commitments did not pertain to Jerusalem,
saying that Netanyahu has “made it clear throughout that construction and planning in Jerusalem will continue as usual,
just as has been the case with every Israeli government in the last 43 years, and no Israeli commitments were given on this matter.”
Regarding other commitments, the sources said Netanyahu said he would be willing to initiate Israeli “gestures” during the talks, in parallel with signs of “good will” from the Palestinians.
The State Department statement also contained a thinly veiled threat:
“As both parties know, if either takes significant actions during the proximity talks that we judge would seriously undermine trust,
we will respond to hold them accountable and ensure that negotiations continue.”
Mitchell, according to the statement, will return next week to continue the proximity talks, and
“emphasized the importance of making progress in these talks to enable the parties to move to direct negotiations that will result in a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Our overall goal remains a comprehensive peace in the Middle East.”
PM calls for direct talks, Erekat digresses
Netanyahu, while again welcoming the PA’s agreement to enter indirect peace talks, said it was inconceivable that decisions on critical issues would be made without the sides sitting in the same room.
“Peace cannot be made from a distance or by remote control, especially given that we and the Palestinians are neighbors,” the prime minister said at the opening of Sunday’s weekly cabinet meeting.
“Over time it is inconceivable that we will make decisions and agreements on critical issues such as security and our national interests, and theirs as well,
without sitting together in the same room,” he said.
“Therefore, as soon as possible, the proximity talks will need to lead to direct talks in which we will continue the effort to reach the
peace and security that will enable us to live alongside the Palestinians for generations.”
PA negotiator Saeb Erekat, meanwhile, said after Mitchell met Abbas on Sunday that direct talks would only be possible were Israel to impose a complete freeze on settlement construction.
Construction throughout Jerusalem will continueConstruction throughout Jerusalem will continue
May 10, 2010 Following reports of construction freeze in Ramat Shlomo, capital's mayor vows to build.
Landau: Freeze is 'error', but Edelstein adopts PM's position
Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat vowed to continue building throughout the capital early Monday morning,
just a few hours after US Evil Envoy George Mitchell announced that Israel had agreed to freeze construction in east Jerusalem's Ramat Shlomo neighborhood.
In a statement released in his name, Barkat wrote,
"The real test is of practical steps – the municipality continues to advance building in all parts of the city, in accordance with master plans for Jews and Arabs alike.
We expect the Interior Ministry and the Housing Ministry to approve the plans and assist in the effort to preserve the young population and the hold on Jerusalem, which suffers from lack of housing, to stop the emigration from the city.
We trust the prime minister not to approve a freeze in Jerusalem, not in words and not in deeds."
The Palestinians are saying the opposite – the construction freeze is a fact that will continue, even if it is not announced officially.
"The real test is not in declarations, but deeds.
The Palestinians are committed to maintaining the freeze and understand that for the sake of the negotiations' success,
Netanyahu's constraints must be taken into account too," Palestinian sources said, adding that this did not mean that the prime minister's acts would be ignored.
Netanyahu's error, said Landau (and it is )
Minister of National Infrastructure Uzi Landau, currently in Costa Rica, expressed his concern over the announcement of a freeze, in spite of the denials heard from sources close to Netanyahu.
"I am not familiar with all the details, but if what I heard is true, this is a serious error.
I intend to say so to Netanyahu, and I will express the same opinion before the entire government," the minister said.
Mitchell's announcement also included an unusual and specific threat: if the proximity talks were to fail, the responsibility would be on the side that took steps that significantly undermined confidence in the process.
In contrast to Landau, Minister of Information and Diaspora Yuli Edelstein was calm and willing to adopt the position of the prime minister.
"When criticism is called for, I don’t hesitate to give it, but I don't think now is the time for it," he said.
"There is nothing new here. When (US Vice President Joe) Biden was here it was said that the approval for construction would take years,
and so there is anyway no chance that new housing units in Ramat Shlomo will take shape within the next two or three years."
Edelstein noted, that "even the US didn't call this 'Netanyahu's commitment,' but a clarification in his name.
I don't think we're talking about something that can change the government's consistent stance or the position of its leader – according to which construction in Jerusalem will continue, in all parts of the city."
He also noted that on Sunday the government had dedicated an hour and a half to the discussion on Jerusalem, in which the issue of the freeze had not even been mentioned.
But the minister was also pessimistic about the chances of success with the proximity talks, blaming the Palestinians.
"The Americans are really trying to promote the process in a problematic framework.
If they bring the two sides together to negotiate – great, but in the current atmosphere in the PA, it's hard to see how we'll move on to direct talks.
They are looking for excuses to blame Israel instead of trying to progress."
Israeli Arab Incitement over Temple MountIsraeli Arab Incitement over Temple Mount
May 9, 2010 / 25 Iyyar,5770
Israeli Arabs, along with the entire Arab world, have escalated a propaganda campaign to stir up agitation as great or greater than that of the PA,
while Israel complains to the United States that the Palestinian Authority is guilty of incitement against Israel.
The Israeli government has raised the issue of the PA with U.S. Middle East envoy George Mitchell, but the other provocations are far beyond his reach.
The Islamic Movement, headed by Arabs holding Israeli citizenship and living in the north, recently posted an announcement charging that
“Israel Occupation Forces” attacked Muslim worshippers at the Al Aqsa mosque on the Temple Mount. (The Muslims were rioting,NOT worshipping.)
There were no reports from the police or from Israel about it and foreign media mentioned no such attack.
The Movement’s website posted an announcement, translated by Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), stating,
"We strictly denounce the vicious and criminal attack perpetrated today after Friday prayer. Al-Aqsa is our mosque.”
The Saudi Arabia-based Arab News website, while describing King Abdullah as the “Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques,” noted that he” initiated the setting up of an Al-Quds uprising fund” i
n addition to proposing the 2002 plan that Israel surrender all of the land restored to the Jewish State in the Six-Day War in 1967.
Saudi Arabia suggested that if Israel were to agree to its plan, the Arab League would normalize diplomatic relations with Israel.
The British-based Muslim News website reported that nine Arabs were wounded in a clash with during an arrest by police, who allegedly “attempted to kidnap a number of residents,”
with the term ”kidnap” becoming more common in Arab media when Israeli security forces arrest suspected terrorists.
On Friday, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Sheikh Tayssir Tamimi, warned that Israeli development plans in Jerusalem are aimed at excluding Muslims and Christians.
“Jerusalem is Arab land,” he said in a report by Eurasia Review, which added,
“The Mufti also warned that by 2014 Israel is planning an ‘exclusively Jewish district’ in Jerusalem where any signs of a Christian or Muslim presence would be forbidden.”
The same report repeated previous Palestinian Authority allegations that excavation work in the Old City has damaged the structure of the Al Aqsa mosque.
The facts are different. During the period from 1949-1967, when Jordan occupied Judea and Samaria and parts of Jerusalem, it prohibited Jews from visiting the Western Wall and also banned Christians, except for high-profile dignitaries, from all holy sites. Since Israel regained sovereignty in the areas in the 1967 Six-Day War, it opened all of the holy sites to members of all religions and has acted to preserve them.
IAF strikes Gaza tunnels in response to attackIAF strikes Gaza tunnels in response to attack, SELF DEFENSE by ISRAEL
May 10, 2010 Day after rocket hits Negev region, Rafah residents hear loud explosions near smuggling tunnels; army says Hamas responsible for all that goes on in Strip
Israeli aircraft attacked two targets in south Gaza late Sunday night in response to the firing of a Qassam rocket Saturday evening towards the western Negev region.
The army said hits were identified, but there were no reports of casualties.
Residents of Rafah reported hearing loud explosions near the underground smuggling tunnels situated along the Strip's border with Egypt.
"The IDF holds Hamas solely responsible for what goes on in Gaza," the Israeli army said in a statement.
The rocket that was fired from Gaza Saturday evening exploded south of Ashkelon.
The Color Red anti-rocket alert system was activated at several southern communities.
The rocket landed in an open area in the Ashkelon Beach regional council; no injuries or damages were reported in the attack.
The last rocket that hit Israeli territory was fired from the Gaza Strip more than a month ago.
Despite the relative quiet, unfortunately we're used to it (rocket attacks).
When we heard the Color Red alert, my daughters and I ran to the secure room and so did all other kibbutz residents."
HAMAS in prophecy
Hamas will cover the earth - as the Days of Noah
The Last Days will be as the days of Noah when Hamas - violence, lawlessness - will cover the earth as the waters of creation before Day 1.
Hebrew teaching on 'HAMAS' (chamas)
As the days of Noah so will Hamas cover the earth.
This is everywhere in Tanach. One just has to know the Hebrew. The first occurrence is in Genesis 6:11.
Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. Genesis 6:11
HAMAS in prophecy
Gen 6:11 The earth H776 also was corrupt H7843 before H6440 God H430 and the earth H776 was filled H4390 with violence.H2555
Some translations translate Hamas violence and some lawlessness. This is what Strong's has to say about Hamas:
châmâs = HAMAS (khaw-mawce') From H2554
violence; by implication wrong; by metonymy unjust gain: - cruel (-ty), damage, false, injustice,
X oppressor, unrighteous, violence (against, done), violent (dealing), wrong.
This is what the Malbim says regarding Hamas (Gen. 6:11):
Noah was a righteous man, he was upright-the earth was filled with lawlessness (hamas): wrongdoing, corruption of the law, robbing the rights of others.
And corresponding to number 1 above, the animate aspects which provide that there should at least prevail natural norms and ordinances
(such as not to murder or take other men's wives by force)
the narrative discloses that G-d reviewed the earth and beheld it to be corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted, even its natural (earths) ways.
Isaiah alludes to a three-fold corruption:
Transgression of Torath, the teaching of God, changed the ordinances, that is the norms of civilization, overturned the covenant of the world,
that is the norms imposed by nature and without which man cannot survive.
(to the effect thaty all flesh had corrupted its ways-the way in which man survives, i.e. within nature.)
The Baal HaTurim interestingly says: Hamas (I will spare you the variant spellings)
the gematria of the hamas is 108 equal to the waters of Noach, Isaiah 54:9)
Thus they were to be measured, measure for measure. Morever, the gematria is equal to the Gehinnom (Hell).
Gematria is the numberical equvilient of the letters in a word. This was common in ancient languages to have a lette represent a certain numerical value.
Sunni Islam plans to rule the earth
Sunni Islam, the Muslim Brotherhood jihad terrorists, fully plan to rule / cover the earth
As in the days of Noah so Hamas will cover the earth, prophecy in action.
Hamas, like Egypt is MB which plans to rule the earth.
Turk PM Erdogan is MB, and in cahoots with Obama, so is Qatar.
Qatar is 86% Sunni and hates Israel.
The Islamic world is predominantly Sunni.
Many Muslims in the MidEast Persian Gulf region are Shiite. The Shia are about 15% worldwide.
Shia dominate the population of Iran, compose a majority in Iraq, and are significant minorities in
Saudi Arabia (95% Sunni), Lebanon (22% Sunni), Pakistan (77% Sunni), and Syria (74% Sunni).
Turkey 85% Sunni.
Qatar is 86% Sunni and hates Israel.
Read 1 Peter 3, Matthew 24, Isaiah 54:9, Genesis 1
Good Mideast MAP here
Did the Flood Really Cover the WHOLE Earth?
Read 1 Peter 3, Matthew 24, Isaiah 54:9
For clarification, while it is true that the waters (mayim) covered the earth in Genesis 1 the term used for waters is not the same as hamas violence/lawlessness/robbery which occurs later in Genesis.
If hamas (violence/lawlessness/robbery) occurred as the first utterance of God, it would not testify to His goodness and the goodness of His creation.
The violence/lawlessness did not happen until Genesis Chapter 6:11
although as we know the corruption began earlier in the genesis narrative, thus showing that it was not G-d who caused these characteristics in man, but G-d allowing free-will to man, and man choosing his evil inclinations.
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A Covenant With Death
Hear the word of the LORD, you scoffers who rule this people in Jerusalem.
You boast, We have entered into a covenant with Death. When an overwhelming scourge sweeps
by, it cannot touch us, for we have made a lie our refuge and falsehood our hiding place.
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone,
a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation, the one who trusts will never be dismayed.
I will make Justice the measuring line and righteousness the plumb line,
hail will sweep away your refuge, the lie, and water will overflow your hiding place.
Your covenant with death will be annulled, your agreement with the grave will not stand.
When the overwhelming scourge sweeps by, you will be beaten down by it.
In 2005 Israel gave up the Gaza Strip for peace with the Palestinians.
This angered GOD and HE sent Hurricane Katrina to punish the USA.
Ariel Sharon who did the deed died and remains plugged in on a slab.
Israel needs to unplug him and bury him!
Since then things have only gotten worse for Israel.
By making treaties with countries committed to their demise, the Israelites were fooling themselves.
LOOK what happened to Sharon when he gave away Gaza - and now Netanyahu wants to meet a bad end too?
Israeli policies of appeasement generate agreements based on wishful thinking that would be quickly broken
whenever the enemy found it convenient to do so. This policy is self-deception. Having rejected the
One who came in His Fathers Name they will accept the one who comes in his own name. John 5:43
The coming treaty with the anti-Christ will just about bring them to ruin.
Can Israel sign agreement with those who hate it?