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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:28 pm    Post subject: JERUSALAM in NEWS and Bible Prophecy (ISIS-Jlem)  Reply with quote


Jerusalem to be Divided by European Union  
02 Dec 2009


The EU is cursing itself!

Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem, and that the enemies of God will not triumph over her.

I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat,
and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel,
whom they have scattered among the nations - and parted my land!
Joel 3:2

This will be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the peoples who have gone to war against Jerusalem.
Their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, and their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongue will rot in their mouth.
Zechariah 14:12-13

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June 2011
This thread is for Jerusalem in NEWS and Prophecy - NOT general Jlem news.
I am combining several threads into ONE which related to Jerusalem in prophecy.

Also see

Israel Rejects Freeze, Jerusalem building is justified
Several posts so I didnt move it here

Hurva synagogue, Potential for Violence in Jerusalem

Jerusalem's Rebellion, Redemption, Restoration

History of Israel, Noah's sons

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject: EU NO LONGER SOVEREIGN Reply with quote

At midnight last night,
the United Kingdom ceased to be a sovereign state

December 1st, 2009       By Daniel Hannan
We woke up in a different country today. Alright, it doesn’t look very different. The trees still seem black against the winter sun; the motorways continue to jam inexplicably; commuters carry on avoiding eye contact. But Britain is no longer a sovereign nation. At midnight last night, we ceased to be an independent state, bound by international treaties to other independent states, and became instead a subordinate unit within a European state.

Yes, a European state. Take a quick dekko at the definition set out in Article One of the1933 Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States: “The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.”

Until yesterday, the EU qualified on grounds (a), (b) and (c). Now it has ticked the final box. Under the Lisbon Treaty, which came into force today, it acquires “legal personality”, which gives it the right to sign accords and treat with other states. Nor is this right simply theoretical: the EU now has a foreign minister, a diplomatic corps (the European External Action Service) and 160 overseas embassies.

Until yesterday, the EU could not annex additional policy areas without a new treaty, which needed to be ratified by all its constituent nations. Now, it has the so-called “passerelle” clause, or self-amending mechanism. Parliament, in other words, no longer has the final say on extensions of EU jurisdiction. The EU derives its authority, not from its 27 members, but from its own foundational texts.

Until yesterday, Britain could simply walk out of the EU by abrogating the Treaty of Rome and repealing the 1972 European Communities Act. Henceforth, it will have to go through the secession procedure laid down in Lisbon. In other words – in the minds of Euro-lawyers, at any rate, if not of British constitutionalists – the EU gets to settle the terms on which its members are allowed to leave. Formal sovereignty has been shifted from the national capitals to Brussels.

It is appalling, demeaning, disgraceful that such a thing should have been done without popular consent, and in the absence of the referendum that all three parties had promised. “There’s no point in crying over spilt milk,” you might say. True. But there is every point in mopping it up.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing the biblical balance on the Jews/Israel is probably the hardest thing to grasp.
You have 1 extreme, the Christian Zionists, on the one hand who think b/c the Jews are God's chosen people, that they have a free ticket to heaven period.
On the other extreme, you have those that think Israel is this Zionist, synagogue of Satan state, and those poor Palestinians have every right to their land.

Of course, the fact of the matter is that yes, the current state of Israel is a Zionist state, and yes, we need to WITNESS to these Jews, NOT kiss up to them. However - God is NOT done with Israel(i.e. Zechariah 12:4 or 10), and scripture CLEARLY states that Israel IS their land.

Again - very hard to grasp, but the only thing to do is to just believe, pray, and not waste any time pondering.
BTW - one of Maitreya's agendas is to create 'peace' b/w the Jews and the Palestinians, giving the Palestinians more sympathy.

Also - Dr Scott Johnson did separate teachings on the warnings of Christian Zionism/Hebrew Roots movement, and the warnings of Obama dividing the land of Israel.
Guess what, he got loads of hate mail over BOTH - they called him anti-Semetic with the former, and a Zionist with the latter.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ISRAEL is GOD's land.
JERUSALEM is the City of GOD.
He put His Name there - literally.

The descendants by blood of Jacob (Israel) are GOD's chosen people.
However sinful - and the ARE - they are still His chosen by HIS covenant which He cannot break His own Word.

The world is AGAIN crying out - even MORE insistent - to divide Jerusalem.

Obama assures Jewish evacuation
He has NO right to issue such assurance!!!

Dec 10  Obama assured the Palestinians that most Jews in the West Bank will be evacuated.
He promised the Palestinians that their state will encompass most of the West Bank and eastern Jerusalem.
When Bush demanded Israel evict Jews from their homes and livlihoods in Gaza in 2005, they gave Hamas terrorists territory
from which to constantly attack Israel.  GOD was angry at the USA and sent Hurricane Katrina.
If the US pushes Israel further, will GOD split the USA in half along the Mississippi River?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:06 am    Post subject: ISRAEL Approves 666 Reply with quote

ISRAEL Approves 666

Dec 8, 2009  Israeli Knesset approved The Big Brother bill Biometric Database Law, paving the way for the introduction of smart  ID for all Israelis.
Database will be voluntary for 2 years, then mandatory.  The documents will include a micro-chip,
photos.  This provides fertile ground for computer hackers and violates privacy rights.  Jerusalem Post

Updated July 2010

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Dr Johnson did a LONG 16 or 17 part series on the deceptions of the Christian Zionsim/Hebrew Roots movement - he talked in depth how sectors of Judaism et al were trying to yoke Christians back into bondage with this Hebrew Roots movement - getting them to translate the New Testament in Hebrew - of course, all but maybe Matthew is translated in Greek, so trying to translate it in Hebrew will get some very darnable results, one being that people are going to get deceived that we're saved by the law, and not by grace. Even Paul and the other Apostles warned in Galatians and other books like Timothy(i.e. those 'Jewish fables')about the Jews trying to bring the Christians back in bondage. He went on to say that this was just another way to deceive Christians to get this One World Religion merged. I mean, IMHO, with all the talk over how Rick Warren's PDL is polluting 100s of churches, this Christian Zionism movement has been a silent cancer.

However - when it comes to Israel, Scott thinks it's utter nonsense how this country is this so-called 'synogogue of Satan'. Yes, while he acknowledged that the Rothchilds and the Rockefellers may have had their fingerprints on it when it back back in the late 40's, nonetheless, like you are saying above, Israel IS God's land, and he's not done with the Jews yet. He also added that if Israel gets into the hands of the Palestines and their wicked Islam religion, then VERY rotten consequences will happen. No wonder why bad calamities happen when Israel's land has been given away over its history - remember 2 weeks before Katrina happened, some 9000 or so Jewish settlers were kicked off the Gaza strip? Or remember Clinton's peace agreement in 1993, and there was that 40 days straight of terrible rain?
So ultimately, yes, while Scott acknowledges that modern day Judaism, and the Kabala for that matter, are doctrines from Hell, he can NOT side with the Palestinians and their Islam religion if he had to choose b/w the 2.

Ultimately, Scott is looking at everything through a BIBLICAL perspective. And like mentioned above, Scott got tons of hate email both ways(anti-Semetic with one teaching, and Zionist with the other).

Again - this is one area I struggle with this too. We can't give Judaism a free pass, but en yet, the Jews and their land ARE God's chosen. It's no different from interpreting Romans 13 - while we can't follow the government blindly in everything they do, that doesn't mean we Christians have a right to revolt against an evil government.
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Some of the Hebrew Roots and Sacred Name people are practicing witches.
They use 'messianic christianity' to promote legalism.

Most Messianic congregations are wonderful!  Visit one!
Loving our Hebrew roots completes our own history out of our own Egypt!
I love the Passover seder meal!

The Lord Jesus Christ died on PASSOVER - not easter!
He was the final perfect Lamb of GOD.

By the way, Jesus was born in September - not December.
December is a pagan holiday of earth worshippers.

It is hard to pull the thorns in the Hebrew roots people.
If they tell you that you cant call Jesus 'Jesus' but you must call him "Yeshua" - they are WRONG.

Our Jesus Saviour is called by a different name in many world languages.
He hears them all.  God looks on the HEART.

The LORD does not look at the things man looks at.
Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.

1 Samuel 16:7

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Jerusalem Jerusalem are you ready for the worse?
Your enemies have surrounded you and they will subjugate you, not through war but through peace.
You will capitulate and will make peace with them but not through Me.
Did I not give you a sword in you hand?  The sword I placed in your hand is not to capitulate with your enemies that I despise, but the sword is to dominate them, but you will capitulate.
They will be glad and you will mourn. ”Jerusalem Jerusalem, a handful of your soil I wish I could have, because on your ground the Lord walked but you did not know Him.
Jerusalem Jerusalem a drop of water of  your springs I wish I could drink, because from the water of your springs the Lord did drink, but you pursued Him.

You are not alone Jerusalem. My prophets fight for you. My prophets are chased, even pursued in your favor but defeat will not overtake them, because with victory they will be crowned. Victory in your favor.
Jerusalem Jerusalem, did I not torture My soul in your favor? Did I not harass My Spirit in your favor?
Jerusalem Jerusalem, birthplace of my mother what would I not give to make you return?
Return Jerusalem, return Jerusalem. Your bridegrooms were not bridegrooms.
I did not prepare them for you my daughter but the Samaritan woman spoke the truth.

Five husbands did I take and the one that I have now is not mine.
Jerusalem Jerusalem, five bridegrooms you have taken and the one you now have is not yours.
Return to Me and I will give you the Real One.

The first bridegroom was the Ethiopian, the one in the good looks, in the good looks of Sodom that Lot chose and not Me.

The second was the Egyptian. The peaceful slavery. Peace even as slaves.

The third was the Medopersian because you said that two will protect me better than one.

The fourth was Alexander. The man who protected man from other man. But they are all men.

The fifth was the Roman, the world emperor, the Caesar who had the whole earth under his feet but I have him under My feet.
He was the master of the whole earth but you are not of  this earth, still you were enslaved.

The one you now have is the one to reveal himself. Through them you did seek for peace but you did not find peace.
You made a testament of marriage with them, still you are childless.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerusalem: a cup of trembling and a burdensome stone

20 Nov 2010  

The prophecy of Zechariah Chapter 12 was written approximately 2500 years ago predicting a future day when the world's focus would be on Jerusalem:

"Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem."
"And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it."

Further in verses 7,8 and 9, the prophecy makes it clear that God will ultimately save the city and its people, but to the surrounding nations, the attempted conquest of Jerusalem will cause them great trouble, and to every nation pressuring to lift Jerusalem out of Jewish control, it will prove to be a heavy burden, and be injurious to them all.

This is widely regarded as an end time prophecy, and by examining the current geo-political and spiritual situation of the Middle East conflict, it is safe to say, the time-frame of this prophecy is upon us.

The words to Israel's national anthem, "Hatikvah" (The Hope) written in 1886 by Naphtali Herz Imber, express the powerful emotion and inmost God-given desire of the Jewish people,
and the deep longing of the Jewish heart while living in exile among the nations,  for their home-land.  
Praying, they faced Jerusalem, and never gave up the hope for their promised return there, as prophesied in the word of God.
Isaiah 11:11-12; Ezekiel 36:8-11 Ezekiel 37:21-22; Ezekiel 38:8, Isaiah 43:5-6; Jeremiah 31:7-10

Today, millons of Jewish people have returned, and many are still making aliyah,  as prophesied in the Bible, and the hope remains strong and revered by many as their God-given right to dwell in the land.

Hatikvah - The Hope
Israeli national anthem
(English Translation from Hebrew)

As long as the Jewish spirit is yearning deep in the heart,
With eyes turned toward the East, looking toward Zion,
Then our hope - the two-thousand-year-old hope - will not be lost:
To be a free people in our land,
The land of Zion and Jerusalem.

However, the Islamic community, the nations surrounding Israel (Psalm 83:4-8 ) the International community (Quartet: Russia, EU, UN, US) and the Vatican - all have a different goal in mind for Jerusalem.
They would all remove complete Jewish control over the city and erase the Jewish victory of June 1967 (miraculous) 6 day war, and either divide Jerusalem, or attempt a complete conquest of it, if they could.
The call of the world at this time then, is the attempt to lift this 'Immovable rock', but in return, to only find that the word of God is the unshakeable truth.
The harm and pressure intended to attempt to change it, will prove burdensome for them. Jerusalem will be a cup of trembling to those who attempt to take it from Israel.

At the current time, The U.S. and Israel are negotiating a deal that would effectively bring both the Palestinians and Israel back to the table for direct peace talks,
under the pressure of the allied International community with the prospect to bring about a '2 state solution' that would 'solve' the middle east conflict, supposedly.
The negotiations are stalled at the moment because Israel is waiting for a letter of promise back from the U.S. Obama administration assuring them that they will not impose a freeze or apply pressure on Israel as they continue to build in East Jerusalem.

Israeli Government has stated strongly that 'Jerusalem is not a settlement it is our Capital!"
Israel is contemplating a freeze in Judea and Samaria, as part of these negotiations being pressured upon them,  on the condition of security guarantees, military gestures including 20 aircraft.  
Israel has stated previously  that Jerusalem is not to be included in this round of talks.
However, the letter back from the U.S. is slow in coming back, because the U.S. Obama administration does not want Israel to continue building in East Jerusalem.  
Jerusalem is a burdensome stone!

Israel is like a super-sign to the entire world that the word of God is the truth.  
With each passing day, as Jerusalem becomes more and more the center of the world's attention, it will become increasingly difficult for anyone to dispute the incredible accuracy of these ancient prophecies.
Truly, the time to seek God is now, if you don't know Him.  Zechariah Chapter 12  ends with the Messiah's prophesied return.

9  And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10  I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced;
and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

~ Let us Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem ~ Psalm 122

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