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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:02 pm    Post subject: False Teachers in Churches, wolves  Reply with quote




Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
Ephesians 5:11

Is It Unbiblical to Name False Teachers?
After our Worldview Weekend Rally in Rockford, Illinois on Sunday night November 21, 2010, we were informed that the church we had been renting for the past few years does not want us to return. What is really sad is this is the church in which my wife grew up and has included five generations of her family dating back to her great grandparents on both sides of her family. One set of great grandparents were two of the original 13 founders of this church.

At the conclusion of our November 21, 2010, Rockford Worldview Weekend we were told that three months before the rally the church staff had voted for Worldview Weekend not to return in 2011 because our 2009 rally was thought by some of the church staff to be too negative and that it was inappropriate to name the name of false teachers.
I asked what their senior pastor thought about that evening's Worldview Weekend Rally but was informed that the senior pastor had chosen not to attend the conference.  

Please understand that I am not going to name the church because those that attended the conference and live in the area know the church of which I speak. I am not writing this article because of some kind of personal offense but to highlight how Biblical truth has become an offense to most of America's churches.

Many such churches would claim to love truth but what they really love is a man-centered Christianity that helps them obtain success in their marriage, finances, family, and a positive attitude that produces health and a successful personal life without the pain of dying to self, picking up the Cross of Christ and being persecuted for proclaiming Truth.

II Timothy 4:3 tells us that many Christians will only want to hear what makes them feel good and appeals to their flesh; "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears."

The 2009 speakers that joined me for the Worldview Weekend Rally in Rockford, Illinois included me, Dr. Erwin Lutzer and Dr. David Reagan.

In my 2009 presentation I spoke on the topic of my book Grave Influence and I did name such Emergent Church, false teachers as Pastor Brian McLaren who has said the cross and hell is false advertising for God. I named Pastor Bill Hybels that signed the Yale document that states that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. Hybels has also had Brian McLaren at his church. I also mentioned Pastor Rick Warren who sits on the advisory board of the Tony Blair Faith Foundation that seeks to bring the religions of the world together. I also named Pastor Rob Bell who has proclaimed an abundance of heresy and who has also spoken as Bill Hybel's church. I spoke on why pagan spirituality was doubling in America every eighteen months and how many New Age practices had come into the churches of America such as "Christian" yoga and contemplative prayer. I explained how Christian could proclaim the Gospel to a postmodern culture that has become more interested in spirituality than theology. I also warned last year, as I did this year, that many churches are being compromised from within by church staff that do not adhere to the Biblical mandates and purposes of a New Testament church and are an inch deep and a mile wide in their doctrinal and theological understanding and commitment. I warned that the remnant should understand that our greatest opposition would not come from the government but from those that have the title "reverend" or "pastor" in front of their name. Click here to hear a few minutes of the presentation I presented at this church in 2009.

In 2009, Dr. Lutzer spoke on seven lessons America should learn from Nazi Germany and Dr. Reagan spoke on 50 signs we are living in the last days. All three of us used a lot of scripture to equip those in attendance to understand the times and know what God would have them to respond.

Worldview Weekend is thankful for the churches that will allow us to rent their buildings but the increasing trend is that we are being forced to rent more and more hotel ballrooms because so few churches have leaders, staff, and pastors that have clear discernment, real courage under fire, and an unwavering commitment to Biblical truth in an age of non-judgmentalism, tolerance, and Christian happy talk.

No one ever said being a watchman on the wall that warns of impending danger was going to be a popular job but if popularity is what we seek then we are not seeking to be faithful to the One we serve and thus we have failed in our calling.

Warning the church of emerging dangerous, unbiblical trends, false teachers, a false gospel, and unbiblical theology and doctrine has now become negative in the eyes of many of today's hirelings. Jesus Himself told us that we would see those that claim to be shepherds/pastors that really have little concern for the sheep. In John 10:11-13 we read:

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

Listen to this audio of Pastor John MacArthur as he explains how Jesus named the names of false teachers and how this is the job of all Biblically minded Christians and true shepherds. In this audio clip Pastor MacArthur calls out Rick Warren by name for teaching a false gospel.
Worldview Weekend will not be deterred in speaking truth no matter how unpopular it becomes with individuals or members of a church staff.

Needless to say, I was concerned how my wife would respond to this criticism since she was raised in this church. Her response revealed to me, once again, how blessed I am that God gave Melissa to me as a helpmate. Melissa's response was "why are you surprised, you knew this church was becoming increasingly liberal over the past few years. I was shocked they let Worldview Weekend return for the 2010 rally."

Melissa encouraged me to shake the dust from my shoes and go out and find a hotel ballroom. She also encouraged me to continue to bring the Worldview Weekend to Rockford because of all the people, including life-long friends, that come up to her at the resource table to express their thankfulness that Worldview Weekend returns to Rockford, IL each year.

In fact, that night, while standing behind our resource table, a medical doctor, that is a member of this church, handed my wife a letter he had written to his children after last year's Worldview Weekend in Rockford. In his letter he wrote in part:

…I attended a Worldview Weekend Rally at [name of church removed] on Sunday evening, November 22nd, and found it to be very helpful, informative, stimulating and timely."
This father went on to recommend that his children read some of the books written by the speakers.

At this point in time, all three books impress me as being coherent, credible, plausible, relevant, responsible, strategic and timely. I believe that they qualify as priority reading for serous Christian believers and church leaders who need and want to be alert to the crucial times in which we and our families are living."

This letter reveals a common response and a common problem that I have seen all across America-lay leaders that are more Biblically grounded, discerning, and committed to Biblical truth than some of their own church staff.

The Worldview Weekend in Rockford was held at another location a few years ago and has consistently had a large attendance regardless of where it is held. Thus, if you live in or near Rockford please know we will return and have already secured a hotel ballroom for the November 2011 Worldview Weekend Rally in Rockford, IL.

Let me answer the question of our article. Is it negative and unbiblical to name false teachers?  The Bible is filled with examples of Jesus and others naming false teachers by name. For example, the Apostle Paul in 2 Timothy names numerous people by name.

2 Timothy 1:15: Phygellus and Hermogenes
2 Timothy 2:17: Mymenaeus and Philetus
2 Timothy 3:8: Jannes and Jambress
2 Timothy 4:10: Demas
2 Timothy 4:14: Alexander the coppersmith

In III John 9, John named Diotrephes.  

Jesus called out the false teachers in Matthew 23 and Luke 11.

I truly believe that one reason why God allows false teachers is to provide believers with a test of whether they will be faithful in their Biblical mandate to expose false teachers and thus protect the sheep from the spiritual poison of wolves in sheep's clothing.

Ephesians 5:11 makes it clear we are to expose false teachers
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them."
 
If a shepherd/pastor will not point out the wolves that are among the sheep then this should be a clear warning to the flock that the shepherd/pastor does not have their best interest in mind. Such a hireling is not called of God but is simply involved in an occupation for personal gain as revealed in I Timothy 6:5.

In addition, such non-shepherds are revealing that they are more interested in their reputation and being seen by the larger community as tolerant and non-judgmental as defined by the unsaved world.
False teachers also give the sheep the opportunity to test the commitment of their shepherds/pastors. If the pastors/shepherds on your church staff fail this Biblical test then it is time for the leaders of the church to replace such hirelings with real shepherds. If this Biblical action is not taken, then it is time for you to find a new flock that has a shepherd that will alert the sheep to the spirituality immature and even wolves in sheep's clothing that are on his own church staff.

Show me a shepherd/pastor that will not name false teachers and I will show you a false teacher.
Pastor Jim Bublitz gives further insight into the positive results that come when we name false teachers by name:  

From those words it is clear that God allows teachers of error for the same reason as He does persecutors of His people: to test their love, to try their fidelity, to show that their loyalty to him is such that they will not give ear unto His enemies. Error has always been more popular than the Truth, for it lets down the bars and fosters fleshly indulgence, but for that very reason it is obnoxious to the godly.

The one who by grace can say "I have chosen the way of Truth" will be able to add "I have stuck unto Thy testimonies" (Psalm 119:30, 31), none being able to move him therefrom.

"For there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized." (1 Corinthians 11:19).

Committed Christians must publically name false teachers because it is impossible to privately correct public false teaching.

This fall I received an e-mail from a young lady that is a junior in high school near Atlanta, Georgia. In her e-mail she stated that because she had attended two Worldview Weekend Rallies in Atlanta and heard me expose the false teaching of emergent Pastor Rob Bell, she had been equipped to reject his false teaching when a Bible study group at her Christian school decided to read one of his books. She informed me that she immediately recognized the name of Rob Bell and remembered what I had spoken. This young lady had the courage and conviction to politely hand the book back to the group and to warn them of Bell's false teaching.

This young ladies testimony has come to my mind many times this fall and has been a real source of encouragement to me to continue to speak truth no matter how negative or offensive it may be to the non-discerning.

If I had not named the name of [b]Rob Bell
, how would this student had known to reject his book and false doctrine? If I had not named the name of Rob Bell would this student now be spiritually deceived? If I had not named Rob Bell by name would she have been able to warn her peers to this spiritual poison?

The late Pastor Vance Havner wrote, "We live what we believe; the rest is religious talk." Living what we believe includes our willingness to name the name of false teachers and to endure the criticism and persecution that will surely follow. To do any less would be treason to our calling, to our mandate, to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

When we expose false teaching and false teachers we are proclaiming and defending the authority, accuracy, and application of God's Word; the very thing that false teachers seek to undermine.  

Living what we believe requires speaking Biblical truth and Biblical warnings no matter how negative or offensive it may be to the spiritually immature, non-discerning or wolves that crept in among the sheep.

Jude 3:1-4 commands all believers to contend for the faith that is under attack from false teachers.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Truth is never negative to those who seek to serve The Truth.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
Ephesians 5:11

I have had to expose false people in pulpits.  I dont enjoy it.
However, THE SAFETY of the LAMBS demanding we EXPOSE those who lead to hell.
You did right.  Our reward is in heaven.  On earth we will be hated by most.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amen, in that group you need to add Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Coppeland, Jerry Savelle, Jesse Duplantis and many others who are lying and stealing from the poor, abusing the word of god and miussusing it to fill their pockets with the money of the desperate and poor people.

When Joyce Meyer started she was pretty good, but lately she has changed a lot, bough the hubby 5 cars, a brand new house to her kid, fancy sail boat, all with the ministry money, money that could have been used to feed the hungry and help the poor, believe me, I participated in some of her events, what goes inside is not what people see in tv.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenneth Copeland is 100% wolf - he is not even saved.

I am not so sure Joyce Meyer is a wolf.  I know she has abused some of her wealth, in my opinion, but I wouldnt call her a wolf.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mayito7777 wrote:
When she started she was pretty good, but lately she has changed a lot, bough the hubby 5 cars, a brand new house to her kid, fancy sail boat, all with the ministry money, money that could have been used to feed the hungry and help the poor, believe me, I participated in some of her events, what goes inside is not what people see in tv.


Some of these guys, like Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, Brian McLaren, Kenneth Copeland, etc...I don't think they were even saved anytime in their lifetimes, period. They've been working with the establishment from the get-go.

As for some of the others, they were probably very good Christians for a time being at one point, but they ended up selling themselves out when all was said and done. Not completely at first, but they ended up falling for Satan's carrot bait which appeared harmless initially, and as a little leaven leaveneth that whole lump, it went all downhill from there.

Remember how one of the temptations Jesus went through in the 40 days was when Satan told him he would give all the kingdoms of this world to him if he would bow down and worship him. If anything, some of these people that were once good, they fell for the carrott which was a few bucks more, and then the house came tumbling down as they saw the worldly riches right in front of their faces.

Ultimately, that's why some ending up selling out - $$$$. Look at all these megachurches that are popping up all over the country. It's because pastors are being deceived to appease their own flesh. Yes, even godly pastors are not immune to temptations. Let's not kid ourselves, so am I.
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Only 10% of Americans are saved
In Revelation chapter 3 Jesus knocks on the door of the Laodicea CHURCH - the Church wont let Him in.

To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.
I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’
But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.

I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich;
and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.

To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”
Revelation 3

The EVANGELICAL ESTABLISHMENT
extracts by Patrick McIntyre

During the last 100 years, when Evangelical Christianity was waging war for converts, certain questionable practices were overlooked.
But we're no longer the "kook fringe."  We ARE the establishment.
The frenzy of wartime mentality, characterized by wild claims of battle successes that never were, must be replaced with reasonable, honest results.
And it's time to take thought for the wounded. For every truly saved American, (the Holy Spirit lives in them)
there are at least 6 more that have said a salvation prayer and think they're saved as the result. (but are not)

Many of these gave up on God and are now the cynical, "I tried that before" sinners that call people who go to church hypocrites.
These are the most vocal haters of true Christianity. Their hatred is fueled by a dream that proved to be in their case, only a nightmare.

Tares in the Churches

If less than 10% of Americans are saved, then over half the people who go to church on Sunday are horribly deceived.
Every poll church study shows what every evangelist and pastor knows:  The majority of people who go to church in America are the moral equivalent of heathen.

Bill Bright said, "...many who call themselves Christians are not really Biblical Christians at all.
Although they may be religious people who attend church regularly, they have never experienced the new birth and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ."

Dr. Rod Bell, president of the Fundamentalist Baptist Fellowship of America, believes 50% of people that go to church are lost.

Evangelist Luis Palau said of the 80% of Americans who claim to be Christian,
"few live any differently from pagans or atheists, as though God has no claim on their lives."

Dr. James Dobson admitted that, "The majority of Americans are dabbling in religious expression that has no substance."

A.W. Tozer said "probably less than one out of ten evangelicals knows anything experientially about the new birth."

While church leaders all acknowledge the problem, most think evangelical Christians live like heathen because of a lack of sanctification.
Instead of trying to get them saved so they'll be changed by the Holy Spirit, we try to get them to act like Christians.
After 100 years, winds of doctrine have effectively buried the Bible teaching of holistic salvation.
Forensic or legalsalvation has been exalted above experiential salvation to the point where the landmarks of power over sin and
the workings of the Holy Spirit are buried like treasure, waiting to be exposed.

The Evangelical church is at the same point the Catholic church was when Luther brought reformation.
Like that reformation, this reformation will require a return to a Biblical understanding of holistic salvation.
We need to stop putting a "salvation prayer" Band-Aid on cancer and telling people they're healed.
Like Luther, we have to return to a Biblical understanding of saving faith.
Like Luther, we need to acknowledge that, "he who has been made righteous does works of righteousness."

Just as Luther unmasked the deceptive practice of indulgences, we must unmask the deceptive practice of leading people in a formula "salvation prayer."
"When the penny drops, a soul is released from Purgatory" was almost as harmful as, "when you sincerely repeat this prayer, your name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life."
The first practice gave sinners the confidence that their friends and relatives could buy their way out of Purgatory. (There is no purgatory, that is a money-grubbing RCC LIE.)
The second statement offers the sinner no-fault insurance from Hell.

Most people who attend Evangelical churches ignore the "small print" and go right to the bottom line:
Because they said a salvation prayer, God doesn't see their sin...they're covered by the blood of Christ. So they can go on sinning without the fear of God.
In fact, most are taught there's nothing they can do that will disqualify their free ticket to heaven. "What shall we say then?
Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?" Rom 6:1 Yes, says modern evangelism.
"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" James 2:20 No, says modern evangelism.
Faith without works is normal for most American Evangelical Christians.

There is no longer a need for showing forth the fruits of repentance, (Mattew 7:1Cool or making your election sure. (1 Peter 1:10)
A youth pastor I know told a group of mostly lost teens, if they committed suicide, they'd still go to heaven.
What kind of distorted theology would cause a minister to say such a thing to a group of teens most of which had no evidence of being saved?
This is the result of the scandal of modern evangelism. We have become arrogant with the Scriptures,"
in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."  2 Peter 3:16

"God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?"
Rom 6:2-3.

No Evangelical evangelist or pastor before 1900 would have looked at the condition of people who go to church today and
concluded their carnality was the result of "lack of sanctification." They would accurately conclude that the vast majority were never saved.
The next question they would ask is, "why do they think they're saved?"
The answer is the scandal of modern evangelism.

Revival Or Irrelevance
The Evangelical establishment has a choice to make. Either recognize that churches are full of heathen,
and try to make them into saints, or become as irrelevant as most European churches.
Either return to God's way - complete transformation of the individual by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit,
or continue throwing precious resources into worldly social reforms, becoming just another welfare program.

SOURCE - 'The Evangelical Establishment' by Patrick McIntyre
http://www.christianebooks.com
http://www.JohntheBaptistTV.com

CARNAL christians are LOST
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont know how realiable is this link, but if this is true it gives a real perspective of how corrupted many of the ministries have become

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele-evangelist_lifestyles.html
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mayito7777 wrote:
Dont know how realiable is this link, but if this is true it gives a real perspective of how corrupted many of the ministries have become

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele-evangelist_lifestyles.html


The whole 501c3 status since the 1950's has pretty much opened the doorways to destruction, IMHO. In exchange for allowing their congregations to deduct offerings on their 1040s, they have to follow a ton of IRS rules that are anti-God, anti-biblical, etc. And it has nothing to do over not being allowed to endorse whatever political candidate.(ie-they have to recognize the IRS as the one creating their church, and NOT Jesus Christ)

The IRS also happens to be under the wings of the draconian United Nations.

As for being allowed to deduct offerings from your taxes, didn't Jesus say when thou givest alms, don't let your left hand know what your right hand does? And if you give offerings hoping for a nice tax rebate the following year, aren't you appeasing your own flesh more than pleasing the Lord?

So ultimately, these 501c3 churches are pretty much helping the UN et al with their draconian agendas, even though they may not be aware of it.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:51 am    Post subject: atn Reply with quote

The atn forum has more insanity and false prophecy.  That mod bans Christians but lets the false reign.
I believe he is an enemy agent to fool the Bride, and sadly there are lambs cavorting in his poison pasture.  Sad

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